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post #3061 of 6974
1/6/09 at 2:00am
I've just had a thought. If I'm using the Edge, why would it matter whether my digital front end has killer processing or not? If I were feeding the TV directly, I could see it, but I'm not so sure it's necessary in my setup. A more modest upgrade would be more appropriate (if I upgraded at all). Does anyone else think this way?
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1/6/09 at 2:17am
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post #3063 of 6974
1/6/09 at 2:21am
Please if anyone has an answer for my query please give me some feedback i posted in the previous page and no one gave me answer so please if anyone knows about panning can you give me the info?
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post #3064 of 6974
1/6/09 at 2:59am
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Originally Posted by joebuzz View Post

Please if anyone has an answer for my query please give me some feedback i posted in the previous page and no one gave me answer so please if anyone knows about panning can you give me the info?

What you want to do is use the Edge to move the output of the Edge vertically and/or horizontally on your display. Correct? If yes, then I haven't been able to find a way to do this unless I use the Edge to zoom the picture - this is useless for what I am looking to do.

I would very much like to see this feature added as I don't like to use the underscan option because I believe I lose 1:1 pixel mapping (with 1080p output), and I'm concerned the geometry may be thrown off.

I need to move my picture up a bit, and I haven't been able to find a way... Maybe someone esle knows how to accomplish this.
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post #3065 of 6974
1/6/09 at 3:33am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

What you want to do is use the Edge to move the output of the Edge vertically and/or horizontally on your display. Correct? If yes, then I haven't been able to find a way to do this unless I use the Edge to zoom the picture - this is useless for what I am looking to do.

I would very much like to see this feature added as I don't like to use the underscan option because I believe I lose 1:1 pixel mapping (with 1080p output), and I'm concerned the geometry may be thrown off.

I need to move my picture up a bit, and I haven't been able to find a way... Maybe someone esle knows how to accomplish this.

Ah finally someone has my same problem. I was not able to move the picture without zooming and usually I move the picture in all the directions using an HTPC but the main reason for me to buy this product is to eliminate the PC (quite noisey on hd material lot of processing involved) and it would be great if the black bars can be located up or down. As i said in my post i have no lens shift in my projector so this is a must for me as i only have a drop for masking on top of the screen.
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post #3066 of 6974
1/6/09 at 3:41am
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Originally Posted by joebuzz View Post

Ah finally someone has my same problem. I was not able to move the picture without zooming and usually I move the picture in all the directions using an HTPC but the main reason for me to buy this product is to eliminate the PC (quite noisey on hd material lot of processing involved) and it would be great if the black bars can be located up or down. As i said in my post i have no lens shift in my projector so this is a must for me as i only have a drop for masking on top of the screen.

I am actually losing part of my picture on the bottom. It is easiest to see when the DVDO Main Menu is displayed. The second line of text, at the bottom of the screen is slightly cut off. An example would be if the word "input" appeared on the bottom line, the straight line on the "P" is obscured, and I wind up with what looks something like a "D".
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post #3067 of 6974
1/6/09 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I am actually losing part of my picture on the bottom. It is easiest to see when the DVDO Main Menu is displayed. The second line of text, at the bottom of the screen is slightly cut off. An example would be if the word "input" appeared on the bottom line, the straight line on the "P" is obscured, and I wind up with what looks something like a "D".


Its possible that this is happening due to optical overscan of your SXRD. You could check it by using DVE DVD and see if it is the same with and without EDGE.
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post #3068 of 6974
1/6/09 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

We're not supposed to discuss pricing here but onecall is a great option. Unfortunately they are sold out ot the moment.

Another terrific option is our very own AVScience store. Just hit the link in the upper left or give them a call.

I sent an email to the AVSience store about purchasing an Edge but heard nothing back? I guess that might mean they are not interested in selling this product?
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post #3069 of 6974
1/6/09 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I've just had a thought. If I'm using the Edge, why would it matter whether my digital front end has killer processing or not? If I were feeding the TV directly, I could see it, but I'm not so sure it's necessary in my setup. A more modest upgrade would be more appropriate (if I upgraded at all). Does anyone else think this way?

Yup. thought someone else answered, but, yup.

imho, what you need is the best - most robust, etc - transport you can find. That, and one that does the best job of reading and decoding the information off the dvd, and sending it out via 480i, so the Edge (or any other processor, for that matter) can do all the work. I'm still using my Denon 1600; sometimes when I'm lazy I'll just put a dvd in my PS3, let the PS3 upscale, then the Edge scales again back to my output res. Sending 480i out of my Denon yields the best results. At least for me.

