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post #3001 of 6977
Depends on their (and your) definition of "highest quality video" and "Dramatically Improves". Your best bet is to buy a returnable unit IMO.
post #3002 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Depends on their (and your) definition of "highest quality video" and "Dramatically Improves". Your best bet is to buy a returnable unit IMO.

I will look into a returnable unit . I noticed in your setup you list the DVDO V50
Did it improve you video a lot ? Do you think the V50 is better than the edge ?
post #3003 of 6977
The VP50 is on my HT setup and yes I like it. Yes it is better than the Edge and should be for the cost. It is a lot more customizable for more complex setups.
post #3004 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

The VP50 is on my HT setup and yes I like it. Yes it is better than the Edge and should be for the cost. It is a lot more customizable for more complex setups.

I did a quick search and I can pick up a refurbishment VP50 for 200 more than the edge . In your experience with both units is it worth the extra cost . I am mainly trying to improve my Directv signal and watch DVD's from time to time
but most of the time it is TV we watch . My TV is the Sony SXRD 2000 60"
Thanks
post #3005 of 6977
Again don't expect a whole lot with SD broadcast TV but if you feel confident about the the condition of the VP50 for 200 more I would sure go for it speaking for myself.
post #3006 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Again don't expect a whole lot with SD broadcast TV but if you feel confident about the the condition of the VP50 for 200 more I would sure go for it speaking for myself.

Although.....

with the SXRD, is he going to need the extra features and flexibility of the VP50? and, possibly, could he be better served with an Edge, taking advantage of the MNR and EE, DE?

just throwing that out, since I've pretty much replaced my VP50 with the Edge. The VP50 is primarily being used as a toslink to coax digital audio convertor in my 2nd theater. - really - if I had a 2nd Edge, I'd be using it, for sure, instead of the VP50.

the 50 is far better for custom resolutions and timings - which, afaik, are of prime importance when dealing with CRT pjs...

Me - if I could flog my 50 for a few hundred more than an Edge, shoot - I'd be jumping at it.

My 2 cents - as they say, YMMV.
post #3007 of 6977
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

Although.....

with the SXRD, is he going to need the extra features and flexibility of the VP50? and, possibly, could he be better served with an Edge, taking advantage of the MNR and EE, DE?

Although.....

How many times have you seen where people are leaving those at 0 because they see little or no affect? And he says he watches a lot of SD broadcast so there is the scaling issue. Come to think of it most of the time you see people fooling with those settings they're trying to get rid of the damn ringing.

Feel free to disagree.
post #3008 of 6977
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Originally Posted by bowlbyd View Post

Aaron,

Great advice, the 1:1 Frame rate worked as advertised. Unfortunately, the color space is still coming through as 8 bit and not 12 bit no matter which color space I choose. Do you have the same projector/setup (i.e. PS3) and are you getting 12 bit color?

Thanks again.

I think it outputs in 10 bit at 422. I know on mine it shows as 8 bit for RGB and 444, but 422 doesn't show the bit depth in my Denon 3808. It does it's internal processing in 422 and at 10bit(if i remember correctly).
post #3009 of 6977
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

Although.....

with the SXRD, is he going to need the extra features and flexibility of the VP50? and, possibly, could he be better served with an Edge, taking advantage of the MNR and EE, DE?

just throwing that out, since I've pretty much replaced my VP50 with the Edge. The VP50 is primarily being used as a toslink to coax digital audio convertor in my 2nd theater. - really - if I had a 2nd Edge, I'd be using it, for sure, instead of the VP50.

the 50 is far better for custom resolutions and timings - which, afaik, are of prime importance when dealing with CRT pjs...

Me - if I could flog my 50 for a few hundred more than an Edge, shoot - I'd be jumping at it.

My 2 cents - as they say, YMMV.

I picked up a second EDGE with the recent sale so now I need to figure out what to do with my VP50pro.
post #3010 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

The VP50 is on my HT setup and yes I like it. Yes it is better than the Edge and should be for the cost. It is a lot more customizable for more complex setups.

Could you expound on that a bit? Is the VP50 better than the Edge because the scaling/deinterlacing/EE/DE is better on the VP50? Or is the VP50 better because it is more customizable?

