*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 290

So I am trying to figure out why my 1909 does not display "MULTI CH IN" when I have my PS3 playing a BD like The Dark Knight w/ Dolby TrueHD track selected. Do you only get this "MULTI CH IN" with surround speakers connected? Currently I have my front 3 and Sub connected. I've setup the PS3 to output via LPCM as per the PS3 FAQ and reading the front page of this thread says to hit the "DIRECT" button on the Denon remote to disable any surround modes/processing or whatever. But....

where the heck is this "DIRECT" button?

Am I blind? lol

EDIT: Ok, so I had given up on this for the evening and had my PS3 just sitting on the menu. After 5-10 mins I looked up and the Denon now displays MULTI CH IN! Now I'm afraid to change anything, haha.

acurax

Turn remote over, on the back of remote D/ST button and enter (page 7 and 45).

Nope. Keep in mind that the MULT CH IN identifies the signal coming IN to the Denon so it doesn't matter what speakers are connected. While playing the actual movie you should always see it; however, most likely not when playing other parts of the BD (like Director's interview, sneak previews, etc.). Also, there's no reason for you to use DIRECT mode either unless you prefer it that way.

acurax -- I explain "DIRECT" modes well in the audio section of my FAQ, you should only use them (either standard 2ch DIRECT or MULTICH DIRECT) if your speakers can handle full range, because there is no bass management. On Denons you generally want to stick to the "STANDARD" decoding mode (Standard or "STD" button on the remote).

After the calibration how can i see the settings, crossover and levels of the sub. and speakers?
Check parameteres don`t show nothing.

thanks

In addition to checking out the Manual Setup settings, I would suggest you spend some time going through all the menu settings so you can better familiarize yourself with what they are.

Thanks guys for the responses. I got it all sorted out now--wasn't comprehending the FAQ very clearly the other evening .

This thread & batpig's FAQ have been a tremendous help to me. Loving this Denon!

Can someone help-me ? The auto setup don`t do the step 4 ( check).
Do you think it is a firmware problem of the receiver?

thanks

We should rule out "user error" first. The navigation is a little tricky; pay attention to the arrows, down arrow to what you want to check, then select with Enter.

Thanks for your reply; when i select, for example, "crossover freq. check" it display "crossover freq. check" but no value for this freq..
I think it is not normal.

I would call Denon product support and have them walk me through it to see if it's a defective unit. I could suggest several other steps (reset microprocessor, redo autosetup, etc.,) but I think that will get you to the help you need most quickly.
Or we can put up the batsignal...

VERY normal and there is nothing wrong with your AVR...You just haven't gone into the right menu far enough...I just went thru this myself...Just start going down the menu list 1 item at a time...

Well I would like to know the frequency of cutting, but since I can`t, think I have to live with it and trust the audyssey settings.

thanks for the replys

Hello everyone,

I had purchased a system with Denon AVR-1909 and Def Tech Mythos speaker system after getting your guys input and have been very happy with the performance of the system. In my system, all components (cable box, PS3) go to the receiver and there is a single HDMI cable out for the Video to the TV.

I hit a snag yesterday when I tried to connect my son's toy laptop, Vtech Double Vision Notebook (http://www.amazon.com/VTech-80-07250...8735401&sr=8-1).

After repeated attemps, I have not been able to successfully connect this laptop.

Would appreciate any inputs you may have specifically regarding any particular set up needed with the V.AUX input.

Thanks in advance!

for some reason when i got home last night i could not get my denon to show any picture or sound via HDMI from my PS3 or Directv box. when i go into the Denon menu it comes up on my monitor but nothing from either source system via HDMI. everything else works and when i bypass the denon and go straight HDMI to the monitor it works fine. its almost like the "input" side of my HDMI on the denon just went out. put the output side is still working. is there a setting on the reciever that i might have screwed up and didnt know about it? i checked the assignments and they still show up as correct. its almost like i need to reboot my reciever but i dont know how....

anyone got some ideas?

Test out the other HDMI port (wichever of the two you aren't using), simply reassign it to one of your inputs.. just to rule things out.

