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post #6871 of 7061
Well, ok, anything else to add? Does it function properly with the edge (ie no handshake issues, color space conversion bugs)? Is the sharpening processing redundant?
post #6872 of 7061
I have not seen any issues at all.. Picture has amazing details, the only issue that has come up and it is very minor, sometimes when you switch inputs, the screen will go all pink or green for a few seconds. Clarity and sharpness are amazing... Usually I will put something like this together and then remove and play around, but the picture looks so good, I just left it this way...
post #6873 of 7061
Thanks. Sounds like your experience was in line with some reviews (such as this one http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-darblet/ ). I'm sorta curious. Maybe not $270 curious, but at least a little curious.
post #6874 of 7061
I was too.. very happy with it, running the bdp-83 to the edge, then the Darbee, to my xbr-65hx929... amazing picture quality!

Only issue I am getting is 3D from my PS3 though the Darbee.. several times the darbee menu shows up on the screen all broken up all over the screen.. did it once, then went away, now did it again today.. no idea what is causing that one.. I have the Edge set for 3D passthrough.
post #6875 of 7061
Firmware upgrade for Edge Green.

I recently bought an Edge Green, found out its firmware file is edgeg100.sii, which was created on Nov 2008, and which is not a .abt file the user manual says. And the Edge's latest firmware 162_146.abt does NOT work on Edge Green.

What firmware do you use for Edge Green?
post #6876 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by factorz View Post

Thoughts?

I maintain the Edge in my setup because I love the auto-switching so much. I'm frustrated that you cannot set it for digital-audio-only inputs (like CD players) to auto switch (it requires a video input to auto-switch), but everything else auto-switches (BDP, game system, tivo, etc), and it's fantastic.

my two cents..
..dane
post #6877 of 7061
I love the auto switching too but lately I am having a problem. When I have autoswitching selected on the remote and change channels on the cable box there are long pauses and
HDMI handshaking (apparently) issues. The channel pops on and off several times before the picture and sound stabilize. Sometimes I have to power cycle the Edge to get the
channel back. If I have the Edge source selected directly from the remote I don't have this problem. This happens whether or not I have any or all of the other devices hooked to the
Edge turned off or on. Seems like the auto switching is struggling and maybe causing handshaking issues or the Edge itself is having trouble locking onto the channel. When I first
got the Edge or even after the firmware update several months ago I never had this problem. I also replaced the cable box with not luck.

A second problem is that at times I get a fine-grained static on screen between channel changes on HD channels. If I unplug the Edge for a few minutes the problem goes away. It
only happens every few weeks but makes me worry something may be dying in my Edge.

I believe I am running the latest firmware and am going to reflash it and see if that cures the problem. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards folks.
post #6878 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post


If you're interested, here's what a 240p signal looks like on the Edge GREEN:
http://pms.hazard-city.de/edge_green_240p.mov

I assume that this issue is still around? It looks like the latest firmware listed on their support page is v1.0 from June 30, 2011. Hard to believe that something this expensive isn't supported.
post #6879 of 7061
FYI

Have an original DVDO Edge. Power supply went out on this unit. Called DVDO and they wanted $300.00 to fix it. They would not sell me just the power supply.

Looked online and found a suitable replacement.

Ordered it from Allied Electronics
Mfr. Part#: LFVLT60-1000
Allied Stock#: 70059478

Cost was around $50.00 plus shipping.

It puts out 5 volts at 12 amps. (The original put out 5 volts at 8 amps.) It is the same size as the original. The new one has a 6 pin connector for the output voltage. You just use pins 1-4 from the original connector.
post #6880 of 7061
How does the edge compare to HQV Vida, scaling up to 1080p and 1080i to 1080p? Thanks in advance.
post #6881 of 7061
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

How does the edge compare to HQV Vida, scaling up to 1080p and 1080i to 1080p? Thanks in advance.
Very well, IMHO.

FWIW, I removed the Edge from the stack after upgrading the receiver to a Yamaha RX-A2010 w/ the HQV Vida 1900. I'm missing some of the fine tuning that the Edge offered, but the basic scaling and de-interlacing performance is comparable as both do a great job IMHO.
post #6882 of 7061
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Originally Posted by dannocron View Post

FYI
Have an original DVDO Edge. Power supply went out on this unit. Called DVDO and they wanted $300.00 to fix it. They would not sell me just the power supply.
Looked online and found a suitable replacement.
Ordered it from Allied Electronics
Mfr. Part#: LFVLT60-1000
Allied Stock#: 70059478
Cost was around $50.00 plus shipping.
It puts out 5 volts at 12 amps. (The original put out 5 volts at 8 amps.) It is the same size as the original. The new one has a 6 pin connector for the output voltage. You just use pins 1-4 from the original connector.