Brian
post #3011 of 6977
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Originally Posted by bowlbyd View Post

B&H is great because they have a no hassle return policy and you can contact EDGE directly for technical support.

Hidef Lifestyles/Amazon charged me 15% to return mine, $90 plus $27 postage.
post #3012 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

SD DVD is the sweet spot for these processors and there is some improvement there. For the overly compressed SD broadcast signals the picture is actually worse on my Panasonic 1080p plasma which seems to have better processing than the Edge for these signals. For all HD, broadcast or otherwise, I see no improvement. As I have said before I believe the processing in both sources and displays is getting a lot better these days.

I am seriously considering the Edge myself to get the most out of my sources. However after having read above (and other) statements in this thread I feel unsure to what the benefit would be since the emphasis here is entirely HD - no standard analogue SD TV here anymore.
I guess in the end it all boils down to which device offers the better solution as to deinterlacing and scaling - I feel the PQ is already very good - and therefore it is a different story for every one of us.
Sources here:
BDP-51FD (Blu Ray)
XE1 (XA2 - HD&SD DVD)
ADB-5810CX (SD-HD Cable box)
all connected via HDMI to a calibrated Panasonic TH50PZ70 (1080p).

I do not know what SoC is exactly used in the ADB cable box put PQ wise both Pioneer (propriatary SoC) and Toshiba (Reon) offer outstanding results.
Has anyone been able to determine if there is any improvement in comparable setups with having an Edge in the chain? What do you guys think?
post #3013 of 6977
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Originally Posted by ghislain View Post

I am seriously considering the Edge myself to get the most out of my sources. However after having read above (and other) statements in this thread I feel unsure to what the benefit would be since the emphasis here is entirely HD - no standard analogue SD TV here anymore.
I guess in the end it all boils down to which device offers the better solution as to deinterlacing and scaling - I feel the PQ is already very good - and therefore it is a different story for every one of us.
Sources here:
BDP-51FD (Blu Ray)
XE1 (XA2 - HD&SD DVD)
ADB-5810CX (SD-HD Cable box)
all connected via HDMI to a calibrated Panasonic TH50PZ70 (1080p).

I do not know what SoC is exactly used in the ADB cable box put PQ wise both Pioneer (propriatary SoC) and Toshiba (Reon) offer outstanding results.
Has anyone been able to determine if there is any improvement in comparable setups with having an Edge in the chain? What do you guys think?

I did an A/B with laserdiscs and reported results in a previous post. The Edge gave a deeper black than feeding the TV directly (a PRO-111, no slouch itself). That was the most obvious thing to me.
post #3014 of 6977
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Originally Posted by 02fx4dude View Post

Could you expound on that a bit? Is the VP50 better than the Edge because the scaling/deinterlacing/EE/DE is better on the VP50? Or is the VP50 better because it is more customizable?

Brian

It's a mix. EE/DE, etc. made little difference for me. Scaling has issues in the Edge that can not be fixed because it is in hardware not firmware. To me, the deinterlacing in both is excellent. Yes the VP50 is much more customizable (resolutions per output, etc., check their web site). Again, the VP50 costs a lot more. Much depends on the complexity of your setup and what you want out of a video processor. There is also competition. There is currently one very knowledgeable contributor to this thread playing in another ballpark. There is competition from processors in source devices, displays and even AVRs. The ability to audition a device would be the ideal situation to be in. All just one little IMHO. There are many other, differing opinions. Me - I like my VP50.
post #3015 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Maier2505 View Post

Hi, Larry !

Yes, it was the same with 1.0...

But 1.1 fixed some audio dropout issues for me.

I would really love to get a manual choice of the deinterlacing mode to try to fix that.

And as the EDGE would still be not able to handle special resolutions, there would still be a significant difference to the VP50...

BTW: I still have trouble to mail to edgesupport@dvdo.com.
As soon as I try to write some more words, the mailbot stops it.

Thank you for giving my problem some thoughts !

Best regards and Merry Christmas !

maier2505

@LThom

Hi, Larry !

Meanwhile I am able to put out 576i to the EDGE...
And it still has big problems to log the Deinterlacer on the Video Content.

Currently I am forced to use the STBs internal Deinterlacer to make the EDGE work with PAL. And that can not be the solution if I invested in an external video processor...