(and theoretically, getting an Oppo that sends out 480i via hdmi should be even better. But I really prefer the build quality of my Denon. ymmv)
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post #3070 of 6974
1/6/09 at 4:36pm
i have this green vertical lines issue on and off...any idea what could be the problem? overheated? The source is an HDMI DVB-C cable player.

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post #3071 of 6974
1/6/09 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

Its possible that this is happening due to optical overscan of your SXRD. You could check it by using DVE DVD and see if it is the same with and without EDGE.

You are correct - I have verified this in the past. I was hoping to be able to fix it without the use of the "underscan" feature in the Edge. All I want to do is move the picture up, then to the right a bit.
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post #3072 of 6974
1/7/09 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

You are correct - I have verified this in the past. I was hoping to be able to fix it without the use of the "underscan" feature in the Edge. All I want to do is move the picture up, then to the right a bit.

This morining i received an email from dvdo in which they stated that unfortunately you have to zoom and only then you can pan the picture up and down. It is a pity because this processor rocks and I am really looking forward to eliminate the htpc. The thing is that one day the htpc is working the next day it is not and this is really driving me mad. Anyway I just wanted to share with you my response from dvdo. I have to wait until maybe another processor comes on the market which can do this panning thing without fuss.
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post #3073 of 6974
1/7/09 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

You are correct - I have verified this in the past. I was hoping to be able to fix it without the use of the "underscan" feature in the Edge. All I want to do is move the picture up, then to the right a bit.


You may be able to do that in the service menu of the SXRD. I can (and did) with my Samsung DLP. You could probably find out in an SXRD thread over in the Display area.
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post #3074 of 6974
1/7/09 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by joebuzz View Post

This morining i received an email from dvdo in which they stated that unfortunately you have to zoom and only then you can pan the picture up and down. It is a pity because this processor rocks and I am really looking forward to eliminate the htpc. The thing is that one day the htpc is working the next day it is not and this is really driving me mad. Anyway I just wanted to share with you my response from dvdo. I have to wait until maybe another processor comes on the market which can do this panning thing without fuss.

There is no fuss. zoom then pan. No big deal. Have you put up a 1:1 pixel pattern to see how it affects it?
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post #3075 of 6974
1/7/09 at 6:38am
Seems like an interesting product. I haven't gotten into the HD realm yet but am going to this year. Thinking of going with one of the current Panny plasmas or the new ones when they come out. Too bad there's nowhere to see the Edge in action.

It seems a lot of folks that use these have projectors. I'm assuming the benefit from these is greater as the screen size gets larger. I will probably go with a 50" and be sitting anywhere from 6-10 feet away.

I have been suffering from chronic DVD purchasing for the last 10 years so I have built up a fairly large collection, and I really don't feel like replacing them all with Bluray, with a few exceptions. I take it from previous posts that SD from cable shows no real improvement. My thoughts are that something like this will improve the PQ for my DVDs, and the unit is also a nice hub for routing all my various inputs. Like mentioned in another post, there would be no need to consider an Oppo player since that would be double dipping, along with the switcher benefit.

For now at least I would be using my recently purchased PS3 for Bluray, and my 10yr old 5.1 Panasonic receiver (no routing video thru there). I guess my question is how much PQ improvement do you see on regular DVDs? I am by no means a videophile, but if it does a much better job than the PS3 I would consider buying one. Would the improvement be something that the average person would notice if they were unaware of its presence?

I know these questions are subjective, but being a single dad, I have to spend my play money wisely. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.
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post #3076 of 6974
1/7/09 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by stradovinski View Post

Thinking of going with one of the current Panny plasmas

The Edge had little or no improvement for any sources for me which I attribute to excellent Panasonic plasma video processing.
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post #3077 of 6974
1/7/09 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

There is no fuss. zoom then pan. No big deal. Have you put up a 1:1 pixel pattern to see how it affects it?

I like your approach but for me it is a very big deal. When you zoom you lose the resolution because you are zooming on the picture resolution itself. We do our best to keep the signal as clean as ever, then we zoom the image?

