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post #421 of 662
Silly question,but could someone please clarify if the new Dolby and DTS HD codecs are 7.1 channel only,or I can also decode them with the appropriate player and a 5.1 speaker/ preamp setup(Integra 9.8)?
Thks
post #422 of 662
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Originally Posted by mnahmia View Post

Silly question,but could someone please clarify if the new Dolby and DTS HD codecs are 7.1 channel only,or I can also decode them with the appropriate player and a 5.1 speaker/ preamp setup(Integra 9.8)?
Thks

Any multichannel codec is "up to" x.x channels, but the actual number of channels will depend on the program material: it can be anything from 1.0 to 4.0 to 5.1 to 7.1 or whatever. But that doesn't answer your question.

Most Blu-ray discs are still 5.1. But you can configure your player (it will usually configure itself if connected to the receiver via HDMI) for the actual array of speakers you have. 7.1 material will be downmixed to 5.1 (the surround and rear surround shcannels combined) and sent to your receiver, if that's how the receiver identifies itself. You can also do this manually, of course, when you set up the player.
post #423 of 662
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Originally Posted by mnahmia View Post

Silly question,but could someone please clarify if the new Dolby and DTS HD codecs are 7.1 channel only,or I can also decode them with the appropriate player and a 5.1 speaker/ preamp setup(Integra 9.8)?
Thks

Hi,

To put your question in perspective, currently Blu-raystats.com lists a total of 1,099 Blu-ray discs.

So far, no Dolby TrueHD 7.1 are listed, even though the codec supports 7.1.

There are 44 DTS-MA 7.1 discs listed.

When connected via HDMI the 44 DTS-MA 7.1 discs can be decoded in the player and sent as PCM to your Integra, or sent as bitstream from the player and decoded in your Integra. In either case, the the 7.1 signal would be downmixed to 5.1 after telling your Integra that you have a 5.1 configuration.

I can't speak for all Blu-ray players, but in my Panasonic DMP-BD55, it is not possible to set the speaker configuration in the player when connected via HDMI. This is not a problem since in your case this would simply be done in the Integra.

For analog audio connections the BD55 does have settings which permit downmixing to 5.1 and/or selecting the number of active speakers in the player. However, this is a connection you are not likely to use when connecting a Blu-ray player since the Integra has HDMI. I merely mention analog audio in the interest of completeness.

When decoded in your player to PCM, depending on how you setup your player, you may send either lossy or lossless audio to the Integra. This depends on whether you enable secondary audio in the player or not.

Larry
post #424 of 662
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

So far, no Dolby TrueHD 7.1 are listed, even though the codec supports 7.1.

Nightmare Before Christmas BD is Dolby TrueHD 7.1:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1207...christmas.html

It is the only one I know of that is 7.1.
post #425 of 662
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Nightmare Before Christmas BD is Dolby TrueHD 7.1:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1207...christmas.html

It is the only one I know of that is 7.1.

Hi,

Yes, thanks for the correction.

Larry
post #426 of 662
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Originally Posted by Jrunr View Post

Does anyone have any info on the new Marantz BD 7003?

How does that stack up?

I'm waiting to get a loaner from my local Marantz dealer. It doesn't do DTS-HD Master Audio so you would need a receiver with a decoder. I have one so that's not a big deal. I want to test this player against my Sony BDP-S350 now that I have a 1080p projector.
post #427 of 662
Thks to all for the clarifications!
Do all Blu Ray players have a secondary audio option in their menu?
If I understood correctly i.e 7.1 DTS Master audio would be converted to 5.1 lossless if my preamp is doing the decoding?Do I effectively the get 5.1 DTS Master audio?
post #428 of 662
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Originally Posted by mnahmia View Post

Thks to all for the clarifications!
Do all Blu Ray players have a secondary audio option in their menu?
If I understood correctly i.e 7.1 DTS Master audio would be converted to 5.1 lossless if my preamp is doing the decoding?Do I effectively the get 5.1 DTS Master audio?

Hi,

I believe that all profile 1.1 and 2.0 players support secondary audio, and the original profile 1.0 players do not support it.

