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post #3151 of 6974
I am in the process of installing a HT and intend to use a Planar 8150 projector, an Integra 9.9 pre/pro and a Panasonic BD-35 player(because the Oppo BDP 83 has not been released). Do I need an EDGE?

Ray
post #3152 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

Yeah, for gaming there's really hardly any reason to prefer a VPxx machine to the Edge. With the current 1.1 production firmware there are still a few issues (especially with 288p50Hz material), but that'll be fixed for sure.... But overall the Edge is THE way to go for gaming PLUS movie processing.

It would be great if that became true someday for non private-beta firmware. Given DVDO's record, though, I am no longer willing to give them any credit for features that aren't already shipping to the public. I held off buying an Edge because those gaming features weren't delivered yetI'll reconsider if they ever actually release them.
post #3153 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

Yeah, for gaming there's really hardly any reason to prefer a VPxx machine to the Edge. With the current 1.1 production firmware there are still a few issues (especially with 288p50Hz material), but that'll be fixed for sure.

Compared to a VP30/102 combo there's nothing to be missed, except one tiny bit: If you're feeding progressive material (240p or 480p) and turn the Gamemode on to minimize the lag, the Detail and Edge Enhancement tools are disabled for any reason (probably a limitation of the ABT2010). But overall the Edge is THE way to go for gaming PLUS movie processing.

Thank you for the reply! The loss of edge enhancement is actually a pretty big issue for me. The reason I am in the DVDO market is two fold.

1.) For my classic consoles (SNES, Genesis, Neo-Geo AES, 3DO, etc etc)

2.) For my next gen consoles.

Now #1 is easy to understand. For #2, let me explain: I own a Samsung 650 120hz LCD. This LCD has input lag if you use it's suite of image enhancers. The only way to get a lag free image is to use VGA or PC mode on HDMI 2. That's all good and fine, but the colors get washed out a bit and the whole image goes super soft.

I'd like my DVDO unit to go in there, bump up the color and sharpness a bit then deliver that to my TV. Then I could have a very nice image for the cost of 6ms delay as opposed to 60 by putting the TV in another mode.

I suppose I could have the X360 and PS3 deliver 1080i to the Edge and still get enhancement? That seems like more work than needed for the hardware though and I image would produce a worse image than pure 1080p? (and the PS3 would have trouble with that as some games don't support 1080i)

Thanks for the help everyone!
post #3154 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Cynn View Post

2.) For my next gen consoles.

Now #1 is easy to understand. For #2, let me explain: I own a Samsung 650 120hz LCD. This LCD has input lag if you use it's suite of image enhancers. The only way to get a lag free image is to use VGA or PC mode on HDMI 2. That's all good and fine, but the colors get washed out a bit and the whole image goes super soft.

I'd like my DVDO unit to go in there, bump up the color and sharpness a bit then deliver that to my TV. Then I could have a very nice image for the cost of 6ms delay as opposed to 60 by putting the TV in another mode.

fwiw, GH3 looks great on my PS3 and crt pj, running thru the Edge. When running game mode - you're right, no EE or DE, but MNR, color, contrast, and brightness are there - plenty to make it pop. But afaic, best part is that in game mode, I tried calibrating the controller - and guess what? NO DELAY required for calibration. Pretty cool - when I was using the VP50, for sure there was delay after calibration. Forget how much, but it was there.

I don't think you'd hate the display in game mode, but I don't have your rig, so YMMV.
post #3155 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Nappy Priest View Post

Please do let us know what you think once you try it on the XBR6 - I just want someone to tell me I'm not blind!

I have an XBR5 with the Edge (PS3, OPPO 980H, HTPC). The XBR series is quite calibration intensive what with motion ehancer etc. Try putting all the Edge settings to neutral and calibrate your XBR5 (there are various forum threads you can google with suggested settings or do your own). I would think with HD sources, the improvements would be minimal. Some suggested they get improvements from 1080i sources de-interlaced by Edge. 1080p will just be passthrough. The XBR will provide Detail and Edge enhancements as well. I had those turned off and used the Edge for DE and EE. Improvements will be more prominent on SD TV and DVD's.
post #3156 of 6974
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

works fine on my rig; as a musician, I'm touchy enough about lip-synch that I stayed away from the earlier Lumagens, for just that reason.

