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post #601 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

So far it sounds like all is good, however I did mention that my DLP is not 1080p but rather 720p native? I have been reading since my post and stumbled on a thread that stated if your not using a 1080p TV it would be a waste to go BR? I feel this is bad info for most other posts have said the upgraded DVD PQ is very good with many players.

I have a 720p plasma (768p, actually) and the picture quality is great. I wish I had a 1080p projector and a 100" screen. But, BD is still well worth it on my current display.

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So this is a specific cable that goes 6 from the BRP to one optical at the AVR?

No. Optical (a digital connection) isn't involved at all. The player does the digital to analog conversion to produce six channels of analog audio. You run one simple analog cable from each speaker output on the player to the matching speaker input on the receiver. Six separate cables- one for each channel. Or, you can use two sets of component video cables or three pairs of analog stereo cables. There's nothing fancy or tricky involved.

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So what your saying is they finally got it right?

I suppose. It's all about space. Lossy DD 5.1 and DTS are highly compressed because that what had to be done so that a multichannel sound track will fit on a film strip or in the small area allocated for audio on a DVD. Blu-rays have a lot more space and can accomodate less compressed files. Bigger ones, in other words.
post #602 of 662
Thanks for saving me some time BIslander. What you guys do here is appreciated by many!
While I still have so much research to do before I grab a player, I have a decent idea of what to look for.
It sounds like the HDMI 3.1 is simply an upgraded cable with the ability to carry the new codecs, or is it equipment and cable upgrades? If so will I fall short on PQ/SQ because of older equipment not designed with HDMI 3.1?
post #603 of 662
LOL the guy at Magnolia just told me that by connecting through the 7.1 option I wouldn't get the lossless DTS HD and True HD. I also noticed that some of the players I am looking at are 2.0 profile 1.1 and 1.0 Not sure what this means yet?
post #604 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

LOL the guy at Magnolia just told me that by connecting through the 7.1 option I wouldn't get the lossless DTS HD and True HD.

He's wrong. The 320 decodes these lossless codecs into analog and sends them to your receiver for your listening pleasure. You WILL lose the lossless codecs if you connect the 320 to your receiver with an optical hookup. Instead, you get the lossy version of the audio being sent to your receiver.
post #605 of 662
A Best Buy salesman with bad information? Shocking.

The analog output is determined by the codec the player decodes to produce the output. If the player decodes lossless, and most do these days, then you get HD audio from the analog outputs.
post #606 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

LOL the guy at Magnolia just told me that by connecting through the 7.1 option I wouldn't get the lossless DTS HD and True HD. I also noticed that some of the players I am looking at are 2.0 profile 1.1 and 1.0 Not sure what this means yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray...layer_profiles

-Bill
post #607 of 662
I am limited to BB for the family shoved BB gift cards at me. I guess they want a BR that bad! I always found it nearly impossible to compare A/V equipment in stores, for the conditions were never the same,source material was diff. ect, and most importantly it all will sound different in my house. Blu Ray seems to be the same. I can't possibly hope to do that. If I don't like it it's going back.
So I know I need a BRP that converts analog , and from what Iv'e read it is worth the $$$ to go with ABT VRS processing and upscaling. The Burr- Brown title seems to be better.
Part of me wants to go get the 320 for it ranks so high on Winstons chart next to the OPPO. But theres this Yamaha BDS-2900 sitting there for $499, when the Yam. site says it's $1200 currently? I can't seem to find anyone yet that has reviewed it?
then there is the Den 2010. Winston gave high marks to but its pricey?
Any advice on the Yamaha, I did notice it looks like only 5.1
post #608 of 662
I went with the pioneer 320, from what Ive read here and the questions answered, it seems to be a solid choice for a 1st BRP. If I don't get the PQ/AQ I can take it back, and try another. However being a BluRay noob I should be happy.

BTW not to stray of topic, Can I really just use the skinny R/W RCA cables stored away in my A/V bin for the last 10 yrs.?
post #609 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

BTW not to stray of topic, Can I really just use the skinny R/W RCA cables stored away in my A/V bin for the last 10 yrs.?

To connect your blu ray player you will want to use an HDMI cable only.
post #610 of 662
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Originally Posted by slogun View Post

To connect your blu ray player you will want to use an HDMI cable only.


To clarify;I was refering to the analog output on the BRP to the non HDMI AVR.
post #611 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

Can I really just use the skinny R/W RCA cables stored away in my A/V bin for the last 10 yrs.?

Sure. It's never a good idea to use poorly constructed cables. But, any reasonably made cable will work just fine. This is standard analog audio.
post #612 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spinal Tap View Post

BTW not to stray of topic, Can I really just use the skinny R/W RCA cables stored away in my A/V bin for the last 10 yrs.?