You may have to do a microprocessor reset, make sure to write down important settings that you don't want to lose.

Music Playback,

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I am having trouble searching for my issue.

I use airtunes to play music from my laptop. I have the 1909. I have a y-cable connected to the airtunes, and then a pair of rcas connected to the y-cable. I have the rcas plugged into the CD analog input.

I noticed that when I play music through the airtunes, my 5.1 channel setup is not picking up all of the instruments that are playing. For example, I was listening to a song that has steel drums in the background, which I can hear when I playing music in my car or listening with my headphones, but when I play it through the denon, I do not hear any drums.

I played around with the audissey settings, dynamic volume, and the different modes (stereo, 5 channel stereo, etc.), but that did not fix the problem. I noticed this on different songs as well.

Thanks to anyone who has any suggestions or insight

Bat,
yea, i am using two of the three inputs (PS3 and Directv) and tried moving the PS3 to the unused one. i have also tried doing the processor reboot and it didnt correct the problem. i rebuilt the assignments after the reboot and the reciever looks like it tries to handshake with the other boxes but it wont do it. what is really weird though is the HDMI output IS working because when i enter the setup it shows up on the monitor...

Sounds like you are using a mono Y cable or patch cord...Get a stereo cable...

You are right, it is a mono cable (i.e., one video and one audio). So would a stereo cable solve this problem (i.e., one video and two audio prongs)?

Thanks!

So, my Denon AVR-1909 has been killing drivers in my eD A5-350. I'm currently using Audyssey Multi-EQ and Dynamic Volume. I have manually set the subwoofer channel to 0. The crossover on the sub is set to max as to rely on the receivers settings and the phase is set to 0. I run the volume between 50 and 75% on the sub. This is the second sub driver that has been destroyed through damaged spider suspension caused by over excursion. I listed to Blu-ray movies via HDMI from my Panasonic BD-55 at -10dB from reference (0) on my Denon. Any suggestions on settings to keep from destroying sub drivers. The amp in the sub has a built-in subsonic filter, so it shouldn't be creating clipped signal, but it will accept a clipped signal as an input. Is my only recourse to decrease the sub channel level to -6 or something lower than 0? Any suggested settings or anyone that's had similar issues?

Also, all speaker/sub crossover/low pass filter settings are set to 60Hz or 80Hz.

eD's thought was that Audyssey may be overboosting frequencies that are at the limits of my subs ability (Frequency Response (+/-3dB) - 18-100Hz).

Sub specs:
Driver Size 15"
Driver Quantity 1
Driver Excursion 23mm
Total Driver Linear Displacement 3331.04cm³
Room Tuning 20Hz
Frequency Response (+/-3dB) 18-100Hz
Amplifier RMS Power 500W
Cabinet Type Vented
Shipping Weight 108 lbs
Internal Size 4.70ft³
External Size 6.37ft³
Width 19.00"
Height 25.00"
Depth 24.75"
Vent Size 2 x 4"
Amplifier Voltage 115
Included Crossover Yes
Crossover Frequencies 35-180Hz
Phase Switch Yes
Line Level Input Yes
RCA Level Input Yes
Level Control Yes

Well I was talking about mcolts problem to be honest...

But for your issue it sounds like you just need to have the V. AUX setup correctly in the 1909 itself and/or make sure the Y cable you are using is connected to a Video.Audio combined output jack on the V Tech...If it is a combo jack on the V Tech you will need a stereo Y plug...Regardless you should be able to get at least audio I would imagine or just video...One or the other but not both...V tech may also have the prober adapter cable available...But it is one of the 3 problems I listed I am confident...

The Denon is not destroying the driver...You need to lower the volume of the sub to no higher than 50% and set the sub level in the Denon lower than 0...-6 would be too much in my opinion but -2 sounds like a good starting point...Also make sure the sub crossover in the Denon is no higher than 100Hz...

