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post #4141 of 7060
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

Prolly a stupid question Frank, did you change the audio output settings to HDMI Video/Audio?

Yes I did mate and it did not even work.No DTS HD MA/Dolby True HD pass through at all. I just could not get it working. So what I did next was go back to the old firmware. Still keeping the audio setup to HDMI Video/Audio it works perfect. This time I have not seperated the audio and the video so hopefully no audio dropouts.
post #4142 of 7060
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I suppose, but I cannot find those keys on my Oppo remote

The EDGE output format (res+framerate) IR codes (not on the EDGE remote) work just fine for this

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The Edge already does a great job of recognizing 24P (Telecine) disks so it can be implemented. Problems can arise when the disk is badly authored it can introduce artifacts. However, for most disks, it can work well.

My experience has been that it works better than "well", I don't notice any issues on the SD disks I play at 24p.
post #4143 of 7060
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Originally Posted by jedi.master.dre View Post

So using my HD-XA2 to output 1080p/24fps for HD DVD and SD DVD with the Edge set to 1:1, would probably be the best then?

I prefer the Oppo-980H for multiple reasons vs the XA2 (I have one), but the scenario you describe will work.
post #4144 of 7060
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Originally Posted by dlm10541 View Post

First there is more than one way to telecine and if one method created the SD disk and another is used to attempt to recreate 24 you may have problems.

If you like to attempt to recreate the filmed 24 fps more power to you, I prefer to minimize processing and its related artifacts

I prefer results over theory. I get better results when I use 24P output for film based SD-DVD. If you wish to watch you SD DVD's at 60P, that is your business.
post #4145 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Yes I did mate and it did not even work.No DTS HD MA/Dolby True HD pass through at all. I just could not get it working. So what I did next was go back to the old firmware. Still keeping the audio setup to HDMI Video/Audio it works perfect. This time I have not seperated the audio and the video so hopefully no audio dropouts.

Wierd, oh well at least its working with v1.1 - hopefully DVDO can sort out some of these weird issues.
post #4146 of 7060
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

Wierd, oh well at least its working with v1.1 - hopefully DVDO can sort out some of these weird issues.

Well for me if it all works well know going just through the HDMI Video/audio then Im not going to bother with anymore upgrades.
post #4147 of 7060
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Originally Posted by HiHoStevo View Post

Rich what I have done for this is to run a Component output from my DTV HD-DVR as well as an HDMI cable. When SciFi channel runs a program as you describe (Stargate SG-1 for example) I just change the Edge input to Component 1 where I have already pre-set the zoom to +34%. When I switch back to a normal 16x9 HD show I just switch back to HDMI-2. This is the easiest way I have found to deal with the issue you raise.

I ran a 35 foot HDMI cable, an additional component cable is not an option. I do not think the display has one anyway

- Rich
post #4148 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Yes I did mate and it did not even work.No DTS HD MA/Dolby True HD pass through at all. I just could not get it working. So what I did next was go back to the old firmware. Still keeping the audio setup to HDMI Video/Audio it works perfect. This time I have not seperated the audio and the video so hopefully no audio dropouts.

Frank- so what you are saying, if I try v1.1 I will be able to pass HD MA/Dolby True HD? but, may have audio dropouts. My recent box was delivered with the latest firmware so I have no prior experience with the earlier firmwares.
post #4149 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

Frank- so what you are saying, if I try v1.1 I will be able to pass HD MA/Dolby True HD? but, may have audio dropouts. My recent box was delivered with the latest firmware so I have no prior experience with the earlier firmwares.

I never had a problem with v1.1 firmware apart from the occasional audio dropouts. But now coming to think of it those occasional audio dropouts could of happened due to the way I had it connected. The HDMI Audio to the AVR/pre and the Hdmi video-audio to the projector. Ive know have it connected the AVR/PRE and the Projector to the Hdmi Audio Video so far no audio dropouts.Im not going to bother with 1.2.
post #4150 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I never had a problem with v1.1 firmware apart from the occasional audio dropouts. But now coming to think of it those occasional audio dropouts could of happened due to the way I had it connected. The HDMI Audio to the AVR/pre and the Hdmi video-audio to the projector. Ive know have it connected the AVR/PRE and the Projector to the Hdmi Audio Video so far no audio dropouts.Im not going to bother with 1.2.

