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post #6541 of 7060
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Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

Thanks guys. The price difference locally vs. what we can get it from Amazon for is huge. Getting a universal adapter/plug should do the job I think.

A standard Figure-8 AC lead will work, you might already have one lying around or grab one from Jaycar etc.
post #6542 of 7060
So my Edge is back to not working with the Epson 8350. Reset the unit multiple times and changed firmwares a few times as well - no response.

I can plug the projector into the audio only HDMI and at least it turns the display black, but out of the normal port there is no activity.

Tried a different cable and it outputs fine when plugged directly into a source (Xbox 360). Works fine with my LCD monitor as well.

Kind of stinks. Warranty just ran out on the PJ and of course the Edge is out of warranty.
post #6543 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

I had used VGA-RGBHV before for my old plasma from laptop source with XGA output. According to the manual, it accepts VGA and SVGA too but 720x480 isn't listed - but it worked for you? What's your source device?

I can answer this as the screenshot Fudoh posted is one of mine I posted on another forum. The source is a Micomsoft XRGB-3 which is by far the best 240p processor for retro gaming. In "B1 mode" it outputs in 720x480p over VGA. As you can see however the EDGE gets the resolution right, but not the colorspace:

Could this be what's causing the blurry blue and red colors as shown in the earlier picture?

The XRGB-3 can also be set to output in various resolutions ("B0 mode") ranging from 640x480 to 1920x1200 and pretty much anything in between. This does add quite a bit of lag and the XRGB-3 can not apply scanlines in this mode (which I like very much). Setting the XRGB-3 to real 640x480 (VGA) this is what the EDGE info says:


Here is 640x480 (VGA) again, but this time with V-sync enabled on the XRGB-3:


In both cases the EDGE get's it wrong. The colorspace should be RGB and the resolution in B0 mode IS 640x480.

EDIT: If I set the XRGB-3 to output in 1024x768 or higher the EDGE seems to get it right (resolution and colorspace). This seems like a 640x480/720x480 problem.

Can something be done to correct this? Oh and the extreme ringing on 480p and 240p sources too please
post #6544 of 7060
Konsolkongen: I don't have any device that outputs VGA so I can't test it and as I said 720x480 isn't officially supported. With recent firmware, there is an extra option to specify input types but I don't know if this applies to RGBHV input (by definition I'd have thought it should always be fixed to RGB). I don't use this input any more so I can't tell right now.

Since this thread isn't an official DVDO support thread I urge you to contact them about this.

Out of curiosity, since higher resolutions work, is there any compelling reason to insist on using 720x480p?
post #6545 of 7060
Yes scanlines can only be applied in B1 mode (720x480). It gives the retro games that CRT look

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...g?t=1305328306
post #6546 of 7060
My EDGE (and XRGB2+) are packed up awaiting a move, so I'm going by memory here...

Can't you set the input colorspace within the advanced menu of the EDGE? I know it's there, but perhaps not functional for RGBHV?
post #6547 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

Out of curiosity, since higher resolutions work, is there any compelling reason to insist on using 720x480p?

+1 scanlines. Minimizing the amount of scaling. Perhaps an HDFury after the EDGE if your display is a VGA CRT etc...

Many possibilities for wanting to remain at 720x480.
post #6548 of 7060
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Originally Posted by HDgaming42 View Post

My EDGE (and XRGB2+) are packed up awaiting a move, so I'm going by memory here...

Can't you set the input colorspace within the advanced menu of the EDGE? I know it's there, but perhaps not functional for RGBHV?

Nope the "Input Color Space" and "Input Colorimetry" menus are grayed out when using RGBHV.
post #6549 of 7060
When you have the colorspace output set to Auto isn't the Edge supposed to detect the source input and change that accordingly? I had always wondered why my input always said Component and apparently it isn't changing from YCbCr444 to RGB on the Xbox 360 unless I set the Output color space to RGB and then of course it affects the non-RGB sources.

When I go to info it even says input color space RGB and output YCbCr444 even with the input color space actually set to RGB.
post #6550 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

Nope the "Input Color Space" and "Input Colorimetry" menus are grayed out when using RGBHV.

Damn. I would *think* that would be easy enough to fix. Let me hop back on the beta-team forum over at DVDO and suggest that...as...a....

post #6551 of 7060
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

A standard Figure-8 AC lead will work, you might already have one lying around or grab one from Jaycar etc.

