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post #6511 of 7060
I'm kind of supprised that people stuck w/ Comcast HDTV(as their cable/sat content provider) are'nt more aware of the Edge. It kind of amazes me that so many people are'nt bothered by compression, regardless of how slight it might be. (This is almost as aggravating to me as seeing a performer in concert playing a "factory" made acoustic guitar. There are at least a few dozen luthiers who can provide "real" instruments to them). So... Those of you using their Egde for HD cable (In case you have'nt guessed, I watch extremely little in SD) has it been a nice enhancement ? I'm not looking for "night & day" differences. (If you are looking for that, it's very probable you need more than a single component to accomplish that. I'm not that much of a novice). Thanks, Steve
post #6512 of 7060
A video processor does not re-create resolution lost by compression.
post #6513 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

A video processor does not re-create resolution lost by compression.

So you are saying the adaptive de-interlacing & upconversion of the signal from 1080i to 1080p is having no effect in allowing you to see any amount of micro detail in that 1080 resolution? Wow, I find that pretty shocking! I would have thought that just cleaning up the signal would allow you to see some more of the resolution already there. Anyone else?
post #6514 of 7060
Correct. New pixels are being created through interpolation not, as I said, re-created original pixels. Big difference. BTW 1080->1080 is not "upconversion".
post #6515 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Correct. New pixels are being created through interpolation not, as I said, re-created original pixels. Big difference. BTW 1080->1080 is not "upconversion".

Alright, is'nt compression a form of 'video smoothing' ? The new pixels (even though false) are'nt taking up the space that was changed by the compression ( maybe these are'nt new pixels after all but an approximation of what was there before compression) ? (Sorry to play "Devil's Advocate" , but I'm trying to understand the point of this product if it's not designed to help with already flawed outputed signals)
post #6516 of 7060
Video processors had their day and still do for CRT projectors and the like. Now much of the same processing is in a chip in your display device, input components, etc. Notice DVDO is now primarily in the chip business.
post #6517 of 7060
I guess it is in the eye of the beholder because I've had my EDGE for about six months now and have my TW cable, Roku and CLD-97 laser disc player hooked up to it and have been very happy with the PQ I have been able to dial in to my 65" Panny plasma in my HT using the EDGE's tools. My HD looks a less grainy with nicer color and my Netflix viewing through my Roku (720 upscaled to 1080) looks just as nice. I've been most impressed with how much better I can get my lasers to look with tweaking. Certainly nothing to shout stop the presses to home theater magazines, but definitely an improvement. Of course my display is ISF calibrated and my HT is absolute light controlled so even if I'm imagining it, I'm still glad I spent the $350 for this fine piece of equipment.
post #6518 of 7060
Thanks, that was just the information I was looking for. I guess I lost sight of the fact that many who use VPs have never used them for anything other then a projector.
post #6519 of 7060
I'm in the UK and have an Apple TV that reads my Panasonic TV's EDID and decides that it should operate at 720p50 without any option to change it. This presents a problem for 24fps material, since that doesn't go into 50Hz nearly as neatly as it would go into 60Hz and stuttering results. My Samsung monitor has a different EDID prompts the Apple TV to output at 720p60 which is much better.

I think I can solve this problem on my Panasonic TV by faking the EDID with a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus, but I wondered whether the DVDO Edge could do a similar thing. That is, is there a setting in the Edge that will report a preferred resolution of 720p60 to its inputs include the Apple TV? Or even switch the preferred resolution between 720p50 and 720p60, to cope with different source framerates? Can this be achieved by using a manual rather than automatic output setting for the Edge, or is that a separate issue? Would I still need the HDMI Detective Plus in the chain?

More specifically, has anyone used a DVDO Edge with an Apple TV? I was hoping that it would be able to extract 24fps film-based material at 720p60 and output 1080p24 to eliminate pulldown judder. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks very much.
post #6520 of 7060
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

I'm in the UK and have an Apple TV that reads my Panasonic TV's EDID and decides that it should operate at 720p50 without any option to change it. This presents a problem for 24fps material, since that doesn't go into 50Hz nearly as neatly as it would go into 60Hz and stuttering results. My Samsung monitor has a different EDID prompts the Apple TV to output at 720p60 which is much better.