How do you hook both the AVR and your Projector to the one audio/video HDMI output?
post #4151 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

How do you hook both the AVR and your Projector to the one audio/video HDMI output?

I have my Bd players connected to the DVDO Edge then you connect the audio/video Hdmi output to the Pre/avr and then monitor out from your avr/pre to the projector.
post #4152 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I have my Bd players connected to the DVDO Edge then you connect the audio/video Hdmi output to the Pre/avr and then monitor out from your avr/pre to the projector.

Ok, I understand. I'm not sure this is a good setup for me as I don't always want to have the AVR on when other family members just want to watch TV. My AVR does not have passthrough when it is off, but I see a few of the new ones do, including the Yamaha RX-V3900.
post #4153 of 7060
This is with regard to HD audio and the Edge. I just finished watching the Wrestler. It has DTS 5.1 Master Audio as the default audio source.

I had no issues playing it thriough the Edge coming out on the audio out connector and feeding a Cinema 11A with an audio only stream (HDMI).

The 11A provides a proper E-EDID indicating it can handle 7.1 channel Bitstream and the Edge is clearly passing that fact to the Panny BD30. The Panny then sends the DTS Master Audio as 3/2.1 Which is how it is recorded, the Edge passes that and the Cinema 11A shows on its display that it has recognized a DTS formatted bitstream and is decoding it as DTS master audio 3/2.1. All ties out and the sound field is as expected.

I had no issues with ether the picture or the sound at any time. My only annoyance was with the 5 Previews before the movie. I wish I could set the player to immediately move to the main feature but that is not possible AFAIK. I hit chapter skip, but have to do it 5 times. No hiccups, no loss of audio or picture except as it skips forward as it should.
post #4154 of 7060
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Originally Posted by barrygordon View Post

This is with regard to HD audio and the Edge. I just finished watching the Wrestler. It has DTS 5.1 Master Audio as the default audio source.

I had no issues playing it thriough the Edge coming out on the audio out connector and feeding a Cinema 11A with an audio only stream (HDMI).

The 11A provides a proper E-EDID indicating it can handle 7.1 channel Bitstream and the Edge is clearly passing that fact to the Panny BD30. The Panny then sends the DTS Master Audio as 3/2.1 Which is how it is recorded, the Edge passes that and the Cinema 11A shows on its display that it has recognized a DTS formatted bitstream and is decoding it as DTS master audio 3/2.1. All ties out and the sound field is as expected.

I had no issues with ether the picture or the sound at any time. My only annoyance was with the 5 Previews before the movie. I wish I could set the player to immediately move to the main feature but that is not possible AFAIK. I hit chapter skip, but have to do it 5 times. No hiccups, no loss of audio or picture except as it skips forward as it should.

Thanks for your information, are you using the latest 1.2 firmware?
post #4155 of 7060
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Originally Posted by barrygordon View Post

This is with regard to HD audio and the Edge. I just finished watching the Wrestler. It has DTS 5.1 Master Audio as the default audio source.

I had no issues playing it thriough the Edge coming out on the audio out connector and feeding a Cinema 11A with an audio only stream (HDMI).

The 11A provides a proper E-EDID indicating it can handle 7.1 channel Bitstream and the Edge is clearly passing that fact to the Panny BD30. The Panny then sends the DTS Master Audio as 3/2.1 Which is how it is recorded, the Edge passes that and the Cinema 11A shows on its display that it has recognized a DTS formatted bitstream and is decoding it as DTS master audio 3/2.1. All ties out and the sound field is as expected.

I had no issues with ether the picture or the sound at any time. My only annoyance was with the 5 Previews before the movie. I wish I could set the player to immediately move to the main feature but that is not possible AFAIK. I hit chapter skip, but have to do it 5 times. No hiccups, no loss of audio or picture except as it skips forward as it should.

