New DVDO EDGE !! - Page 8

Is the 3D DNR user adjustable and/or saved per input?

Josh, another point I would love to have some clarification on. This one relates to "Display Profiles" which I note the EDGE does not appear to have, although mention of some sort of equivalent functionality has been mentioned in this thread.

Specifically, can I do what I am now doing with my VP50 as detailed below? The reason I am keen on the EDGE is that I would gain MNR, FD and EE without having to upgrade to a Pro.

Hi Josh,

Well, I set about doing this and I can report complete success. It will even switch/register an input change between 1080p50, 1080p60 and 1080p24 on the same input .

I found it much easier to actually have all my inputs active and then select each one in turn before setting/adjusting all the parameters I wanted/needed to and then allocating it to a profile. Trying to set it up without doing it this way can lead to not being able to select some FR options/settings, which is what I was (obviously) doing wrong before.

Having a front panel display proved invaluable in doing all of this as I would often loose the display when going from one input to the next. Being able to see and set up the resolution and frame rate with the front panel display is a godsend . Just no way you can do that with a Radiance XD (I had one for a while) which has no display at all.

It's really amazing really what can be customised with this thing (VP50). I now have 10 profiles set up, dealing with input resolutions between 480i, 576i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p50/60/24 running over 5 input sources and outputting 1080p/50/60/24, with each input locked to the incoming source Frame Rate.

Link to original post here.

Thanks.

Josh, a question about the EDGE and its deinterlacing capabilities if I may, hopefully you have some useful information.

I own a large collection of anime on DVD and am not planning to upgrade it all to Bluray. So I need a good scaler that will properly deinterlace anime. Which isn't always very straightforward as anime isn't always using standard cadence.

Add to this that I purchase my discs in France (PAL standard), which have been transcoded from NTSC to PAL to result in a right mess for any deinterlacer to get through.

They look fine on a CRT screen, but I notice glitches when played back using a PC and WinDVD. And I don't like the results I see on a large Sony LCD screen.

I was advised to buy the latest Oppo DVD player, which uses an ABT chipset, but then I read it has some problems with PAL discs in general.

How do you expect the EDGE to handle this kind of material? Is it an option for me to look at?

Thanks!

Neko

Does the EDGE have the "image shift" feature ? (i.e. shifting a 2.35 image within a 16:9 frame. This had been available in your VPs since the HD+ time)

Thanks.

Thanks Josh, that is great when can the EDGE be purchased.

I have read the first page a couple times but, still can't figure out if this thing allows separate settings for each input?

See Josh's post above.

Wow. This processor is just what I need for my family room. I will have a 1080p LCD display (currently 768.) I need it's switching capability, as I'm out of inputs on my current tv, and one of the ones I'm looking at only has one HDMI input. I have 3 HDMI sources (DVR, HD-A3, BDP-S301) one component (Wii), one s-video (CLD-703 Laserdisc), and one composite (VCR). I'll also upgrade my AVR to an HDMI 1.3 unit with all the decoding capabilities, but with the Edge's optical out I can survive with the older audio codecs. (I am now.)

I have a CIH front projector setup in the basement with a high-end scaler (Crystalio II), so I know what a difference in PQ one of these devices makes, but didn't need all the adjustably upstairs.

Thanks DVDO. I couldn't see spending the money for another high-end scaler when I didn't need all the features. The Edge should also help with my overly-compressed Comcast cable signal, especially when I get the bigger display. (I'm going from 37" to 52 or 65".)

I would be in the same boat, how hard is it to switch in and out of game mode?

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Josh, do you have answers to my questions ?

Thanks

Richard.

This sounds like it's going to be a must-have product, especially if you live in PAL territories, as most displays do a poor job deinterlacing PAL signals. I have a few questions though:

Firstly, is there any chance of getting 48Hz output added to the box? None of my current displays will take 1080p24, but I can send 48Hz to a CRT.

Secondly, is the processing done in 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 colour? MPEG video may be 4:2:0, but games are 4:4:4 and the difference is noticeable in my setup.

Thirdly, you say the game mode is less than a frame' for processing. Is that less than 16ms (many games are 60fps) or 32ms?

Thanks.

The specs sound top notch,but....and i know i am going to get dog piled on for this but i feel something like this really needs a basic test pattern to make sure its adjusted properly..I know josh said it wont happen,something for DVDO to think about......not everyone is tech smart and the general public would greatly benefit form the ability to see what they are adjusting and if its correct.You know when the customer has the guess work taken out of the setup,DVDO is the winner in the end= word of mouth goes fare.This means more sales=more profit .last 0 competition.I deal with the general public everyday making things fool proof makes good business sence.Just my 2 cents.

Bear

The problem is there is no one pattern. You need a number of them. Then you are not adjusting the EDGE but your display.

Use one of the available calibration disks to fine tune your display. You then use the EDGE to tweek each input to your liking.

Interestingly if we take 10 people on this thread who only want the one additional feature to make them happy and add them then the EDGE becomes a VPxx and no longer costs $799.

I agree. I think people might be underestimating the amount of complexity and work that would need to go into built-in test patters. What patterns? Just a "simple" 1:1 pixel mapping/overscan test pattern would need to work at: at least 1080p60, 1080p24, 1080i60, 720p60, and if I understand the "auto resolution by device preferred EDID" feature, then also at arbitrary resolutions and frame rates. Not simple to get that exactly right. Then you get into any color based patterns - YCbCr 4:2:2, YCbCr 4:4:4, RGB 4:4:4, etc would be needed, because you don't know what the display might or might not accept depending on the EDID it sends. I have found that while VP built-in test patterns are useful to me, they are not essential as you need calibration disks anyway to see the whole video chain.

I just want it to work Hopefully Josh has good news for me.

Neko

Josh,

Will the EDGE have any technology to deal with MPEG compression artifacts? Mosqito noise is somewhat noticeable on my DirecTV feed but the MPEG compression artifacts are THE most bothersome to me, and would be great to get rid of.

Josh:

It looks like you're doing a good job of wrapping a video processor around the new scaler IC

I'm sorry if this is a reask from earlier -- I'm wondering if the Edge is capable of doing frame rate conversion, ie taking 1080i60 material that's been telecined and pass back the original 24p content? This would be very good for those of us that have a fair number of HD movies from the premium movie channels that haven't made it to high definition media yet.

Also, I love the audio only out.

Best,

Which one is better looking on paper DVDO's newly announced EDGE or Gefen TV Scaler Pro with Realta?