Please go for a quick solution concerning the manual selection of a deinterlacing mode.

I would like to offer being a beta tester for such a Firmware version:-)

Best regards

maier2505
post #3016 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

It's a mix. EE/DE, etc. made little difference for me. Scaling has issues in the Edge that can not be fixed because it is in hardware not firmware. To me, the deinterlacing in both is excellent. Yes the VP50 is much more customizable (resolutions per output, etc., check their web site). Again, the VP50 costs a lot more. Much depends on the complexity of your setup and what you want out of a video processor. There is also competition. There is currently one very knowledgeable contributor to this thread playing in another ballpark. There is competition from processors in source devices, displays and even AVRs. The ability to audition a device would be the ideal situation to be in. All just one little IMHO. There are many other, differing opinions. Me - I like my VP50.

If only I had the possibility of trying out one or several VP's in my chain
Which VP are you referring to when talking about competition?
Just noticed from the post above that PAL handling is not glitch free either.
Should I just forget about the whole thing?
post #3017 of 6977
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Originally Posted by ghislain View Post

Which VP are you referring to when talking about competition?

Well this thread is really about the Edge within the Video Processors forum.
post #3018 of 6977
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Originally Posted by 02fx4dude View Post

Is the VP50 better than the Edge because the scaling/deinterlacing/EE/DE is better on the VP50?
Brian

NO. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to get rid of their old VP50/pro.

Based on my eyes, personal experience, and more importantly, what has been stated from Anchor Bay personnel, the scaling and dl engines are identical between the 50Pro and the Edge. So only differences are in the feature sets, and firmware implementation.

Since it is older, there is one instance where the VP50 is superior to the Edge or VP50 Pro. I'd have to chase thru the threads to find the reference, but its a known Pro bug handling 1080i. (I believe - I'm sure open to correction on this.)

But point is - the hardware is same on all three - the expensive ones simply have more options enabled, while the Edge has the EE and NR of the Pro.
There is NO EE or NR of any shape or form in the VP50. One reason why I jumped on the Edge for 1/3 the money.

If you don't want/need the EE and NR, if you need or want the custom timings - and it is the same money, grab a VP50, and hope it doesn't break - since remember, a new Edge will come with a warranty. With your setup, it seems like an easy choice to make; as Gary states, there are other options, but few at this price point.

Heck - of course there are other players - should Lumagen want to sell me a Radiance for 800 bucks, - duh! But that's so far off point and off topic -
post #3019 of 6977
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

NO. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to get rid of their old VP50/pro.

Based on my eyes, personal experience, and more importantly, what has been stated from Anchor Bay personnel, the scaling and dl engines are identical between the 50Pro and the Edge. So only differences are in the feature sets, and firmware implementation.

Since it is older, there is one instance where the VP50 is superior to the Edge or VP50 Pro. I'd have to chase thru the threads to find the reference, but its a known Pro bug handling 1080i. (I believe - I'm sure open to correction on this.)

But point is - the hardware is same on all three - the expensive ones simply have more options enabled, while the Edge has the EE and NR of the Pro.
There is NO EE or NR of any shape or form in the VP50. One reason why I jumped on the Edge for 1/3 the money.

If you don't want/need the EE and NR, if you need or want the custom timings - and it is the same money, grab a VP50, and hope it doesn't break - since remember, a new Edge will come with a warranty. With your setup, it seems like an easy choice to make; as Gary states, there are other options, but few at this price point.

Heck - of course there are other players - should Lumagen want to sell me a Radiance for 800 bucks, - duh! But that's so far off point and off topic -


My VP50pro has no problems handling 1080i, nor does the EDGE.
post #3020 of 6977
"Precision Deinterlacing of Standard Definition and High Definition signals to give the highest quality video from all interlaced sources including most cable, satellite and over-the-air broadcasts"

How do connect the Edge with an antenna OTA system?
post #3021 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Scottyman View Post

"Precision Deinterlacing of Standard Definition and High Definition signals to give the highest quality video from all interlaced sources including most cable, satellite and over-the-air broadcasts"

How do connect the Edge with an antenna OTA system?