As long as the cables are mechanically sound, for short runs they will work fine. Obviously you will need 4 pairs for 7.1. For permanent installation I would personally opt for somewhat more robust cables (Monoprice has good ones for <$3/pair) with connectors that are more corrosion-resistant and less likely to part from the wire if accidentally stressed, but the sound won't change.
post #613 of 662
I've started adding models announced at CES. Please feel free to update and verify.

-SUO
post #614 of 662
Just tested an HP BD-2000 from Costco. It definitely bitstreams the HD codecs, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.

I haven't had the chance to test if it decodes them.
post #615 of 662
They're not yet available for testing, but the new LG BD570/BD590 only have 2-channel analog audio outputs--no 7.1 as in the BD390.
post #616 of 662
Updated and archived.

-SUO
post #617 of 662
Um.. I take it not all BP have old fashioned 2 channel audio output? Is the output configurable in the menu structure for standard stereo or do I need to be careful what I buy? No surround sound and will need to use good old analog stereo connections... looking at the chart some do and some don't have that ability if I read it correctly.
Oh one other question.. Can the BP be set to output 720p or does my display device have to do the scaling?
post #618 of 662
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Um.. I take it not all BP have old fashioned 2 channel audio output? Is the output configurable in the menu structure for standard stereo or do I need to be careful what I buy? No surround sound and will need to use good old analog stereo connections... looking at the chart some do and some don't have that ability if I read it correctly.
Oh one other question.. Can the BP be set to output 720p or does my display device have to do the scaling?

I'm learning not to make blanket statements, but I've never seen a BD player that didn't have analog stereo out. Occasionally a player will have multichannel analog audio output, but then yes, it's configurable for 2-channel.

It's always a good idea to check in the individual player's Owners Thread to confirm specific features before you buy. Same for 720p: I've never seen a player that didn't have the standard range of resolution options from 480i through 1080p. You can also usually download the owner's manual for any curent player you're considering.
post #619 of 662
Thanks for the fast response!
post #620 of 662
So compliacted.I cant find the feeling for digrams=_=
post #621 of 662
Updated and archived. I added a 3D column.

I haven't been paying much attention. Does having 3D imply Profile 5.0 (which I've seen mentioned a few times)?

-SUO
post #622 of 662
Thread Starter 
Post #1 updated to reflect current chart...
post #623 of 662
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

I'm learning not to make blanket statements, but I've never seen a BD player that didn't have analog stereo out. Occasionally a player will have multichannel analog audio output, but then yes, it's configurable for 2-channel.

The chart lists numerous BD players that have NO analog audio outputs at all. Example Pioneer BDP-120.
post #624 of 662
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

The chart lists numerous BD players that have NO analog audio outputs at all. Example Pioneer BDP-120.

The white fields in the chart simply indicate "no information," I believe. When a feature is confirmed lacking, it says "N/A."

That Pioneer does in fact have analog stereo audio outputs.
post #625 of 662
Would like to request adding the samsung 1590 to the list... I believe its essentially a clone of the 1600 series.
post #626 of 662
Can someone explain the difference between decoding, bitstream, and complete on the chart?
post #627 of 662
postalboy,

Go to the link for the editable doc and then hover your mouse over the little orange triangle in the column heading for what you want info in just like it says in the bright yellow highlighted portion.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...0LbPOMQ#gid=11

Regards,
Jeff
post #628 of 662
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Originally Posted by postalboy View Post

Can someone explain the difference between decoding, bitstream, and complete on the chart?

See this post from the Official Blu-Ray Player Audio Setup Thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15289437

-Bill
post #629 of 662
Do you still need the analog audio output on a BD player?

Are they still there for regular DVD that aren't TrueHD or Master-HD?

I guess if you want very good sound from the analog outputs, you need to get a high-end BD player like OPPO or etc?

From what I read, there is not much of a difference in sound quality between players if you use the digital output and lossless formats via HDMI.

Is that right?


Thanks for your time,

Intravino
post #630 of 662
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Originally Posted by intravino View Post

Do you still need the analog audio output on a BD player?

Are they still there for regular DVD that aren't TrueHD or Master-HD?

I guess if you want very good sound from the analog outputs, you need to get a high-end BD player like OPPO or etc?

From what I read, there is not much of a difference in sound quality between players if you use the digital output and lossless formats via HDMI.

Is that right?

They're there for people with good AVRs or pre/pros that don't have HDMI, so they can still get lossless audio. It has nothing to do with SD DVD vs Blu-ray.

Otherwise, yes, HDMI renders the analog outputs obsolete except, perhaps, in the rare situation that a player (Oppo BDP-83SE for example) has better DACs than your processor, and you think using them yields an audible improvement.
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