Have never had to adjust on Edge - just use auto. Have only seen the auto setting fail once, back with my VP50; for some reason, the local HD broadcast was about a quarter second off. Was able to manually adjust the VP50 to match; guessing that Edge has as much range, but have never tried to see.

I have my Edge now, sorry for asking but I cannot find anything to do with Auto lip sync in the menus? only manual control?
post #3157 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

I have my Edge now, sorry for asking but I cannot find anything to do with Auto lip sync in the menus? only manual control?

By default the audio is synched with the video.
post #3158 of 6974
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Originally Posted by JoshA View Post

By default the audio is synched with the video.

Thanks!
post #3159 of 6974
I took delivery of a new Edge today. I'm on a business trip for a few months so unfortunately I can't really try it out to its full potential with my 6 HDMI input sources, and 1 component. So, all I have with me at the apartment is a SD DVD player and HDMI 24" monitor. This is what I found, and will talk to John at Anchor Bay tomorrow. My one input (DVD player) has composite, S-Video, or component. I first chose composite to the Edge and started playing a movie, but no picture, just blue screen. The Edge menus all work and it shows a composite signal is detected but just a blue screen. I reset the unit, updated to v1.1 firmware, reset again and still nothing. I decided to box it up, so I unplugged the unit. I then decided to give it one more try so I plugged it back in and guess what, I had a picture and the blue LED on the front lit up, which I had not seen yet. I turned it off with the remote and then back on, no picture again. If I unplug and plug it back in, again I have a picture. I decided to try S-Video, same situation. I then decided to try Component, now I can turn it off and on with no problem. What do you think? If you are only using S-Video or Composite maybe the signal is not strong enough to turn the circuits on and require a power disconnect - reconnect? I don't know and maybe I shouldn't worry about it? Very strange, and probably no one has an Edge with just composite hooked up to verify this, it could be a small bug?
Thanks for reading this long note.
post #3160 of 6974
I think it will be a YMMV on game modes with certain displays. I am initially under the impression that once I introduced the Edge into my PC connection (both Edge and Display in Game Mode) I gained slight lag, very slight. I was previously using component right to my display and that setup was very responsive. Perhaps my setup just is not as responsive with HDMI, I have no idea. Too bad, I really like the Edge processing on that setup too, but I think I'm going back to PC (component) right to display.
post #3161 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

I took delivery of a new Edge today. I'm on a business trip for a few months so unfortunately I can't really try it out to its full potential with my 6 HDMI input sources, and 1 component. So, all I have with me at the apartment is a SD DVD player and HDMI 24" monitor. This is what I found, and will talk to John at Anchor Bay tomorrow. My one input (DVD player) has composite, S-Video, or component. I first chose composite to the Edge and started playing a movie, but no picture, just blue screen. The Edge menus all work and it shows a composite signal is detected but just a blue screen. I reset the unit, updated to v1.1 firmware, reset again and still nothing. I decided to box it up, so I unplugged the unit. I then decided to give it one more try so I plugged it back in and guess what, I had a picture and the blue LED on the front lit up, which I had not seen yet. I turned it off with the remote and then back on, no picture again. If I unplug and plug it back in, again I have a picture. I decided to try S-Video, same situation. I then decided to try Component, now I can turn it off and on with no problem. What do you think? If you are only using S-Video or Composite maybe the signal is not strong enough to turn the circuits on and require a power disconnect - reconnect? I don't know and maybe I shouldn't worry about it? Very strange, and probably no one has an Edge with just composite hooked up to verify this, it could be a small bug?
Thanks for reading this long note.