Same here-- DVDO Edge (not Green) .. Wife called today to say that there was nothing on the TV.. just black.. Got home, very faint, rapid clicking. Opened her up and found the little green LED blinking about 10 times per second with a faint clicking.. It was only outputting about 1.2V.. Zed's Dead, Baby.

Thank you SO much for sharing your finding. I just finished emailing DVDO then came here and saw your post. While I was hoping something more along the lines of $30 shipped, $50 is still better than buying a whole new Edge.

How did you narrow down the selection to this particular unit? Does the original power supply have a PN indicated on it detailing how much current output it supported? That was one of my emailed questions to DVDO (how much output current required)..

Bad timing for me (almost Christmas and big plans for the family visiting in 2 weeks!), hopefully I'll be able to get 'r fixed in time.

cheers,
..dane

EDIT-- I see the label now on the large brown cap:

CINCON ELECTRONICS CO, LTD
PN: CFM60S050
INPUT: 100-240V~
1.4A, 47-63Hz
OUTPUT: 5Vdc/8A
LEVEL 3

Quick google reveals that Mouser has 134pcs on-hand for $35+sh in small qty.
Edited by audiodane - 12/12/12 at 9:13pm
post #6883 of 7061
This might not be the right place, but does anybody know if DVDO is beta testing their upcoming Quick6 HDMI switch?

I'd love to take a look at this product and compare it with a few other similar ones on the market...
post #6884 of 7061
Good find. That power supply looks like the same unit that was used!
post #6885 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by dannocron View Post

Good find. That power supply looks like the same unit that was used!

smile.gif It is! I looked at the part number on the one I pulled out.. Cincon CFM60S050.. Then googled it. smile.gif

..dane
post #6886 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by balboarules View Post

I was too.. very happy with it, running the bdp-83 to the edge, then the Darbee, to my xbr-65hx929... amazing picture quality!
Only issue I am getting is 3D from my PS3 though the Darbee.. several times the darbee menu shows up on the screen all broken up all over the screen.. did it once, then went away, now did it again today.. no idea what is causing that one.. I have the Edge set for 3D passthrough.

Hi, just a question for you, how does your HD cable look with the edge green and darbee? I also have the darbee and the picture looks excellent. I'm just wondering if one would benefit even more by adding the edge green as well.
post #6887 of 7061
I thought I would update everyone on my power supply research..
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiodane View Post

CINCON ELECTRONICS CO, LTD
PN: CFM60S050
INPUT: 100-240V~
1.4A, 47-63Hz
OUTPUT: 5Vdc/8A
LEVEL 3
Quick google reveals that Mouser has 134pcs on-hand for $35+sh in small qty.

Well, how frustrating. The cincon part is only rated to 25% of its max power rating at 70C. For anyone whose DVDO Edge is always on because of a persistent input signal like a Tivo or DVR, you know the DVDO gets pretty hot over time, especially if its in a rack.

Anyhoo, I hooked up the DVDO to my bench power supply (with a current meter) and also went through my Fluke 189 in current mode (as a second opinion), and the highest current mode I could muster between 480i, 1080i, 1080p24, and 1080p60 input (output always set to 1080p60) was in 1080p60 mode coming from my Oppo BDP80. PReP was enabled in that mode which may have been that last little bit of power needed. In that mode (1080p60 input, 1080p60 output), the power draw was right at 2.5A at 5VDC, or, just under 15W.

Looking on Mouser, Jameco, Newark, Digikey, and a few other places, it turns out there is a better AND cheaper power supply out there, the Mean Well EPS-45-5. It's a 45W power supply, but before you get all huffy and puffy, note that in the part's datasheet the derating curve is on a 10% derating per 10degC above 40C. That puts it at 50% rated max at 70C. The original Cincon part CFM60S050 derates at 25% per 10C rise above 40C! That means that by 70C it's only rated at 25% of its original power rating! AND the EPS-45-5 part is about $10 LESS expensive! That means the Cincon part is rated only at 2A @ 70C, while the Mean Well part is rated at 3A @ 70C. And my tests clearly indicate that the DVDO operates at 2.5A while PReP'ing 1080p60 content from a 1080p24 source destined for a 1080p60 downstream display device. (There was nearly zero change in current when adding an audio-only output load to my AVR)

But... the better power supply has different connectors. And with different connectors come different contacts (pins). And with different connectors and different contacts come either a lot of headache (pliers and wire strippers and soldering iron) or a *very* expensive crimp tool.