These are the best suggestions I can offer you...That or your sub amp is bad and pushing too hard but that would be the last thing I would think of it being...

why did you manually set the sub channel to "0" in the receiver? what did Audyssey set it at during Auto Setup?

setting it to -6 or +4 is irrelevant, it's simply a digital gain setting, that when combined with the amp gain on your sub produces a specific volume output.

the question is, what is the combined total output of the digital gain and the amp gain?

my bet is that YOU are killing the drivers by way overboosting the sub. But before I jump to conclusions, can you explain why you set the channel level for the sub to "0"?

They make Y cords in mono and stereo?

I do not know if you know what airtunes is, but my itunes on my laptop sends music wirelessly to the airport express(like a wireless modem). The modem has two different outputs. 1. is an optical output(which I could not find a cord that has a digital optical end and an analog RCA end). 2. The other is like a headphone jack. I used option 2 to hook up to my Denon.

So to get the best stereo sound going to my denon, what type of cord do you recommend getting in my situation.

Thanks

The connection on VTech is combo jack, however the supplied cable is mono (i.e., one video and one audio). Looks like I need to get a stereo cable. Is there anything specific about V.AUX setup? I had set up all other connections without any problems, am I missing something here?

Thanks again for the help.

A STEREO Y cable is what you need...Different instruments are recorded on different channels...It sounds like the drums are recorded on the opposite channel that you are hearing...

There are no such cables that are optical on 1 end and RCA on the other...There are however converter boxes that will make the conversion from optical to analog...Start Googling...

Well...it is a mono audio but technically a stereo plug...Instead of a left AND right channel it is (usually) left AND video...

The best way for you to check is to take a known connected and working device like a DVD player and connect via the V. AUX and see if it works...I suspect the setup setting is just wrong and that is your problem...Unlikely but you may want to check the V tech manual to see if there is a switch to send the audio/video out the combo jack...But I doubt it does...

for the Airport Express you should be using a DIGITAL connection, that is one of the biggest advantages of using it.

Splicer -- he actually doesn't need an A/D converter, the Airport Express has a digital output. Apple's (both on laptops, Mac Mini's, Airport Express) use a combined analog/digital 3.5mm headphone jack. You just need the proper adapter (3.5mm > toslink) and then you can use a standard optical cable.

Here is one that will work:
http://www.amazon.com/GRIFFIN-TECHNO.../dp/B0007PL4AS



No, there is nothing special about it, you just need to select "V.AUX" as the input source and plug into the front.

The only thing to be wary of is if you have assigned an HD source to the "V.AUX" name using the inputs on the back. The "V.AUX" name will then be shared between some inputs on the rear and the front. If so, you need to make sure whatever device is plugged into the back and assigned to V.AUX is OFF, and that Input Mode is "Auto", and then the Denon should sense the analog audio input from the front.

Audyssey initially set the sub channel level to +6.5 which is the setting at which the suspension on my first sub was destroyed, so upon replacing the driver I actually reduced the channel level to 0. It's not like I'm trying to manually crank the channel levels in the receiver to their limits. I simply initially went with the Audyssey proposed setting of +6.5 which I did not come up w/ and then after having to replace a driver for over excursion I reduced the gain in the receiver and adjusted it on the sub per eD's recommendations. It's like Audyssey is boosting the heck out of frequencies at the limit of my sub's ability and doing this outside of the visible settings as none of the crossover settings or channel levels look out of place. Seemingly my only resort is to set a negative channel level value like -6 for the sub and turn the volume on the sub amp to max. It seems like the signal is clipping at some point. It's just that there's no easy where to figure out where or when. Maybe you could shed some light on the matter as the horrible Denon manual plus the Audyssey voodoo are probably making this more complex than it should be. I did follow both your guide and the Audyssey Setup guide to the letter and right now I'm thinking disabling Audyssey might be the way to go if it keeps my receiver from chewing through sub drivers. If that's the case, it takes away the main selling point for the receiver that I currently have. I'm sorry if any of this came out as me being critical of your response. I'm very appreciative. I'm just frustrated. When you research and follow all the FAQs and guides available only to have to replace a 15" driver, you don't want replacing drivers to become a regular event.