New DVDO EDGE !! - Page 102

You would need an OTA digital receiver such as a Samsung DTB-H260F or a DTVPAL DVR - both of these have HDMI outputs.

PM me if you want my Samsung DTB-H260F. i have cable now.

I have to wait to get a problem with my laptop fixed before I can do the upgrade. But I have been playing around on the original firmware with relatively high settings (26 - 30) on the image detail control with many hi rez photos loaded onto my PS3 and cropped from 1920x1200 to 1920x1080 from this site:

http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_b...oads/date/any/

I'm using a very revealing combination of an 8.5' wide 16x9 Hi Power screen with a JVC RS2 on high lamp. (Yes, am after as many footlamberts as I can get for this particular application). I'm pretty amazed at being able to go that high with the setting, maybe even higher, and not see ANY negative effects up close on the screen. The RS2 has very good convergence and excellent edge to edge focus.

What I see instead (with my gamma at seemingly this projector's all around sweet spot of 2.3) is the pictures take on visibibly even more depth and detail and realism as the setting is taken from 0 up to 26-30. For chuckles I have tried running other "very clean" sources through the PS3 at this same setting with motion, as with the Blu Ray mountain sequences in Planet Earth, and The Dark Knight as well. To my amazement it seems to hold up even there, with this added "apparent" depth and detail, with no side effects. Not saying I would choose this high for the detail setting for Blu Ray....just a test with pretty impressive results.

From what I have read of the enhancements with the firmware update, the "Detail" circuitry is improved even further?? Holy crap Batman Is this true? In what way/ways?

Does anyone have any observations in this particular area, please?

Thanks much

i don't think it improves the "circuitry" per se: according to DVDO (for instance see larry's announcement in post 2462 of this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post15229164 ) the firmware update just "Doubles granularity of all picture controls" . i think this means that instead of using a value of 26 you now have to use a value of 52 to get the same effect.

this is actually very helpful in brightness and contrast where the difference between 1 and 2 was so great that they really needed a 1.5 setting to allow a decent calibration. but i'm not sure it results in any important new behavior in the other picture controls.

IMO it all depends on your set up and display quality. I guess for most of the new displays with high quality video processors you might not get much improvement from EDGE.

In my set up: 2 years old LCD Samsung LN-S4095D and using satellite SD signal from a Philips STB receiver with only S-video output at 480i 60 Hz in PAL land, the improvement in PQ is jaw dropping, and I don't even have to use NR nor EE.

The difference is night and day for me, so I'm very happy with the results on my system.

My other source is an Oppo 981HD, that is already a very good quality source as everybody knows, for SD DVD, and for this one I get a very noticeable improvement including being able to watch certain good DVDs at 1080p 24Hs with fantastic quality (I imagine it would be close to the PQ quality of the Oppo 983 for DVD).

Regards.

It will depend on your setup. See my previous post. There is clearly room for improvements depending on the quality of your DirectTV receiver and your display video processor.

Most people here say that there is no improvement in SD broadcast, but my case is for sure an exception.

Regards.

Sidney

There is an improvement in my setup.

I see improvement on broadcast source using the Edge over the native deinterlacing in the Tivo HD and or the Samsung DLP. The Edge and Detail Enhancement have to be set to less than 0 on the Edge picture controls or I will get severe artifacting on some content. A particular Subway commercial comes readily to mind. It looks like the actors are wear led lighting for the seam stiching in there clothing. I run somewhere between -3 and -5 on the Edge for Edge and Detail Ehancement.

Does the new firmware allow the Edge to correctly handle 240p sources such as classic game consoles, or is the VP30 still best for this?

I have a similar problem. DVDO's recommendation was to press the recessed reset button on the back panel (which resets all settings to factory defaults). I haven't done this yet, but I guess it's worth a try.

Thanks.

I will try this too. But that is odd because I didn't change anything on sound before or after the firmware upgrade.

Setting mine up tomorrow so advice from anyone with similar situation would be much appreciated,

Hi,

as I am new in this issue maybe you can answer my question.

Is it - and when where in the menu - possible to set the framerates to a 1:1 input/output ratio?

As I am german this would mean I need

a) 50Hz for DVD and TV
b) 24Hz for BR
c) 60Hz for NTSC DVD

Any clue?