IF it wasn't approaching Christmas, and IF I had a spare DVDO available to handle it while I did the work on the other, I would be ALL OVER that Mean Well 45W booger. It's such a better power supply-- (slightly) more typical efficiency, and better temperature derating. Alas, I don't have time with the holidays approaching to undergo that kind of surgery. There goes the "better for less money" option.. frown.gif

Back to Mouser--- Turns out if you look a little ways down, there is a Medical rated version of the Cincon part.. CFM60M050 .. costs about $10 more than the already pricier CFM60S050 part (compared to the Mean Well), but it has a slightly better derating curve than the "S" family. It is still 25% per 10degC that doesn't start until 50C instead of 40C. That gives you another 10C headroom in a hot equipment rack before the part approaches its inability to deliver the necessary current. Still not as good as the Mean Well power supply, but there's no worrying about connectors and crimp pins.

So, I've ordered one of the medical versions of the cincon part.

I've wanted for a while now to get one of those "energy saving" power strips and connect it to my TV so when the TV's off, the DVDO is turned off, but the TV is on the other side of the room-- the DVDO is in an equipment rack in a closet under the stairs. Grrr... I've been trying very hard to figure out a way to hook something like that up without going and designing something myself, but it looks like I'll have to do JUST that. Now that my DVDO Edge's power supply bit the dust (which I'm sure was due in no small part to the power supply overheating in the cramped equipment rack due to never getting a "break" but instead being on 24/7 for the past three years), I think it will be worth my while to create a remotely-controlled smart power strip. I have some ideas, just nothing CHEAP.. frown.gif

I will come back and report more after I get the new power supply in the mail..

EDIT1-- it looks like the medical version has a swapped pinout-- I will verify when I receive it. If that's the case I will detail the very simple instructions how to swap pins on the connector for others that may go the medical supply route..

EDIT2-- I failed to take pictures, I'm sorry. The pin order is actually identical between the two models. The difference is that they use a different type of connector lock that has a plastic "tab" on the one side of the standard product, and the other side of the medical product. (To be clear, some would say it is a rotated connector, and to be fair, it is. But it's a rotated connector with a swapped pinout, so the net result is that the "power" pin is in the same physical location in relation to the power supply board itself, but the "plastic tab" that the other connector uses is now on the opposite side of the connector housing.) Anyway, all I ended up doing was taking a very sharp knife (exacto blade or box cutters) and cutting off the tab. Pin spacing is the same, old cable fits on new prongs just fine. I actually ended up making myself a new power connector because I happened to have that molex connector in stock and the terminals and the crimp tool. I did not have the right terminals and crimper on-hand for the Mean Well power supply, however. sigh. My old power cable was very stiff and brittle from whatever had happened to the old power supply, which is why I had to make a new one. Anyway, trimming off the header tab from the power supply PCB (both the input power header and the output power header) worked just fine.. Careful with forcing an extremely sharp blade through tough molded plastic, though- a quick slip and off goes your head! (or thumb) --> Just be sure the cable you hookup is connecting to "+5V" on the large, green, DVDO video board and to "+Vout (or Vo+ or something like that) on the power supply board. Likewise, "GND" on the DVDO circuit board should connect to the "Vo-" or "-Vout" on the power supply board.

cheers,
..dane
Edited by audiodane - 1/7/13 at 11:10am
post #6888 of 7061
I posted a thread a week or two ago about the N64 and the DVDO EDGE Green, and thanks to Fudoh, I learned about the 240p bug (and that 240p exists, I always thought composite == interlaced). So I called DVDO, and spoke to a technical support guy. He said they are "aware" of the problem, and will fix it in the next firmware update... yet they don't know when the next firmware update will come out. So I guess this whole "one HDMI" thing isn't going to happen, since now I need to run composite to my TV, and analog audio to my AVR just for the one console (I don't have a real SNES, only through the Wii). I'm kind of mad that the "one HDMI" and SD video scaling features that they sell don't work for older console owners because of this problem.

Also, I have several sources on composite plus a Wii (component) that all need analog audio input. Right now, I'm trying to use an analog to digital audio adapter to input the audio through optical on the DVDO EDGE, but as of yet, I haven't gotten it working yet. Can I just use the analog audio inputs on the EDGE GREEN for both component and composite video inputs and use an external analog switch to switch audio between sources? Yes, that requires another step, but it would actually simplify my setup, and is adequate for sources that aren't often used.
post #6889 of 7061
And it gets even better. This thing can't even handle my VCR- which apparently outputs in 240p as well. Greeeeeeaaaaaaat job, DVDO.
post #6890 of 7061
Or I could just get one of these things and call it a day:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011406&p_id=7111&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