I think that the edge would be great if it did the pan without the zoom that was my point but the email received this morning from dvdo confirmed that i have to zoom then pan the picture. I tought i found the perfect processor but without the panning i will keep the htpc.
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post #3078 of 6974
1/7/09 at 8:16am
i am thinking of purchasing the edge - but as i am from a pal country - is the deinterlacing still a problem for the edge or is it fixed in a new firmware? thank you
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post #3079 of 6974
1/7/09 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by stradovinski View Post

Seems like an interesting product. I haven't gotten into the HD realm yet but am going to this year. Thinking of going with one of the current Panny plasmas or the new ones when they come out. Too bad there's nowhere to see the Edge in action.

It seems a lot of folks that use these have projectors. I'm assuming the benefit from these is greater as the screen size gets larger. I will probably go with a 50" and be sitting anywhere from 6-10 feet away.

I have been suffering from chronic DVD purchasing for the last 10 years so I have built up a fairly large collection, and I really don't feel like replacing them all with Bluray, with a few exceptions. I take it from previous posts that SD from cable shows no real improvement. My thoughts are that something like this will improve the PQ for my DVDs, and the unit is also a nice hub for routing all my various inputs. Like mentioned in another post, there would be no need to consider an Oppo player since that would be double dipping, along with the switcher benefit.

For now at least I would be using my recently purchased PS3 for Bluray, and my 10yr old 5.1 Panasonic receiver (no routing video thru there). I guess my question is how much PQ improvement do you see on regular DVDs? I am by no means a videophile, but if it does a much better job than the PS3 I would consider buying one. Would the improvement be something that the average person would notice if they were unaware of its presence?

I know these questions are subjective, but being a single dad, I have to spend my play money wisely. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.

Between the nice Panny plasma, the PS3 for DVD and only a 50", I think you would get little benefit from the Edge. Unless you are willing to pay the price for that extra 5% performance. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, but I felt I wanted to pay for that little extra performance. I'm sure most of my friends think I'm insane paying what the Edge cost for the little added benefit on my 50" plasma. I do plan to have a projector one day though...
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post #3080 of 6974
1/7/09 at 10:21am
i have to agree a panasonic plasma and a ps3 will cover most of your bases already. however i may as well mention that i went to test whether the edge was having a huge impact on picture quality and tried unplugging things and bypassing the edge and i quickly realized how much i had come to rely on it JUST AS A HUB. the pain of having to deal with all the individual components separately irritated me and (although i realize a single dad may not have this issue) it irritated my wife even more. it has gotten to where i cannot remove the edge whether it helps PQ or not just because it switches audio and video correctly and besides it's the only universal remote we own (and we will NEVER GO BACK to having six remotes on the coffee table).
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post #3081 of 6974
1/7/09 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

Yup. thought someone else answered, but, yup.

imho, what you need is the best - most robust, etc - transport you can find. That, and one that does the best job of reading and decoding the information off the dvd, and sending it out via 480i, so the Edge (or any other processor, for that matter) can do all the work. I'm still using my Denon 1600; sometimes when I'm lazy I'll just put a dvd in my PS3, let the PS3 upscale, then the Edge scales again back to my output res. Sending 480i out of my Denon yields the best results. At least for me.

(and theoretically, getting an Oppo that sends out 480i via hdmi should be even better. But I really prefer the build quality of my Denon. ymmv)

In the absence of a source direct feature, is there some processing going on even if the player is outputting 480i?
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post #3082 of 6974
1/7/09 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by jochen121 View Post

i am thinking of purchasing the edge - but as i am from a pal country - is the deinterlacing still a problem for the edge or is it fixed in a new firmware? thank you

Hi, jochen121 !

That is also dependent on the STB you are using...

Is it capable to output native 576i or at least 576p which could be used by the EDGE with PREP ?

Currently I am using with my STB the 576p output (with PREP) .

When the EDGE has sucessfully logged into the Video Deinterlacing Mode, I have a very, very good picture. But very often it fails first time and trys with the Film Mode. I then have to switch channel back/forward and normally it logs in the Video Mode the 2nd time...

I am pretty sure a manually biased Video Mode would help, and they are currently under investigation whether they will include in a future firmware update.

The more people tell the relevance for European Users, the higher the priority I would guess...

Best regards

maier2505
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post #3083 of 6974
1/7/09 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Maier2505 View Post

Hi, jochen121 !

That is also dependent on the STB you are using...

Is it capable to output native 576i or at least 576p which could be used by the EDGE with PREP ?

Currently I am using with my STB the 576p output (with PREP) .