As display I use a Full HD 1920x1080 projector supporting all framerates.

Thanks for your support.

LOL, can answer on my own...

Starting with FW 1.1. Advanced menu---1:1 Framerate - enabled.

Cheers
Jo

Does anyone here use Edges 24p output?

What sort of results have you had. I did a judder test using the onboard Test-Pattern judderbar @ 24p output...and noticed that the edges of the bar flicker when it scrolls across the screen...but the bar itself does not judder or skip...is this because 24p is converted to half the 60p framrates @30p *(5:5 pulldown)

When watching a movie I do not see any abnormal juddering @ 1080p24.

Blu-Ray out a PS3 at 24p looks great with a 1:1 framerate. That's all I can tell you. I have long since given up evaluating test material. My sanity was at stake.

The picture @ 24p looked good, Fifth Element was really nice, although I did not do comparison testing with 60p and 24p...but it did have that slight film look in other words you didn't see a 60hz flicker but instead had that Lens feel to characters if I could describe it that way, where you could optically notice the lens of the camera picking up the scene / characters more than just an image being shot into the retina etc.

I have a question regarding Auto-Select output, based on EDID.

I have a 1365x768 plasma. I have extracted the EDID from my TV and I can see that in the EDID BASE data, the preferred/native resolution is 1360x768p. However, in the EDID EXTENSION ( EIA/CEA-861 ) data, the native resolution is 1280x720p.

Which of the two is the Edge most likely to use?

As I understand, the EDGE will output 720p...

Best regards

maier2505

Does anyone have an opinion as to the DVD or BD player they believe works best with the Edge and why? I'm researching an upgrade to my Marantz DV8400 and am being overwhelmed by the options out there.

The upcoming Oppo BDP-83 will use ABT processing, so that would seem a good match, but any thoughts will be welcomed. I thought I was done with research when I bought my PRO-111. Then I thought I was done when I got my Edge. Just goes to show.

Anything with "Source Direct" or some kind of native resolution output, would be good. That wayyou never have to change resolutions on our player for HD or SD and everything gets completely processed by the Edge and the player is basically a transport. The Pioneer 51 Blu player has this feature.

The Oppo would be a great player but you'd be wasting the processing either in the player or the Edge.

I want to make sure before I waste money on another HDMI cable. It looks like the Edge won't process a 1600x1050 PC signal? SXGA (which is the Edge's max PC input?) is like 12XX x 1024 right?

I have spoken with folks that run their PC's at 1440 x 900 through the Edge with no problem.

After I had the opportunity to try both the VP50 and the EDGE I was quite surprised with the picture quality of the EDGE to tell you the truth.

I tought that the VP50 would be way superior in picture quality terms (maybe because of the price point) but the EDGE to my eyes seems better. Can anyone confirm if the EDGE can pan a picture from a ps3 up or down? I mean I usually use an HTPC to view my hd movies and because I have the benq pe7700 which does not have a lens shift, to get the masking i have a drop on top of my screen and then i lower the picture to the bottom of my screen so that i have a perfect black contrast against the picture with no black bars showing. If someone has managed to get the pictuer pan without the need of zooming first please can you tell me how?

I think that the EDGE with the ps3 was fantastic and the only reason for me not to buy one and get rid of the HTPC is the panning thing. I use Zoom player on the pc and you can move the picture in any direction up down or even from side to side.

Please help me with this query so that I can confirm weather to keep this nice processor or not.

That's what I thought as well. But Larry@ABT says EDGE will actually pickup the 1360x768 resolution because it's the first detailed timing returned.

That's great news and will be ordering a unit very shortly.

In the case of your last line, I'd just think of the Edge as a hub in that case (which is part of what I was wanting when I got it anyway). I guess it would depend on whether the player or the Edge processed better.

Do you have a 51?

True, but that's alot of money to me if your not going to use the processing.

Yes, I do have the Pioneer 51. I love it.

+1... despite some of the complainers in the 51/05 thread, it's a solid player, IMO.

Brian

I reset the Edge as DVDO instructed, but it did not fix the problem. I reported this result to edgesupport@dvdo.com. I'll follow up with more info as I get it.

Anyone read my post please? Seems that my post is invisible.