I have a PC tuner card connected to the Edge via HDMI. Programming that originates in 720p and 1080i looks really good thru the Edge, as long as it hasn't been compressed too much. Stuff that is being scaled by the broadcasters can look really bad. I was watching Family Guy the other day which (I think) is upscaled by the local broadcaster to 720p and it looked worse thru the Edge than if it went straight to the TV.

I assume results would be similar with a stand alone tuner box.

Brian
post #3022 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Scottyman View Post

"Precision Deinterlacing of Standard Definition and High Definition signals to give the highest quality video from all interlaced sources including most cable, satellite and over-the-air broadcasts"

How do connect the Edge with an antenna OTA system?

I use HDMI for all my OTA sources.
post #3023 of 6977
Apart from the pc tuner card how would you connect the antenna cable to the Edge?
No HDMI out on my TV. Only 2 In.
Is there an antenna/coaxial to HDMI adapter in existence?
Antenna>Edge>TV
post #3024 of 6977
I think you are missing the fact that you need a OTA tuner. The Edge is not a tuner. I use an old DirecTV Sony SAT box that had an OTA tuner in it. You need something like that.

Or were going to try going out of the TV into the Edge and back to the TV?
post #3025 of 6977
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Doesn't your sound processor handle delays? I know my last few receivers had adjustable audio delays. And currently that is how I delay the audio from my components. Although I could do it through the EDGE in my setup if I wanted to.
Otherwise if the processor doesn't have an audio delay, they used to sell a separate device to handle that job.

I hooked up the Blu-ray sound through the EDGE now, so that I can correct lip sync issues. Blu-ray is hooked to the EDGE using coax, output from EDGE to Krell via Optical. However, now I hear a "chirping" sound from time to time when watching certain movies (e.g. Incredible Hulk, Jumper). Also, the sounds seems to be choppy. I use Monster cables for audio connections. Has anyone experienced these issues? If so, how can I resolve the issues?

Thanks and happy new year.
post #3026 of 6977
I'm running a setup with a fixed anamorphic lens (CH). I read that this unit will do the vertical expansion, but what about horizontal squeeze for 4:3 and 16:9 on a fixed A-lens setup on 2.35:1 screen?

Can profiles be created for quick one button aspect ratio control like the lumagen?

My main reason to get this is aspect ratio control or I'm I better of getting a lumagen hdp?
post #3027 of 6977
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Originally Posted by Monkey_Man View Post

I'm running a setup with a fixed anamorphic lens (CH). I read that this unit will do the vertical expansion, but what about horizontal squeeze for 4:3 and 16:9 on a fixed A-lens setup on 2.35:1 screen?

Can profiles be created for quick one button aspect ratio control like the lumagen?

My main reason to get this is aspect ratio control or I'm I better of getting a lumagen hdp?

I'm not familiar with the Lumagen but my understanding is that it will give you finer-grained control over Aspect.

This does not mean the Egde is not useful in this repect just that there are a few caveats. There are some posts in this thread in the 2.35 forum that might be of value.

ted
post #3028 of 6977
Hi.

When I connect my STB (it doesn't have HDMI output) sound output trough coax to EDGE, most of the time changing chanels I get audio dropouts, with the sound output either way through HDMI video to TV or HDMI audio to my AVR (so, it is not the AVR fault).

The workaround is to change to another chanel and switch back to the previous chanel to get the sound back, sometimes it doesn't work either and I have to turn off EDGE to get the sound back.
If I use the analog stereo output it works perfectly all the time.

I did the firmware upgrade. I haven't used the digital coax sound before the upgrade, so I can't say if it was the same before.

The digital coax or optical sound works normally coming from my Oppo 981HD (these are the only two sources I use for now).

Has anyone experienced this issue? Do I have a faulty unit? I will appreciate any input on this, please.

Thanks.

Have a nice new year, for everybody here on AVS.
post #3029 of 6977
I would like to take this opportunity to extend my thanks to Lawrence and Ken at ABT for the superb service offered. After upgrading to Ver 1.1 I had major HDCP problems (I’m in a PAL country) and Ken kindly sent me the Ver 1 updater which works flawlessly.

So I guess there is a wee PAL problem. . .
post #3030 of 6977
Just confirming what I think I know.

It looks like the Edge does not offer volume trim by input, correct? I hate to lose this feature, so I might use my AVR for audio switching. I would rather do it all through the Edge.

Thanks.
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