Not all Blu-ray players handle DTS Master audio the same way. Some don't handle it at all, some just permit bitstreaming to a suitable AVR/prepro, some just decode it in the player to PCM, some decode to PCM and bitstream. Consult the chart in the first posting on this thread.

My Panasonic DMP-BD55 can decode in the player or bitstream. In either case, when connected over HDMI the AVR/Prepro would downmix to 5.1 based on the configuration you setup.

When decoding in the player (PCM) secondary audio would have to be set to OFF to ensure that playback was lossless. In the case of bitstream there can be no secondary audio so lossless 5.1 is assured.

Larry
post #429 of 662
Sorry, but what is "secondary audio?"

Thanks
post #430 of 662
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Sorry, but what is "secondary audio?"

Thanks

Hi,

Secondary audio is supplementary audio that can be superimposed over, and played along with the movie's audio.

Examples are menu clicks or noises, director commentaries, sounds associated with Picture In a Picture, etc.

Larry
post #431 of 662
Got it.

Thanks, Larry
post #432 of 662
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Originally Posted by mnahmia View Post

Do all Blu Ray players have a secondary audio option in their menu?

Yes, I believe so.

EDIT: Correction - Profile 1.0 players may not support secondary audio.

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If I understood correctly i.e 7.1 DTS Master audio would be converted to 5.1 lossless if my preamp is doing the decoding?Do I effectively the get 5.1 DTS Master audio?

You should check your receiver manual for information about how it handles decoding. But, in general, yes, your processor will do any downmixing of 7.1 content if you have configured your system as 5.1. The output is still lossless. Soundtracks contain metadata for various mixes - 7.1, 5.1, 3.1, stereo. The quality is the same on all of them. There are simply different numbers of channels. There aren't many 7.1 discs, though. Theatrical releases are mixed in 5.1, as are most home releases.
post #433 of 662
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Originally Posted by mnahmia View Post

Do all Blu Ray players have a secondary audio option in their menu?

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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Yes, I believe so.

Hi Peter,

I don't believe that profile 1.0 players support secondary audio. Secondary audio decoders are optional in profile 1.0 and mandatory in profiles 1.1 and 2.0.

Larry
post #434 of 662
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

I don't believe that profile 1.0 players support secondary audio. Secondary audio decoders are optional in profile 1.0 and mandatory in profiles 1.1 and 2.0.

Oops. That's right. If you are considering a Profile 1.0 player, check the specs for secondary audio support.
post #435 of 662
Not sure who is the handler of the chart, but we should include to Memorex MVBD-2511.

Includes 7.1 analog outs, not just 5.1 like the other memorex 2510 does, decodes all HD audio except DTS-HD MA. Looks like it might be the best value choice for those with legacy audio AVRs.

http://www.memorex.com/products/prod...0748&FID=50113
post #436 of 662
dvdchance, you should be able to edit the document yourself. http://snurl.com/brpascc-editable

I also now see the ElementTM EDBCO11 @ Amazon. Anyone have any more stats?
post #437 of 662
I have a little issue with my Blu ray player (Samsung BDP-1500) and am hoping you guys can help me. I have a Poineer Elite vsx-82TXS receiver. When i set my Sammy to PCM audio and turn downsampling off the signal is still 48khz PCM. My amp supports 96 khz PCM audio. I also have a Toshiba A2 connected and the amp picks up the PCM 96 KHZ signal no problem. Both devices are connected via hdmi only. Any suggestions??? Any help would be appreciated and have a happy New Year!!
post #438 of 662
I see that Samsung BDP-2550 firmware 2.3 was just released can anyone confirm if DTS Master audio is now working for this player?
post #439 of 662
I am trying out a Panasonic BMP-BP55 the secondary audio function on it down converts DTS master audio and Dobly True HD. To DTS 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1 for older AVR's that don't support the higher bit rate involved (turn it off if your AVR produces sound leave it off while AVR might not support the actual formats the higher bitrates of the formats will produce better quality sound than leaving Secondary audio on). Love the Panasonic great sound great video no complaint's but 100 more than Samsung locally want to know whether it is worth cost.
post #440 of 662
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bokko View Post

I am trying out a Panasonic BMP-BP55 the secondary audio function on it down converts DTS master audio and Dobly True HD. To DTS 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1 for older AVR's that don't support the higher bit rate involved (turn it off if your AVR produces sound leave it off while AVR might not support the actual formats the higher bitrates of the formats will produce better quality sound than leaving Secondary audio on). Love the Panasonic great sound great video no complaint's but 100 more than Samsung locally want to know whether it is worth cost.