Is that with every BD movie you played? Because I wasn't getting audio dropouts with every BD movie it was random but to me that was fustrating. This new firmware for some reason all was going good at first but it did not accept any HD audio at all. I must of done a series of command sequences with the remote which created a bug.
post #4156 of 7060
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Originally Posted by usualsuspects View Post

The downside to 1:1 is that it does not work with SD-DVD if you want 24p output. All (as far as I know) SD-DVD players output 480/576 i/p 50 or 60 - no 24p output at SD resolutions from players. 1:1 would be ideal except for this little gotcha. If you have a SD-DVD player that will output 1080p24 - then 1:1 works (but the player might not be better than EDGE at de-interlacing/scaling/noise reduction/image enhancement, etc...).

So you're saying that the Edge will take a 480i60 film (which has a correct 2:3 pulldown field throughout the entire length - rare in my experience that a disc is fully flagged correctly) and then de-interlace it to 24p and not do the 60p 2:3 cadence, but a 1:1? Interesting...

But why would "1:1 Framerate - ON" prevent this? I mean let's say the Edge does what I said, 1:1 I thought is just there to allow both 1080p60 and 1080p24 as output. I guess you're saying that if you select 1080p24 output, 1:1 doesn't work? That's a bug then I'd say.
post #4157 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Bogdan View Post

But why would "1:1 Framerate - ON" prevent this? I mean let's say the Edge does what I said, 1:1 I thought is just there to allow both 1080p60 and 1080p24 as output. I guess you're saying that if you select 1080p24 output, 1:1 doesn't work? That's a bug then I'd say.

because 1:1 framerate forces the outgoing refresh rate to equal the incoming refresh rate so 60hz = 60hz, 24 = 24hz etc.

However if you set the edge to output 24hz (1:1 = off) then it will take the 60hz film and strip out the 3:2 pull down to give you 24hz.
post #4158 of 7060
After I finished watching the Wrestler, (DTS 5.1 soundtrack) I put in the DVE BR test disc and checked it's audio. When the player idicated that the audio was LPCM 2.0 I got sound and the Cinema 11A indicated a LPCM signal. When the player indicated that the audio was True HD Multichannel there was no sound and the Cary Cinema 11A reported no audio signal being sent.

I am running 1.2 build 81. I intend to notify DVDO of this Major issue.

The only BR disc I have seen audio dropouts with is Twilight
post #4159 of 7060
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Originally Posted by barrygordon View Post

After I finished watching the Wrestler, (DTS 5.1 soundtrack) I put in the DVE BR test disc and checked it's audio. When the player idicated that the audio was LPCM 2.0 I got sound and the Cinema 11A indicated a LPCM signal. When the player indicated that the audio was True HD Multichannel there was no sound and the Cary Cinema 11A reported no audio signal being sent.

I am running 1.2 build 81. I intend to notify DVDO of this Major issue.

I've had that with regular AC3 Audio & PCM on my media center also with v1.2, i had to power cycle the edge to get DD audio back.
post #4160 of 7060
A power cycle did not clear up the missing True HD multichannel. I have never had to Power cycle the edge to bring up any of the non HD audio formats. They are always there (DTS 5.1 and DD 5.1)
post #4161 of 7060
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Originally Posted by barrygordon View Post

After I finished watching the Wrestler, (DTS 5.1 soundtrack) I put in the DVE BR test disc and checked it's audio. When the player idicated that the audio was LPCM 2.0 I got sound and the Cinema 11A indicated a LPCM signal. When the player indicated that the audio was True HD Multichannel there was no sound and the Cary Cinema 11A reported no audio signal being sent.

I am running 1.2 build 81. I intend to notify DVDO of this Major issue.

The only BR disc I have seen audio dropouts with is Twilight

Welcome to my problem barrygordon. Exactly what happened to me. DD and DTS fine but true HD and DTS HD MA nothing. Rolled back to 1.1 fine.
post #4162 of 7060
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

I've had that with regular AC3 Audio & PCM on my media center also with v1.2, i had to power cycle the edge to get DD audio back.