The DVDO EDGE will have to take the upscaled 720p and work on it, but whatever. It's not like I'm expecting 1080p quality from an N64...
post #6891 of 7061
I just bought a new DVDO Edge Green, but it seems to do absolutely nothing:
  • I connect my sources to the Edge Green through hdmi, the output via hdmi (video/audio) to my beamer (a Panasonic PT-AT 6000e), the toslink audio to my DAC, than power up the Edge Green -> nothing happens, except that the front led on the Edge is illuminated (solid red). The Panasonic keeps searching for an input signal, audio remains dead silent. With sources connected to a hdmi switch I formerly used (using the same hdmi cables as with the Edge Green), everything functions normally.
  • The Edge Green doesn't seem to respond to the remote control (no response to manual input selection, no response to the 'menu' key, no response to the 'power' or 'standby' button...
  • I noticed a newer firmware version on the DVDO-site, was able to connect the Edge Green to my computer, where it shows up as a USB-device, deleted the old firmware file and copied the new firmware file to the DVDO (green led flashing for a couple of seconds). After disconnecting the usb-cable, I reconnect the DVDO to the computer again, and check the firmware version... which is again the old version! The DVDO acts like it did before: it does nothing!

Do I have to conclude that my unit is broken, or am I doing something wrong? I also contacted DVDO (webformular) a couple of days ago, but I didn't recieve an answer yet.
post #6892 of 7061
Sounds broke to me. The red light would indicate that the Edge doesnt have a 'good' input signal. It would go green when it locks on.
post #6893 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiodane View Post

I thought I would update everyone on my power supply [snip]
I will come back and report more after I get the new power supply in the mail..
..dane

Amazingly detailed and helpful - thanks audiodane
post #6894 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

Sounds broke to me. The red light would indicate that the Edge doesnt have a 'good' input signal. It would go green when it locks on.

I thought "blue" was lock on a good signal, and blinking blue was lock on a good input signal, but no downstream device active to send it to (TV off), or HDCP not on (TV off), or something like that.. ?

..dane
post #6895 of 7061
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

Amazingly detailed and helpful - thanks audiodane

No problem.. I updated the post above with the final power connector information.. Simple, really, just trim off the header tabs on the two power supply connectors (120Vin and +5Vout) and reconnect in the exact same orientation as before. Simply checking the markings on the PCB itself is a safe assurance that you got it right. (Vo+ to +5V and Vo- to GND)

cheers,
..dane
post #6896 of 7061
Yeah... I should have said Blue... not Green. I have a regular Edge so there could be some differences there too... But the fact that there is no link to the display and Fail Safe doesnt bring up a good link (I assumed he tried Fail Safe mode) it sure sounds like the Edge is pretty 'dead'. I havent seen a blinking blue... Ill have to try that.
post #6897 of 7061
I'm pretty sure blinking blue is what mine shows with my TV outputting a solid signal but the downstream device (TV or AVR) is off.. But I'm not at home to verify.. sorry.
post #6898 of 7061
Does the original Edge with the latest firmware have any issues with 240p?

Edit: Also, does the original Edge handle 1080/24p input and or output?
Edited by oryan_dunn - 1/7/13 at 1:58pm
post #6899 of 7061
Yes, I tried Fail Safe mode (meaning I pushed this button on the remote control). Since I have the impression that the Edge Green doesn't respond to the remote, nothing happened...

According to DVDO's website, the color code of the led is:

EDGE power LED color table:
LED Description
Off Standby Mode
Red No Signal Received
Green Unknown/Unsupported Signal Received
Blue EDGE is processing the input

Another strange issue: after attemping to write the new firmware to the DVDO using a Windos computer, the power led is first off, than red. When I do the same using a linux machine (Ubuntu 12.04), the power led turns green...

Anyhow, I contacted the distributor in Germany, and I will return the unit to them. Thanks everybody for replying!
post #6900 of 7061
Quote:
Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

Does the original Edge with the latest firmware have any issues with 240p?
Edit: Also, does the original Edge handle 1080/24p input and or output?

240p- I don't recall. Fudoh knows better than the back of his hand. He's got plenty of information on his site about it (I'm sure you've already found it).. careful though, it causes even DVDO fanboys to start questioning how to obtain video bliss..

1080p24, no problem. I have original edge fed by an oppo bdp80 and it accepts 1080p24 and 1080p60 just fine..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thago View Post

Yes, I tried Fail Safe mode (meaning I pushed this button on the remote control). Since I have the impression that the Edge Green doesn't respond to the remote, nothing happened...
According to DVDO's website, the color code of the led is:
EDGE power LED color table:
LED Description
Off Standby Mode
Red No Signal Received
Green Unknown/Unsupported Signal Received
Blue EDGE is processing the input
Another strange issue: after attemping to write the new firmware to the DVDO using a Windos computer, the power led is first off, than red. When I do the same using a linux machine (Ubuntu 12.04), the power led turns green...
Anyhow, I contacted the distributor in Germany, and I will return the unit to them. Thanks everybody for replying!

sorry you had so much trouble with it.. seems weird to me.. maybe it is just a defective unit. DVDO's aren't perfect (and are lacking a few basic features that I'd love to have), but for what they are, and their price point, they're still quite fantastic.

..dane
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