I would stick with the Panasonic. Heard positive reports from current owners. Another option is the Pioneer 51FD. I think the price has dropped since it's release in September.
post #441 of 662
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Originally Posted by bokko View Post

I am trying out a Panasonic BMP-BP55 the secondary audio function on it down converts DTS master audio and Dobly True HD. To DTS 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1 for older AVR's that don't support the higher bit rate involved (turn it off if your AVR produces sound leave it off while AVR might not support the actual formats the higher bitrates of the formats will produce better quality sound than leaving Secondary audio on).

I don't understand what you are saying about secondary audio. Can you clarify?

Also, a question about the contents of a firmware update for a particular player will likely get answered much faster in the owners' thread. In fact, I'm sure you can find the answer there without even needing to ask.
post #442 of 662
I want to get into bluray and I was wondering if all players do 5.1 the way the my current std. pioneer dvd player does thru optical. I was looking at the audio chart and it looks like some players just do 2.0 even though they all have optical, I had bought a blu player and never got 5.1 set up right so i returned it until i could get educated. Hope someone can help.
post #443 of 662
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Originally Posted by craig748 View Post

I want to get into bluray and I was wondering if all players do 5.1 the way the my current std. pioneer dvd player does thru optical. I was looking at the audio chart and it looks like some players just do 2.0 even though they all have optical, I had bought a blu player and never got 5.1 set up right so i returned it until i could get educated. Hope someone can help.

Yes, they do. Set the player to bitstream, the same as you would with a DVD player, and it will send a DD or DTS track to your receiver for decoding. If you select a TrueHD or dts-MA track on the disc, the player will send a DD or DTS version that your receiver can decode, the same as it does with DVDs.
post #444 of 662
Thank you very much, that was informative.
post #445 of 662
Well, another 6th has come, so our comparison charts have reached another month-iversary!

It seems like the world-editable version of the chart has been well-received. Thanks to all who have contributed and corrected information to that chart.

So, what's new for January?

I just made some edits to both the editable and read-only versions of the chart on GoogleDocs. While the edits are mostly minor, the one big change is that the read-only chart is now current with the editable chart as of today. I know, I could simply drop the read-only version, but I'm not ready to make that move just yet. Unfortunately, it seems that I have to manually copy/re-create the contents of the world-editable chart into the read-only instance. Yes, I know what feature GoogleDocs should add next!

I fully realize that we may get a barrage of information from CES in the coming days. Feel free to plug in every little nugget you get into the chart!

Finally, links to both charts should be in my signature below.

-SUO
post #446 of 662
Pardon in advance for this extremely basic question, but in the Blu-ray player comparison chart (post #1), I am unsure of the meaning of the "stream/decode/complete" legend values listed for the various codecs.

Is it:
stream = the player does not do the decoding but simply streams the signal to the a/v processor/receiver for decoding;

decode = the player does the decoding and there is no bypass, so if you simply want the processor/receiver to do all the decoding, you can't;

complete = you can select whether you want the player to decode or simply stream.

??? I'm prepared for the possibility that I've gone 0 for 3 in interpreting this. Thanks in advance for clearing this up.
post #447 of 662
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Originally Posted by Mike W View Post

??? I'm prepared for the possibility that I've gone 0 for 3 in interpreting this.

3 for 3.
post #448 of 662
Guess what! Samsung 2500/2550 can now decode all codecs with yesterdays firmware upgrade 2.4!
post #449 of 662
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

3 for 3.

Thanks BIslander. I should be so lucky in the lottery (guess I'd have to play, first).
post #450 of 662
Gentlemen question,

On the chart on the front page of this forum, are the PS3 spec's up to date, even with the recent HD audio firmware v2.30 update?
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