I think I can solve this problem on my Panasonic TV by faking the EDID with a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus, but I wondered whether the DVDO Edge could do a similar thing. That is, is there a setting in the Edge that will report a preferred resolution of 720p60 to its inputs include the Apple TV? Or even switch the preferred resolution between 720p50 and 720p60, to cope with different source framerates? Can this be achieved by using a manual rather than automatic output setting for the Edge, or is that a separate issue? Would I still need the HDMI Detective Plus in the chain?

More specifically, has anyone used a DVDO Edge with an Apple TV? I was hoping that it would be able to extract 24fps film-based material at 720p60 and output 1080p24 to eliminate pulldown judder. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks very much.

I'm not the best when it comes to answering technical questions but here is a link to the EDGE manual:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pd...uct_Manual.pdf
But after looking at mine I think it will do what you are asking. I've included a photo of the manual page that does show that the EDGE will output both 720p50 and 720p60. Hope this is what you were looking for.
LL
post #6521 of 7060
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post
That is, is there a setting in the Edge that will report a preferred resolution of 720p60 to its inputs include the Apple TV? Or even switch the preferred resolution between 720p50 and 720p60, to cope with different source framerates? Can this be achieved by using a manual rather than automatic output setting for the Edge, or is that a separate issue? Would I still need the HDMI Detective Plus in the chain?

More specifically, has anyone used a DVDO Edge with an Apple TV? I was hoping that it would be able to extract 24fps film-based material at 720p60 and output 1080p24 to eliminate pulldown judder. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks very much.
The Edge does have manual output settings, which should enable you to output 720p60 or 50, whichever you choose. However, I have never tried the 24fps or 1080p settings, since my panel is 720p. I don't know how well that would work. But at least you can change the output settings for any input.
post #6522 of 7060
I think peterjcat is asking if the Edge can make the Apple TV upstream output 720p60 rather than 720p50 to the Edge by default or by force when connected to a 50Hz TV downstream, and as I understand it isn't specifically related to the Edge's output resolution settings. The Edge can change 720p50 to 720p60 once it receives a 50Hz input but this isn't what peterjcat wants in the first place, as 24-50-60 can't get rid of judder and I don't think 24-50-24 can restore 24p.

I think how it works is if the Edge detects the TV as 60Hz by default then it tells the source upstream to send 60Hz for 24p source unless there is an option for source direct output. I have no idea how Apple TV works with the Edge in a 50Hz country as I'm now in 60Hz country. Perhaps just getting a BDP to output 1080p24 is the simplest solution.
post #6523 of 7060
Thanks everybody. Those manuals are a good read but don't seem to answer my specific question, which as Kilian.ca says is about forcing a source to output at a specific resolution/framerate by offering it a specific range of EDID options or preferences. On the second question, though, has anyone had any experience getting 24fps back from a 720p60 or 1080p60 source? Is it smooth etc?

I may just have to get one and see how it all works, in which case I'll report back.
post #6524 of 7060
Try asking about the EDID issue in the UK avforums as people there have 50Hz displays.

As to 24 from 60 by IVTC, in theory it isn't difficult. I've read in the Pioneer plasma threads (the Pio can do that) and from some Oppo users (same ABT chip) that it works mostly, but some DVDs have bad cuts so there can be judder. If 60 is produced from 24 by TC in the player then I suppose IVTC should work in the Edge getting it back but it shouldn't be a common scenario as all BDPs output 24p directly so no reason to go this roundabout route for nothing.
post #6525 of 7060
Jeez, I take a break for a few weeks and when I come back the anchorbay.com web site is essentially gone.

The new Edge home page appears to be at http://www.simplaylabs.com/DVDO/DVDO_EDGE.aspx

As one of the original beta testers, I was still checking the beta user forum periodically, and that seems to be completely gone.

I guess I'll flip over to the Duo thread and see if this has been discussed there - they used the same site.
post #6526 of 7060
I have an Edge for over a year and had no problems with it. Now the last two days when I turn it on it will not lock on and does not respond to the remote. I have to push the reset button in the back and pull the plug. After a few tries I get it to lock on to a signal and the remote starts to work. Today I left it on all day, afraid to turn it off and it is working well. Does anyone have an idea to what is going on with my Edge?
post #6527 of 7060
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Originally Posted by DiCecco View Post

I have an Edge for over a year and had no problems with it. Now the last two days when I turn it on it will not lock on and does not respond to the remote. I have to push the reset button in the back and pull the plug. After a few tries I get it to lock on to a signal and the remote starts to work. Today I left it on all day, afraid to turn it off and it is working well. Does anyone have an idea to what is going on with my Edge?

