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post #301 of 7061
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For all of those that have been selected to be Public Beta testers that do not plan on returning their agreements, please let me know so that we can extend the offer to someone else that is interested.

If you have questions or concerns, please send me an email.
post #302 of 7061
General question: Would the EDGE go before or after a upscaling AVR that presently has a bug that will not allow the Torino chip to be turned off? (H/K 354).

Or is this anticipated by the availability of the HDMI "digital" output in the EDGE acting as a splitter so you can HDMI out to the display all the upscaled improved goodness and the other HDMI audio-only out to the AVR for tru/MA goodness?

Or, for beta testers, try it in all three places (as splitter/before AVR/after AVR)?
post #303 of 7061
OOOOOH, I'm so on EDGE I just can't wait.
post #304 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

Then EDGE would output the preferred format for that display, which may or may not be 1366x768. All of the timing descriptors for the preferred format are also included in the EDID.

Having read thru more Panny literature, I'm fairly certain that the 'preferred format' being communicated in this case is 720p despite the fact that it is a native 768p panel.
post #305 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Pia-chan View Post

Having read thru more Panny literature, I'm fairly certain that the 'preferred format' being communicated in this case is 720p despite the fact that it is a native 768p panel.

What difference does it make? You are feeding it 720p without the Edge too.
post #306 of 7061
So I take it if we haven't heard from DVDO or AVS we have not been selected to be public beta testers??
post #307 of 7061
Josh. I'm just waiting for confirmation of the delivered UK price before faxing the agreement. I have sent you a PM and email.
post #308 of 7061
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by diggumsmax View Post

So I take it if we haven't heard from DVDO or AVS we have not been selected to be public beta testers??

Not necessarily, in your case it means that you need to check your 'Junk' email folder, or send me another email address that I can respond to.
post #309 of 7061
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Originally Posted by VirusKiller View Post

Josh. I'm just waiting for confirmation of the delivered UK price before faxing the agreement. I have sent you a PM and email.

We are working out the international pricing with our international distributors and I will be able to answer this tomorrow.
post #310 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

Not necessarily, in your case it means that you need to check your 'Junk' email folder, or send me another email address that I can respond to.

Thanks for the quick response (always top notch response and info from you and dale on these boards). I've sent you a PM with an alternate email address as I've already emptied my junk folder today for the original email address I submitted.
post #311 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

We are working out the international pricing with our international distributors and I will be able to answer this tomorrow.

I'd been keen to know this as well. Sent back the signed form earlier today.
post #312 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

What difference does it make? You are feeding it 720p without the Edge too.

Why spend the money on a nice video processor just to have your display rescale? That's how I feel as a 768p owner. I already have an Oppo 983 for DVD, so all i really need this for is cable. I own an Algolith Flea, which I use for cable and after my Oppo. Is it worth $800 just for cable deinterlacing/scaling just to have me display's so-so scaling kick in with the final word? If I could get pixel mapping, I'd replace my Oppo with a VP (only if it's scaling/deinterlacing was caparable or better than the 983). Hell, I don't even know what resolutions my display will accept and over what inputs. (I got 1360x768 from my computer, but over component. Native Res. is 1366x768)

I'm REALLY hating my TV now. 768p (will it even accept native res.?), no 480i over HDMI (stuck with cable box deinterlacing)... Decisions. 1. Save for a new TV? Really don't want to do this. 2. Get this much cheaper VP and deal with my TV rescaling. Leaning towards this. 3. Get an expensive VP that can do custom resolutions. Can't afford, long ways away. 4. Except what I've got... I really can't stand my SD cable, although the Flea helped. I know cable is garbage, but ANYTHING should deinterlace better than my cable box!

Maybe DVDO would just make me a cheap deinterlacing box based on the ABT102. Please, please...
post #313 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Why spend the money on a nice video processor just to have your display rescale? That's how I feel as a 768p owner. I already have an Oppo 983 for DVD, so all i really need this for is cable. I own an Algolith Flea, which I use for cable and after my Oppo. Is it worth $800 just for cable deinterlacing/scaling just to have me display's so-so scaling kick in with the final word? If I could get pixel mapping, I'd replace my Oppo with a VP (only if it's scaling/deinterlacing was caparable or better than the 983). Hell, I don't even know what resolutions my display will accept and over what inputs.

I'm REALLY hating my TV now. 768p (will it even accept native res.?), no 480i over HDMI (stuck with cable box deinterlacing)... Decisions. 1. Save for a new TV? Really don't want to do this. 2. Get this much cheaper VP and deal with my TV rescaling. Leaning towards this. 3. Get an expensive VP that can do custom resolutions. Can't afford, long ways away. 4. Except what I've got... I really can't stand my SD cable, although the Flea helped.