BTW are you going to rollback to 1.1 djos?
post #4163 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

BTW are you going to rollback to 1.1 djos?

Not sure, I have less issues with 1.2 in some areas and so far it is better behaved for me aside from the weird PReP issues.
post #4164 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Bogdan View Post

So you're saying that the Edge will take a 480i60 film (which has a correct 2:3 pulldown field throughout the entire length - rare in my experience that a disc is fully flagged correctly) and then de-interlace it to 24p and not do the 60p 2:3 cadence, but a 1:1? Interesting...

But why would "1:1 Framerate - ON" prevent this? I mean let's say the Edge does what I said, 1:1 I thought is just there to allow both 1080p60 and 1080p24 as output. I guess you're saying that if you select 1080p24 output, 1:1 doesn't work? That's a bug then I'd say.

djos answered, but allow me to expand on that.

1:1 does work and it is not broken, it does exactly what it should do per the description of how it works. 1:1 framerate looks at the framerate of the input signal and locks the output to that same framerate. So 480i/60 or 480p/60 has a framerate of 60 hence the output will be locked to 60p if 1:1 is enabled. 1:1 works for 99% of scenarios - NTSC and PAL (60 vs 50) are automatically correctly handled, and 24P inputs are also passed through as 24p. The thing about 1:1 is this: it causes the EDGE to ignore the framerate chosen in the output setup, and instead use the framerate of the input. The only time this is an issue for me is SD-DVD and HD cable where the input framerate is 60/50. For HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, they output 24p and 1:1 works just fine for them.

As to the "it can't work because DVD encodes are not perfect" argument: seeing is believing. De-interlacing is one of the strong points of EDGE. It works for me.
post #4165 of 7060
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Originally Posted by usualsuspects View Post

djos answered, but allow me to expand on that.

1:1 does work and it is not broken, it does exactly what it should do per the description of how it works. 1:1 framerate looks at the framerate of the input signal and locks the output to that same framerate. So 480i/60 or 480p/60 has a framerate of 60 hence the output will be locked to 60p if 1:1 is enabled. 1:1 works for 99% of scenarios - NTSC and PAL (60 vs 50) are automatically correctly handled, and 24P inputs are also passed through as 24p. The thing about 1:1 is this: it causes the EDGE to ignore the framerate chosen in the output setup, and instead use the framerate of the input. The only time this is an issue for me is SD-DVD and HD cable where the input framerate is 60/50. For HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, they output 24p and 1:1 works just fine for them.

As to the "it can't work because DVD encodes are not perfect" argument: seeing is believing. De-interlacing is one of the strong points of EDGE. It works for me.

When I enabled framerate 1:1 I got no picture, why would that be the case?
post #4166 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

When I enabled framerate 1:1 I got no picture, why would that be the case?

With 1:1 on, the output will be a combination of the resolution set in the EDGE output + the framerate of the input signal. When does 1:1 not work - ever? or just with some sources? With 1:1 off - take a look at the EDGE info screen that shows what the input signal res and rate is - what does it say? what is your output resolution set to? What is your display?
post #4167 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

When I enabled framerate 1:1 I got no picture, why would that be the case?

Possibly your display does not handle the resulting output.
post #4168 of 7060
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Originally Posted by dlm10541 View Post

Possibly your display does not handle the resulting output.

My suspicion also.
post #4169 of 7060
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Originally Posted by usualsuspects View Post

My suspicion also.

I have the jvc rs1/hd 1 it shows that it accepts 1080/24p
post #4170 of 7060
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Originally Posted by usualsuspects View Post

With 1:1 on, the output will be a combination of the resolution set in the EDGE output + the framerate of the input signal. When does 1:1 not work - ever? or just with some sources? With 1:1 off - take a look at the EDGE info screen that shows what the input signal res and rate is - what does it say? what is your output resolution set to? What is your display?

I will check tonight. I mainly use bd or hd DVD what resolution do I have set it on the players?
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