I had that happen with my first unit. I'd had it for a week. It eventually went completely dead and had to be replaced.

Since then, I've been very careful about shutting down the Edge. I don't know for sure if this helps as a preventive measure, but I figure it doesn't hurt to have a shutdown procedure that tries to ensure the unit shuts down in a working state.

Here's what I do: when I shut down, I first shut down the unit that is feeding the Edge. Usually this is one of the component inputs, but sometimes it is the HDMI input or the SV input. Whichever input it is, I shut down the source first, and wait to make sure the Edge is outputting a signal before I turn it off. The way to determine that is to make sure it is sending a blue screen to the TV. If the TV says "no signal," or is there is no blue screen, then the Edge isn't outputting a signal. When no input is active, the output should be blue screen.

If the blue screen doesn't show up after a few seconds, I try switching to another unused input (all input sources should be off by now). Usually, one of them will eventually come up with a blue screen. Then I switch to HDMI 1 on the Edge, make sure it is blue screen, and turn it off.

If none of this works, I go back to the last active input and turn on that input's source unit again, then shut that off again. Usually this finally gets the blue screen output from the Edge to show up, but you may need to experiment with varying procedures until you find one that works.

On rare occasions I've had to shut the Edge off without the blue screen, but I immediately turn it back on again and scroll through the inputs (no sources on) until I get a blue screen.

Also note that if you use only HDMI inputs, the problem may be an HDMI handshake issue, and you might want to experiment with some of the different settings the Edge has to handle that.

And one additional note: I disabled all the auto-shutdown and auto-startup options. I start up and shut down manually every time.

The main point is that I deduced from my first failed unit that allowing the Edge to shut down without its output active was asking for trouble.

I can't guarantee this will help; if your unit is about to fail, it may be too far along in the process for this to save it, if it ever could. But it's certainly worth trying. And use it on the next unit, if you have to replace your current one.
post #6528 of 7060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

Try asking about the EDID issue in the UK avforums as people there have 50Hz displays.

As to 24 from 60 by IVTC, in theory it isn't difficult. I've read in the Pioneer plasma threads (the Pio can do that) and from some Oppo users (same ABT chip) that it works mostly, but some DVDs have bad cuts so there can be judder. If 60 is produced from 24 by TC in the player then I suppose IVTC should work in the Edge getting it back but it shouldn't be a common scenario as all BDPs output 24p directly so no reason to go this roundabout route for nothing.

Thanks for that. I have pulled the trigger on a unit so I'll do some experimenting and see how it all works.

I do have various devices that output nicely at 1080p24 but the Apple TV is great for the family and visitors -- who ultimately won't care about proper IVTC but I still care
post #6529 of 7060
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

Jeez, I take a break for a few weeks and when I come back the anchorbay.com web site is essentially gone.

The new Edge home page appears to be at http://www.simplaylabs.com/DVDO/DVDO_EDGE.aspx

As one of the original beta testers, I was still checking the beta user forum periodically, and that seems to be completely gone.

I guess I'll flip over to the Duo thread and see if this has been discussed there - they used the same site.

I'm in the same boat. Just checked the beta tester forum and zilch. It no longer exists. Sloppy from a PR perspective IMHO...
post #6530 of 7060
You shouldn't have to shut down the Edge. It should be left on Standby> Do you really need to shut down 3 components when your finished watching TV? I'd be a chore pretty fast.

Th Edge had a software glitch that would leave the hardware in an permanent unusable state> This was resolved with version 1.4> I had to return my first edge with that issue.

Scaling and de-interlacing are the main sources for people not being happy with thier HDTV's> They have poor de-interlacing hardware, there are several different hundred cadence pulldowns that come from your broadcasters...none of which average the standard 3:2 pulldown> often something abnormal such as 3:2:2:3:2 etc> This results in a blurry picture or motion blur> thus requiring 120HZ or 600HZ to resolve this issue.