Maybe DVDO would just make me a cheap deinterlacing box based on the ABT102. Please, please...

What TV do you have.
post #314 of 7061
Hi Josh ,

I don't think I've seen anyone ask this yet and it may too early for you to reply but are there any plans to be able upgrade or trade-in or trade-up to an Edge from a previous DVDO iScan ?

Scott..................
post #315 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

What TV do you have.

Samsung HP-S5053

If you know anything about what it accepts or how to find out, I'd love to know. Nothing in the owners manual or even in the Owner's Thread here on AVS. I've been thinking about calling up Samsung to talk to a tech. about it. Don't know how that would go...
post #316 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Samsung HP-S5053

If you know anything about what it accepts or how to find out, I'd love to know. Nothing in the owners manual or even in the Owner's Thread here on AVS. I've been thinking about calling up Samsung to talk to a tech. about it. Don't know how that would go...

I tried this with Westinghouse. Utter disaster and a waste of my time. The only publicly available number puts you in touch with clueless phone-answering CSRs. They *may* begin reading from the manual to you-most likely from a chapter with nothing to do with screen resolution. You will ask to have you call "escalated" to a manager, or someone with half a brain for electronics.

If you get that far, management does not have any contact info for anyone that can help you. I can't blame them--they're not even on the same continent!

By some miracle I was able to wrestle away from them a number for an authorized repair depot in the states. I called that number and was told (rather rudely) that I could not speak with a tech (or anyone for that matter) as it is a matter of policy. "Call tech support" I was told. I tried to explain the situation but was hung up on. Niiiiiice.

Hope you have better luck with Samsung, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Good customer service seems to be a forgotten art, save a few companies I choose to give my money to (Lumagen and DVDO falling within that list).
post #317 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Samsung HP-S5053

If you know anything about what it accepts or how to find out, I'd love to know. Nothing in the owners manual or even in the Owner's Thread here on AVS. I've been thinking about calling up Samsung to talk to a tech. about it. Don't know how that would go...

Have you heard of Google? Type it in and all of that is in the very first search result.
post #318 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

What difference does it make? You are feeding it 720p without the Edge too.

There are external video processors available that can force feed it (it being a TH-50PH11UK, for example) the native 1366x768, in which case no scaling would be done by the TV.
post #319 of 7061
Hey all!
Josh sent me a list of current people that have returned their NDA. I will be contacting everyone tomorrow so if you do NOT hear from me by around 4pm eastern tomorrow, please feel free to email me at jason@avscience.com and I will check on it (assuming you have sent in your NDA).
post #320 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

We are working out the international pricing with our international distributors and I will be able to answer this tomorrow.

Josh, I have signed the first document and emailed back. Basically you can forget about the Singapore distributor. The users in Singapore can self help and we do not really need to go through a closing-down-status kind of middleman. If possible, please appoint a suitable distributor to handle the future official orders. We can ship the stuff ourselves through our shipping agent who has offices in the states. So you can just treat our shipment like a domestic shipment. It will cost us much cheaper to get the shipping agent to divert our stuff back to Singapore, and faster too

For those who are asking for 768p output from the EDGE, why wouldn't you take 1080p instead? 768p will definitely lose a lot of details and let your TV do the downscaling!
post #321 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Have you heard of Google?

Have you heard of competent reading skills? I don't think my question deserved a rude response, especially since your answer gave me no info to what I asked. I am familiar with that link, and nowhere in it does it say what resolutions the HDMI input will accept.

I have a PM box if you have anything else to say...
post #322 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Samsung HP-S5053

If you know anything about what it accepts or how to find out, I'd love to know. Nothing in the owners manual or even in the Owner's Thread here on AVS. I've been thinking about calling up Samsung to talk to a tech. about it. Don't know how that would go...

I don't have any info to back this up but I'd be very surprised if you can feed your Samsung native res and get a picture let alone remove your panels brains from the signal loop. AFAIK only the Commercial series panels can be fed their native resolution and provide a dot for dot picture. Even then it's usually only via DVI that it's possible.
post #323 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

I don't have any info to back this up but I'd be very surprised if you can feed your Samsung native res and get a picture let alone remove your panels brains from the signal loop. AFAIK only the Commercial series panels can be fed their native resolution and provide a dot for dot picture. Even then it's usually only via DVI that it's possible.

Someone in the owners thread said they were able to send 1360x768 atleast, but did not say if it was over VGA or HDMI. (I PM'd him, but no response.) I was able to over VGA, but not able to test out HDMI. I did not get anything with 1366x768 over VGA. 720p/1080i from my HD player over HDMI looked better than 1360x768 from my computer over VGA. Computer has an NVidia 8600GTS, and I was using a Xbox addon with HD movies also. I may not have had the timings correct, I didn't play with it much. I'm pretty clueless about custom resolutions.