It happens with my unit too. My satellite box has only S-video output, so my usage is with it connected to this port on EDGE all the time.
When EDGE powers on itself automatically it works just fine with the STB. But sometimes if I turn off the EDGE on the remote and turn it back on, it gives just the blue screen.
I'll do more testing on it with the composite too and report back.
post #3162 of 6974
I have had my EDGE for a couple weeks now and Ken at Anchor Bay helped me set it up. Everything works great except pasing dolby digital signal through EDGE to my pre/pro results in an annoying (and loud) squawking noise when I switch edge channels and when I browse menus through my TIVO. This is truly disappointing and I am hopeful that Ken and the rest of the Anchor Bay folks will get the firmware updated with a fix as soon as possible. They claim that the audio is transparently passed thorugh, however I never had this switching noise in my system before. The EDGE is definately the culprit. I left a voicemail for Ken yesterday asking for an update on this issue, but have not heard back from him yet. Both Ken and John from Anchor Bay heard the squawking through the phone, so they know it is a real issue and Ken admitted that they did detect some switching noise when routing audio through optical cable to a processor or receiver. In my case I have a very sensitive Audio Refinement Pre2DSP processor / pre-amp that is only amplifying the horrible switching noise. The interesting thins is that when I change my audio output to PCM, the switching noise improves. Please let me know if anyone else is experiencing the same thing. I am afraid that this may damage my speakers if it goes on much longer. Thanks!
post #3163 of 6974
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Originally Posted by stumblebum View Post

I have an issue with the digital audio signal carried over the HDMI input and outputted via the optical output. I do not receive a dolby digital or DTS digital signal.

All settings on the source components and the Edge were set accordingly.

I then tried connecting optical cables from my source components to the Edge optical inputs and received the DD/DTS signals...but am experiencing audio dropouts when changing channels on DTV receiver or switching from one component to the other.
If I turn Edge off and on the audio comes back.

I was under the impression that you could hook up sources with HDMI inputs and output to the optical output (if no HDMI output was on receiver/preamp and it would work).

In additon I also updated firmware to 1.1

Could unit be defective ? Should I exchange for a new one?

I have the same problem and even worse ... i get horrible squawking sounds when switching between sources.
post #3164 of 6974
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Originally Posted by dsidney View Post

It happens with my unit too. My satellite box has only S-video output, so my usage is with it connected to this port on EDGE all the time.
When EDGE powers on itself automatically it works just fine with the STB. But sometimes if I turn off the EDGE on the remote and turn it back on, it gives just the blue screen.
I'll do more testing on it with the composite too and report back.

Thank you very much for your feedback with a similar scenario. I have a detailed email sent to edgesupport@dvdo.com as suggested by John at Anchor Bay. I will also keep the forum updated when I find out more....
post #3165 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

This is what I found, and will talk to John at Anchor Bay tomorrow.

I think you mean "Josh at Anchor Bay" and I haven't been there since September...
post #3166 of 6974
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Originally Posted by rockonpearl View Post

I have the same problem and even worse ... i get horrible squawking sounds when switching between sources.

Yup... I get that too. If I change sources again and then back, all is well. It seems that Edge is either trashing the bitstream or is fooling the receiver as to what it is receiving and generates pure crap (basically noise like receiver thinks its PCM and its DD).
post #3167 of 6974
Twice now, I've gotten the brief message that "Your display is not HDCP-compliant" from my EDGE. Anyone else using an Edge get this? I've noticed no problems otherwise, but then I'm not playing Blu-ray yet, nor am I recording anything. I do have HD cable which doesn't seem to be affected. The display is a PRO-111FD.
post #3168 of 6974
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Originally Posted by rockonpearl View Post

I have had my EDGE for a couple weeks now and Ken at Anchor Bay helped me set it up. Everything works great except pasing dolby digital signal through EDGE to my pre/pro results in an annoying (and loud) squawking noise when I switch edge channels and when I browse menus through my TIVO. This is truly disappointing and I am hopeful that Ken and the rest of the Anchor Bay folks will get the firmware updated with a fix as soon as possible. They claim that the audio is transparently passed thorugh, however I never had this switching noise in my system before. The EDGE is definately the culprit. I left a voicemail for Ken yesterday asking for an update on this issue, but have not heard back from him yet. Both Ken and John from Anchor Bay heard the squawking through the phone, so they know it is a real issue and Ken admitted that they did detect some switching noise when routing audio through optical cable to a processor or receiver. In my case I have a very sensitive Audio Refinement Pre2DSP processor / pre-amp that is only amplifying the horrible switching noise. The interesting thins is that when I change my audio output to PCM, the switching noise improves. Please let me know if anyone else is experiencing the same thing. I am afraid that this may damage my speakers if it goes on much longer. Thanks!