Tv manufacturers don't have the technology that the Edge has to detect these cadence changes and revert them back to standard 3:2 pulldown> The edge is known to be the best cadence detector that resolves this issue> thus Negating the need for 120HZ_600HZ sets.

Not to mention that color space helps improve image clarity as well> which most TV's don't do well at all since they don't double the blue or yellow color carier in the signal like the Edge does @ 4:2:2 instead of 4:1:1.
post #6531 of 7060
So repeating frames fixes cadence issues? Awesome.
post #6532 of 7060
It takes those repeated frames and removes them completely (I believe)...and adjusts them to 3:2 pulldown> which our retinas perceive as smoother motion undoubtedly.

Mind you, on some compressed sports channels, the block artifacts cannot be improved by the edge> thats where I find 120hz to smooth those blocky artifacts so their not as noticable> but who watches compressed sports channels anyway.
post #6533 of 7060
I have my Edge up for sale. Loved having it in the system but I need to sell to help finance another electronics purchase. PM for details.
*This has been sold*
post #6534 of 7060
Does any one have the correctly formatted discrete code that is needed for a Harmony One remote. 16x4 format?
post #6535 of 7060
Bug in VGA processing / upscaling ?

Is anybody here using the Edge for upscaling a VGA source ? It has come to my attention that there seems to be a color upsampling error when processing VGA signals.

The RGBHV source is connected through 5 RCA jacks, the output resolution actually is 720x480 and it's correctly seen as 480p. When a RGB testpattern is brought up, there's a visible drop in resolution on the blue and red channel while the green one retains full bandwith (see snapshot below). The Edge's info screen reports YCbCr on the input, although the source is a genuine RGB signal. This might also explain the problem, as a YCbCr signal has full resolution on the luminance channel (that's where green from the RGBHV signal is connected), while the two color channels are trasmitted with half the resolution (and that's where red and blue from the RGBHV signal are connected).

post #6536 of 7060
Can anyone confirm if I buy the edge from Amazon, while I'm at Australia, it's power supply / connector works fine here?

I see 'Internal Universal Power Supply' listed, but I can't figure out what this really means?
post #6537 of 7060
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Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

Can anyone confirm if I buy the edge from Amazon, while I'm at Australia, it's power supply / connector works fine here?

I see 'Internal Universal Power Supply' listed, but I can't figure out what this really means?

Australian Power:
Voltage: 220-240 Volts (U.S./Canada are 110-120 Volts)
Primary Socket Type: Australian AS-3112

Assuming the DVDO accepts anywhere from 110v to 240V, which is what Universal Power Supplys usually do, you would probably only need a plug adapter, or cut the plug off and replace it with an American plug.

Personally, I would order from Amazon US, unless the price there is a LOT better.
post #6538 of 7060
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

Can anyone confirm if I buy the edge from Amazon, while I'm at Australia, it's power supply / connector works fine here?

I see 'Internal Universal Power Supply' listed, but I can't figure out what this really means?

I am in the UK (240 Volts. 50Hz) and I ordered an Edge from Amazon in the States. Works perfectly here, so I guess it will be the same for you in Oz. All I had to do was cut off the US mains plug and fit a UK one.

As the poster above suggests, buy it from the States - Amazon have a specially good price on the Edge right now. I saved £200 sterling compared with buying here in the UK. Amazon take care of all the import taxes etc in their price (got to checkout to see the total for you).

Kind Regards,

Keith
post #6539 of 7060
Thanks guys. The price difference locally vs. what we can get it from Amazon for is huge. Getting a universal adapter/plug should do the job I think.
post #6540 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

Is anybody here using the Edge for upscaling a VGA source ? It has come to my attention that there seems to be a color upsampling error when processing VGA signals.

The RGBHV source is connected through 5 RCA jacks, the output resolution actually is 720x480 and it's correctly seen as 480p. When a RGB testpattern is brought up, there's a visible drop in resolution on the blue and red channel while the green one retains full bandwith (see snapshot below)....

I had used VGA-RGBHV before for my old plasma from laptop source with XGA output. According to the manual, it accepts VGA and SVGA too but 720x480 isn't listed - but it worked for you? What's your source device?

The Edge got RGB mixed up when connected to my old Arcam DVD player outputting YPbPr via 3 component cables.
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