Thanks for your input.

(Don't mean to take this thread so OT.)
post #324 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Someone in the owners thread said they were able to send 1360x768 atleast, but did not say if it was over VGA or HDMI. (I PM'd him, but no response.) I was able to over VGA, but not able to test out HDMI. I did not get anything with 1366x768 over VGA. 720p/1080i from my HD player over HDMI looked better than 1360x768 from my computer over VGA. Computer has an NVidia 8600GTS, and I was using a Xbox addon with HD movies also. I may not have had the timings correct, I didn't play with it much. I'm pretty clueless about custom resolutions.

Thanks for your input.

(Don't mean to take this thread so OT.)

Exploring what panels would be complimented by a product such as the Edge is very on-topic!
post #325 of 7061
My Westinghouse W4207 will take 1366x768 and 1360x768 over VGA and DVI. Can't remember which was which. Simply blanked 3 lines on either side. Could have sworn I got it to do it over HDMI too--will double check this next weekend--too busy till then.

Doesn't like my macbook pro one bit. Tried displayX but couldn't get the front and back porch set so that it was happy. That's what I was trying to talk to a tech about. If anyone knows the timings, PM me! (PC works no problem--no need for any fancy configuring.)
post #326 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Someone in the owners thread said they were able to send 1360x768 atleast, but did not say if it was over VGA or HDMI. (I PM'd him, but no response.) I was able to over VGA, but not able to test out HDMI. I did not get anything with 1366x768 over VGA. 720p/1080i from my HD player over HDMI looked better than 1360x768 from my computer over VGA. Computer has an NVidia 8600GTS, and I was using a Xbox addon with HD movies also. I may not have had the timings correct, I didn't play with it much. I'm pretty clueless about custom resolutions.

Thanks for your input.

(Don't mean to take this thread so OT.)

Your Samsung will take 1360 x 768 @ 60Hz via the VGA port (you could use HDMI to VGA i.e. using an HDFury cable), and it's the only way you can get native resolution. EDGE won't output in this format, so you'd be looking at another of DVDO's VPs to get native resolution.

The VP will be better at scaling to the native resolution than the XBox will be (it has to convert games/films from 720/1080 to 768). So you'd get a better picture again.
post #327 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Pia-chan View Post

There are external video processors available that can force feed it (it being a TH-50PH11UK, for example) the native 1366x768, in which case no scaling would be done by the TV.

This thread is about the Edge processor and scaling will have to be done whether the source is the Edge or a player. The point is there are still more important benefits to be had such as the superior de-interlacing of the Edge.
post #328 of 7061
Just getting my head around the refresh rate thing.

You have to set either 1080p/50 or 1080p/60 or 1080p/24?

You can't select 1080P and it'll output at the incoming refresh rate?

SkyHD or Pal DVDs - 50hz

NTSC DVDs and HD-DVDs - 60hz

Film based - 24hz

I'm assuming I'll have to change the output when changing from one to the other? I can understand this when wanting 24hz from 50hz or 60hz, but it'll be a bit annoying when going from 50hz to 60hz to vice versa.

If I have the Edge set to 1080p/50...

And I input a 60hz or a 1080p/24 signal will it change the refresh rate to 50hz?

What effect will this conversion have on the picture?

And vice versa....If I have the Edge set to output 1080p/24 and the Mrs puts on SkyHD at 50hz, what's going to happen? Apart from me getting shouted at

It mentions in the first post that overscan can be set differently for SD and HD from the same input, is this correct?

Thanks,
Stuart.
post #329 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

This thread is about the Edge processor and scaling will have to be done whether the source is the Edge or a player. The point is there are still more important benefits to be had such as the superior de-interlacing of the Edge.

Josh explained in a previous post that the EDGE set to auto will output the 'preferred' format as communicated by the TV. Speaking for those of us with native 768p TVs, I'm interested in what our TVs will be telling the EDGE to send: 720p or 768p. I agree with you that the EDGE will be of great value even if it isn't actually capable of sending the native format in this case.
post #330 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Pia-chan View Post

Josh explained in a previous post that the EDGE set to auto will output the 'preferred' format as communicated by the TV. Speaking for those of us with native 768p TVs, I'm interested in what our TVs will be telling the EDGE to send: 720p or 768p. I agree with you that the EDGE will be of great value even if it isn't actually capable of sending the native format in this case.

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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

Then EDGE would output the preferred format for that display, which may or may not be 1366x768. All of the timing descriptors for the preferred format are also included in the EDID.

Have you tried a Panasonic thread? Your question is really about the TV, not the Edge, correct?
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