You mean one of these (C7/C8 coupler), if yes I've got one which is good news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_603...te-ANZS60302-6
post #6552 of 7060
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Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post


You mean one of these (C7/C8 coupler), if yes I've got one which is good news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_603...te-ANZS60302-6

Yep that's the one exactly. The socket in the Edge is a slightly different shape, squared on one side, but the standard cord still fits fine (though the cord that came with the Edge won't fit into a standard c7/c8 socket).
post #6553 of 7060
I'm having a small problem with my Edge that I was hoping someone could help me on.

I have an Oppo-93 which is connected via HDMI to my Edge. The Edge then outputs video directly to my TV via one HDMI port and the audio to my A/V receiver ( Integra DHC 9.9) via the Audio HDMi port. It is a pretty straighforward setup.

When I play an SACD from the Oppo I have set the output to DSD as suggested in the manual. The signal should then go through the DVDO and then into the Integra A/V receiver which can handle the DSD signal. When I do this however no sound signal gets to the Integra. When I connect the HDMI from the Oppo directly to the Integra the sound is just fine proving that the DSD signal is stopping at the Edge. If I set the Oppo to output the sound in PCM format the signal is fine and gets through the Edge and then to the A/V receiver without any problems.

Any ideas ? Can the Edge not handle DSD format audio ?

Aaron
post #6554 of 7060
Others may have more information, but I did a real quick look and found no mention of DSD support for the Edge. The Duo seems to support it.
post #6555 of 7060
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Originally Posted by bavaria36 View Post

I'm having a small problem with my Edge that

Can the Edge not handle DSD format audio ?

Aaron

Sometime ago I emailed DVDO and Oppo about sending DSD from a BDP 93 through my Edge to my Cary Cinema 11a via HDMI. I received a reply from DVDO or Oppo, I don't remember which, assuring me DSD is passed downstream to a processor. I await your resolution of this matter, because I've been planning to buy a BDP 93 -- my older PS3 outputs only LPCM.

db
post #6556 of 7060
I e-mailed Ken at Anchor Bay and got an immediate answer.

The DVDO Edge does not pass through DSD. I also asked him if it could be implemented via a firmware upgrade but he said it was a hardware limitation.

I guess I will just have to output PCM data from the Oppo or else bypass the Edge and go directly to the A/V receiver whenever I play SACD's.

Aaron
post #6557 of 7060
Is it known that the Duo passes DSD? If so and if I want DSD to my Cary Cinema 11a, that means I need to replace my Edge with a Duo. That would slow up replacing my PS3 with a 93.

db
post #6558 of 7060
Anyway I recently got a 43 Samsung HDTV (450 series) and I have my ps2 hooked up via component cables, basically what i'm trying to do is play 240p (ps1 games via PS2 system)) and a bunch of 480i (ps2) and some 480p (Wii) games on it that deliver superior crystal clear sharpness , I got money so buying a video box between $200 to $600 isn't much of a problem, but the problem is with so many choices out there, what do you truly recommend I get? I am looking between a DVDO Edge which I hear are good or the so called VP50Pro so with those in mind here is the real decision making question, can either the VP50Pro or DVDO Edge be connected to my HDTV directly? Would I need any DVI to HDMI? VGA connectors?

I am desperately looking for a way to play my ps2 and wii in it's best quality possible! Especially any retros like ps1 title. Thank You,!!

p.s. I hear the XRGB-3 is good but is that specifically for 240p content? or could I se it for superior 480i as well
post #6559 of 7060
The EDGE handles 240p VERY poorly, it looks like **** to be honest


I have tried my share of scalers and deinterlacers and that is without a doubt the worst 240p image I have ever seen. Sure it's only 6ms lag and the EDGE doesn't deinterlace or interpolate the image, but the ringing is SO bad
There is no comparison, if you want the best results for your 240p games get a XRGB-3. You should check out this page for video processors and gaming use:
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

Here is the EDGE discussion thread on the Shmups forums (gaming usage):
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic...35776&start=30

EDIT: For anything else the EDGE is pretty great though Deinterlacing 480i looks amazing if you switch off Game Mode (56ms lag though). 480i/p resolutions does have a bit too much ringing in my opinion but really this is negligible, and can only be seen when you are very close to the screen. 720p and 1080p scaling and passthough looks perfect to me
Don't worry about connecting the EDGE directly to your TV set. It will work fine this way. I have my XRGB-3 hooked up the the RGBHV input of the EDGE and it's a very good combo for all possible video game usages (XRGB for 240p, EDGE for everything else). Only problem is the smudged blue and red colors because the EDGE sees the XRGB-3's colorspace as component for some reason, but hopefully they can fix this in a future firmware release

Hope that helps.
post #6560 of 7060
Hi all,

I've been looking for something to hide black bars from certain sources (video games specially) that don't fill my Kuro 9G's screen. So far I'm looking at the Edge (priced around $400) and iScan Duo (around $1000), I've got a few questions and it would be great if someone could help me out, tried looking through this thread but it's overwhelming for a VP newbie like myself.