Maybe there is a problem with the box. I have no issue like that with both my EDGE units. So maybe it needs to be replaced. Although I have no idea. Just that both my units are fine, and I'm only using HDMI for all audio since all my components have HDMI.
post #3169 of 6974
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Originally Posted by JoshA View Post

I think you mean "Josh at Anchor Bay" and I haven't been there since September...

Hi Josh, I did speak to a fellow in support at Anchor Bay named John.
post #3170 of 6974
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Maybe there is a problem with the box. I have no issue like that with both my EDGE units. So maybe it needs to be replaced. Although I have no idea. Just that both my units are fine, and I'm only using HDMI for all audio since all my components have HDMI.

aaron - we all know, you're the luckiest guy on the planet (excluding, perhaps, Gary .) I had that problem with mine also, but with the earlier beta firmwares. The production V1.1 fixed that.

Has everyone having this problem updated firmware? I know - silly question, but could be relevant. I used toslink and coax for all my audio connections, and used to get that nasty white noise on switching.

One more fwiw - while I am using 1.1 now, I am also routing audio via hdmi whenever possible (now). While 1.1 fixed it for me, the hdmi may also help you out.
post #3171 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Nappy Priest View Post

Well, after giving it two more weeks, I've decided to send it back - it's just not doing anything for me. For the record, I have a 46XBR6, and a BDP-S350 (Sony Blu-Ray player). The Edge not only did nothing to improve the picture from either the STB or the player, but it actually made the HD channels look worse (for instance, the Program Guide lettering got all fuzzy and literally painful to read when going through the Edge).

Not trying to diss anyone for whom the Edge has done wonders - it just seems to me that those who have opined that the new TVs and players offer the same or equal performance right out of the box are correct.

Hi Nappy! I own the VP20 for three years now and it has the ABT 102 chip. When I first got it I was bummed that my std dvd looked worse. At the time I got my unit they did not have the "Pass through" function and to get around it I had to not use the HDMI as input from the DVD to the VP 20 because the DVD was converting the signal and then the VP20 converted it and it looked bad. I had to use component cables from the DVD to the VP 20 and then let the VP 20 do the upconversion to 1080P and output to my TV.

I am wondering if you are doing a double conversion? My Std DVD did not have a menu option to not do a conversion but yours might or if you want your DVD player to upconvert or pass 1080P straight through then use the "Pass through" option on the Edge. The latest firmware update for my unit allows me to do "pass through" so now I have more options to work with.

I am only reading the last couple of pages on posts as I am not in the market for an edge but was curious on how the ABT 2010 chip was being received!

Just some ideas before you return.
post #3172 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post

My replacement Edge should arrive later this week (first unit arrived with parts rattling around inside from onecall).

I will be running my TiVo S3 (Comcast) and Wii through it.

Would any of you run a Blu-ray or Oppo 983 through it? These sources are providing pretty great pictures already on our Pioneer 6010.

Thanks!

Oppo uses the Anchor Bay technology as well so you would have parity on the technology used but maybe a different chip. I am not sure what model of Oppo and what chip is being used. You can play with each one passing the conversion and see which one you like but I think it would be hard to decipher a difference. For sure you do not want both units converting a signal.
post #3173 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Ray Collins View Post

I am in the process of installing a HT and intend to use a Planar 8150 projector, an Integra 9.9 pre/pro and a Panasonic BD-35 player(because the Oppo BDP 83 has not been released). Do I need an EDGE?

Ray

Ray,
My 2 cents given that you have the integra 9.9 that has the Silicon Optix Reon, HQV chip then I would say "no" you do not need the Edge.

I have a Denon 3803(6 years old) and bought the VP 20 when I bought the 1080P set. I did not want to change out the Denon at the time and it is a perfect match for old AVR's where you want to have the Video Processing transferred to units like Anchor Bay.

The Oppo BDP-83 will probably have the ABT 2010 chip when it releases and I too am waiting for this unit.

I do not know how much functionality that Integra integrated from the Silicon Optix HQV chip and whether you can do pass through and such but I would make your current investment fail somehow before looking at new options(if it were my money).

I have been upgrading my amps to Emotiva and relegated my Denon to simple audio switching for CD and using two of its amps for my surrounds.