When the EDGE has sucessfully logged into the Video Deinterlacing Mode, I have a very, very good picture. But very often it fails first time and trys with the Film Mode. I then have to switch channel back/forward and normally it logs in the Video Mode the 2nd time...

I am pretty sure a manually biased Video Mode would help, and they are currently under investigation whether they will include in a future firmware update.

The more people tell the relevance for European Users, the higher the priority I would guess...

Best regards

maier2505

what is an STB? my SD DVD can be set to YUV where i may choose between progr and interlaced. HD cabel is imo 576i, for BD i use PS3. my prijector is full hd (sanyo plv z700)...
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post #3084 of 6974
1/7/09 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by jochen121 View Post

what is an STB? my SD DVD can be set to YUV where i may choose between progr and interlaced. HD cabel is imo 576i, for BD i use PS3. my prijector is full hd (sanyo plv z700)...


Hi, Jochen !

STB = Set Top Box

And very few of the Cabel STBs deliver pure576i (at least in HDMI), therefore my question.

As I output my PAL Signals to the EDGE over HDMI, I cannot judge the increased quality with Analog inputs, and neither how EDGE would perform with the Video/Film Topic in your configuration...

Best regards

maier2505
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post #3085 of 6974
1/7/09 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Maier2505 View Post

Hi, Jochen !

STB = Set Top Box

And very few of the Cabel STBs deliver pure576i (at least in HDMI), therefore my question.

As I output my PAL Signals to the EDGE over HDMI, I cannot judge the increased quality with Analog inputs, and neither how EDGE would perform with the Video/Film Topic in your configuration...

Best regards

maier2505

hi maier2505,
my stb is a Humax PR-HD1000C - connected via HDMI, one canal is 1080i, the others are 576i. i also hope to get a improvement in sd dvd.
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post #3086 of 6974
1/7/09 at 5:00pm
If you compare a SD broadcast without the Edge's scaling capabilities and then with it, you'll realize your set looks a lot better with properly de-interlaced video, and an image that is scaled per-pixel instead of per frame or Horizaontal freq'y. These to factors alone are what improve PQ, if your not getting that pop then your not calibrating you tv properly. Aside from unseen artifacting the edge can produce it is one convenient HDMI hub as well. Couple it with a Flea and a True 1080p display and youi'll never look back.
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post #3087 of 6974
1/7/09 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Between the nice Panny plasma, the PS3 for DVD and only a 50", I think you would get little benefit from the Edge. Unless you are willing to pay the price for that extra 5% performance. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, but I felt I wanted to pay for that little extra performance. I'm sure most of my friends think I'm insane paying what the Edge cost for the little added benefit on my 50" plasma. I do plan to have a projector one day though...

You are either upscaling with your PS3 or your Panny, not both. I can't agree that the upscale performance of the PS3 (or the Panny for that matter) with no dedicated chip is as good as the ABT chip. I have a PS3 and an OPPO 980H (Sony BRX 46") and I do see good improvement for both with the Edge for SD DVD (480i from OPPO and 480p from PS3 with PREP). I had been following this forum and I do see differing opinions. I guess it's all in the eyes of the beholder. I also feel that when you change to a new setup or new setting, sometimes it takes a few days for the setup to "settle down", and only then you see the differences.
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1/8/09 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by jochen121 View Post

hi maier2505,
my stb is a Humax PR-HD1000C - connected via HDMI, one canal is 1080i, the others are 576i. i also hope to get a improvement in sd dvd.

Hi Jochen,

I have the same STB using the EDGE. At the moment no problem at all! The only issue is the fact that the Humax 1000 is NOT able to output 576i!!! It only outputs 576p, 720p or 1080i on component or HDMI. So actually I am thinking about to switch my stb to clarke 5000hd combo plus. This one is able to output 576i and you can also watch germany pay tv by using your original smartcard in e.g. an alphacrypt light ci module.

Greets from Stuttgart
joflash
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post #3089 of 6974
1/8/09 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

The Edge had little or no improvement for any sources for me which I attribute to excellent Panasonic plasma video processing.

I concur... The Edge offered little or no improvement over the processing in my Kuro and upscaled no better than my Oppo.

A_C
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post #3090 of 6974
1/8/09 at 5:34am
I just wish that the EDGE could have up to 33% UNDERSCAN feature.

And that the underscan amount could be PER INPUT so that one could set each input individually.

Is this possible in firmware?
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