1- When the Edge's game mode is enabled, what kind of options am I not allowed to use during this low latency mode? i.e can I zoom in the picture and adjust the AR while in game mode?

2- How well can these processors remove the black bars from a blu-ray movie (i.e 2.39:1) and make it fill the screen, should I expect something with visible flaws or does it really do the job well like the source was created in such AR?

3- The DVDO Edge is much more tempting to me because it's less than half the price of the iScan duo and seems to have a lot of it's features, but since I'm a total VP newbie, does the iScan duo have a really good advantage over the Edge so I'd consider it? Specially for my needs which is mostly adjusting the AR via Edge's separate vertical/horizontal zooming feature and maybe enhance the picture a bit to make some older games look less jaggy.
post #6561 of 7060
1: Yes, Zoom works fine.
2: Works fine to fill the screen, although it will screw up the original aspect of the movie.
3: I have the Edge, never looked at the other one, so cannot answer anything about it.
post #6562 of 7060
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post #6563 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

The EDGE handles 240p VERY poorly, it looks like **** to be honest

I have tried my share of scalers and deinterlacers and that is without a doubt the worst 240p image I have ever seen. Sure it's only 6ms lag and the EDGE doesn't deinterlace or interpolate the image, but the ringing is SO bad
There is no comparison, if you want the best results for your 240p games get a XRGB-3. You should check out this page for video processors and gaming use:
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

Will do, I just discovered kumoh's thread, it's awesome

As for the Edge, it's a shame how it processess 240p content, bad ringing is a nono, at this I might consider getting either an HD Pro or the almighty XRGB-3 exclusively for 240p content (PS1 games via PS2)

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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

Here is the EDGE discussion thread on the Shmups forums (gaming usage):
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic...35776&start=30

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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

EDIT: For anything else the EDGE is pretty great though Deinterlacing 480i looks amazing if you switch off Game Mode (56ms lag though). 480i/p resolutions does have a bit too much ringing in my opinion but really this is negligible, and can only be seen when you are very close to the screen. 720p and 1080p scaling and passthough looks perfect to me
Don't worry about connecting the EDGE directly to your TV set. It will work fine this way. I have my XRGB-3 hooked up the the RGBHV input of the EDGE and it's a very good combo for all possible video game usages (XRGB for 240p, EDGE for everything else). Only problem is the smudged blue and red colors because the EDGE sees the XRGB-3's colorspace as component for some reason, but hopefully they can fix this in a future firmware release

Hope that helps.

Wait, let's clear something up, so when the Edge isn't in lantency mode it has a ringing effect? Also how are the 480i/480p jaggies handled?
Also what would 56ms of lag mean for fighting games or timing games? Would it be unplayable? Any possible firmware or device to counteract this? (mainly for 240p/480i content?

Any device combination suggestions would greatly help!!
post #6564 of 7060
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Also what would 56ms of lag mean for fighting games or timing games? Would it be unplayable?

it's not as bad as it sounds, but you have to keep in mind that the delays add up. If your TV set has (just as an example) 2 frames of lag, you end up with 5.5 frames with is pretty bad.

You must also ask yourself how many 480i you're actually still playing. Yes, there are plenty of those on the PS2, but even I admit, that the number of actual 480i games I play has heavily decreased over the past years.

For timing sensitive games you can always puts the Edge into gamemode.
post #6565 of 7060
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Originally Posted by OmegaKoopa View Post

Wait, let's clear something up, so when the Edge isn't in lantency mode it has a ringing effect?

No when set to Game Mode the lag is only 6ms and the picture is great for all progressive sources. You do lose the option to change settings like edge enhancements and the like but that's not really something you'd need anyway IMO.
When deinterlacing 480i/576i sources and you set it to Game Mode the lag is still only 6ms which is very impressive, but the image will now be flickering a lot. It's actually quite similar to how the XRGB-3 handles 480i stuff. It doesn't look very nice but it's very fast

If you disable Game Mode the 480i/576i stuff will look very much like your progressive sources as the EDGE deinterlaces very nicely. This does add the before mentioned 56ms lag so I wouldn't use it for fighters or shooters. For most other genres the lag doesn't seem to bother me though, and actually I don't play any fighters or shooters that aren't 240p or 480p/higher

There are also ways to force your console to display 480i games in 480p. Usually with mixed results, sometimes the games crash or won't boot at all, but it's still worth the trouble IMO.

For the PS2 do a google search for "HDTV Player" and "GSM". Those are the two methods I use to force games into 480p. It works fine with about half my games.
post #6566 of 7060
New DVDO problem: How to fix?

Hookup:
Have all my components hooked to DVDO using HDMI.
DVDO hooked to Sharp TV using HDMI for video
DVDO hooked to Denon AVR using optical toslink for audio

Problem: One of my sources (Tivo HD series 3), has started occasionally dropping the audio when I change channels, for use 30 second skip several times in a row.

Current Solution 1: I can switch to PCM output on the Tivo, and regain stereo audio. Switching back to Dolby again cuts off the audio. Rebooting the Tivo restores the dolby audio.

Current Solution 2:I can manually switch inputs on the DVDO to another source, wait for it to lock, then switch it back to the TIVO HD, and the dolby audio is resumed.

Due to solution 2, I have to guess the problem is in the DVDO. How or what would cause it to stop outputting dolby (or passing it through, if that is what it does)? Is there any solution to make it stop cutting off the audio?

I have not noticed this happening on any of the other inputs (TIVO Premier, AZBox FTA satellite receiver, PS3, SageTV media extender).
post #6567 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Davenlr View Post

New DVDO problem: How to fix?

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Current Solution 2:I can manually switch inputs on the DVDO to another source, wait for it to lock, then switch it back to the TIVO HD, and the dolby audio is resumed.

Due to solution 2, I have to guess the problem is in the DVDO. How or what would cause it to stop outputting dolby (or passing it through, if that is what it does)? Is there any solution to make it stop cutting off the audio?

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I'd not be so sure it is the Edge that is causing the problem - plenty of people who do not own an Edge have had problems with losing audio on their TivoHDs.

I had a TivoHD and it (upon rare occasion) did similar things. My Tivo Premiere does not do seem to have the problem. When you change sources on the Edge, the Edge forces a re-sync with the Tivo. This re-sync is what fixes the audio. I assumed that the 30 sec skip is somehow causing the TivoHD to lose its HDMI session, but the Tivo is not forcing a re-sync.

As to a fix, I wonder if using a HDMI cable for audio might help? I had the problem occur infrequently enough that I didn't mind using your 'Solution 2'. You might want to check the Tivocommunity.com forums and look for posts/threads about audio drop-outs.
post #6568 of 7060
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post


No when set to Game Mode the lag is only 6ms and the picture is great for all progressive sources. You do lose the option to change settings like edge enhancements and the like but that's not really something you'd need anyway IMO.
When deinterlacing 480i/576i sources and you set it to Game Mode the lag is still only 6ms which is very impressive, but the image will now be flickering a lot. It's actually quite similar to how the XRGB-3 handles 480i stuff. It doesn't look very nice but it's very fast

If you disable Game Mode the 480i/576i stuff will look very much like your progressive sources as the EDGE deinterlaces very nicely. This does add the before mentioned 56ms lag so I wouldn't use it for fighters or shooters. For most other genres the lag doesn't seem to bother me though, and actually I don't play any fighters or shooters that aren't 240p or 480p/higher

There are also ways to force your console to display 480i games in 480p. Usually with mixed results, sometimes the games crash or won't boot at all, but it's still worth the trouble IMO.

For the PS2 do a google search for "HDTV Player" and "GSM". Those are the two methods I use to force games into 480p. It works fine with about half my games.

Hmm.. this is quite interesting, but luckily my samsung tv has a built in game mode which what I hear will reduce it to 16ms which I guess isn't so great but it does help especially since I plan to use the Edge specifically for ps2 games with game mode off. I trust the Edge will deliver excellent results for 480i/480p content

Also Ive been reading Fudoh's thread( which is awesome) and I read a review for BC PS3, from what I read, does the ps3 really handle 240p content as good as the XRGB-3? Most of the 240p that I own is for PS1 which I would plan to use an xrgb3 for. What's the difference between them as fas as interpolation goes?
post #6569 of 7060
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I read a review for BC PS3, from what I read, does the ps3 really handle 240p content as good as the XRGB-3?

it's a different approach. 240p PS2 titles aren't handled very well and 240p PS1 titles are software rendered which makes them look like emulated - comparable to the XRGB in B0 (scaling) mode.

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What's the difference between them as fas as interpolation goes?

no interpolation, neither on the PS3 nor on the XRGB-3.

Also the PS3 introduces more lag, while the XRGB and the Edge can handle 240p basically lagfree.
post #6570 of 7060
i will get Sony HX929 TV very soon.

my cable channels are very bad. my questions:
- do i need a video processor for this TV?
- will the Sony STRDH820 7.2 A/V have a good video processor? or the DVDO would be better?
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