When Emotiva releases the XMC-1 which will be their version of a Audio Video processor then I will retire the Denon completely. I guess what I am suggesting is to let your Integra 9.9 die a slow death and and as new technology emerges that brings needed value to you then start to decouple functions from your head unit. I am finding myself migrating more to separates now because of the rapid changes in our very very cool hobby!

I hope this helps a little bit!
post #3174 of 6974
Well I'm so happy with my Edge that I don't have to read this thread too much anymore because I'm spending more time watching movies instead of working out HDMI issues like before I got it. Anybody hear any rumors about features in future firmware updates?
post #3175 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

I took delivery of a new Edge today. I'm on a business trip for a few months so unfortunately I can't really try it out to its full potential with my 6 HDMI input sources, and 1 component. So, all I have with me at the apartment is a SD DVD player and HDMI 24" monitor. This is what I found, and will talk to John at Anchor Bay tomorrow. My one input (DVD player) has composite, S-Video, or component. I first chose composite to the Edge and started playing a movie, but no picture, just blue screen. The Edge menus all work and it shows a composite signal is detected but just a blue screen. I reset the unit, updated to v1.1 firmware, reset again and still nothing. I decided to box it up, so I unplugged the unit. I then decided to give it one more try so I plugged it back in and guess what, I had a picture and the blue LED on the front lit up, which I had not seen yet. I turned it off with the remote and then back on, no picture again. If I unplug and plug it back in, again I have a picture. I decided to try S-Video, same situation. I then decided to try Component, now I can turn it off and on with no problem. What do you think? If you are only using S-Video or Composite maybe the signal is not strong enough to turn the circuits on and require a power disconnect - reconnect? I don't know and maybe I shouldn't worry about it? Very strange, and probably no one has an Edge with just composite hooked up to verify this, it could be a small bug?
Thanks for reading this long note.

If you have just one DVD player source, why would you even choose to use anything other than component out. Surely that will give you the best picture. You should be able to test your theory by connecting both the s-video out and the component out from the dvd player to the Edge and now see if your s-video out is still blue screen. I do use the composite in from a Series 1 TV to the Edge and I never have problem with blue screens, although I also used 3 of the HDMI inputs and the component in as well.
post #3176 of 6974
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Originally Posted by fchan View Post

If you have just one DVD player source, why would you even choose to use anything other than component out. Surely that will give you the best picture. You should be able to test your theory by connecting both the s-video out and the component out from the dvd player to the Edge and now see if your s-video out is still blue screen. I do use the composite in from a Series 1 TV to the Edge and I never have problem with blue screens, although I also used 3 of the HDMI inputs and the component in as well.

Yes, good information, and you are right, if there is a choice always use component over composite / S-Video. The reason I didn't use component right from the start, I couldn't find my component cables right away and thought what the heck, I'll use composite to get this thing working, I was anxious to hook it up. Now, if I hook up all three (composite, S-Video, Component)from the same DVD player, which is the only piece of hardware I temporarily have with me, the Edge will work ok, turn on and off with the remote, and I believe simply because it's seeing a signal from the component ports. If I unplug the component and leave composite and S-Video plugged in I can verify the problem, which is needing a unplug and plug back in after a turn off with remote. Personally, I'm not worried about it because I'll never be using composite or S-Video alone with no other inputs. It was just interesting to find this out, and to hear conformation right away from another user that can duplicate the issue and has experienced it in the past. I was just worried at first that I might have a faulty unit, and, there might be something else wrong with it that is not immediately showing up, but if this is common and normal than I'm not worried and won't waste my time and money returning for a repair, that might not even be possible if this just the way it is. You know the old saying, it is what it is..... That being said I’m sure I will be very happy with this unit once I get it hooked up in my system.
Thanks for feedback....
post #3177 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Tom899 View Post

Yes, good information, and you are right, if there is a choice always use component over composite / S-Video. The reason I didn't use component right from the start, I couldn't find my component cables right away and thought what the heck, I'll use composite to get this thing working, I was anxious to hook it up. Now, if I hook up all three (composite, S-Video, Component)from the same DVD player, which is the only piece of hardware I temporarily have with me, the Edge will work ok, turn on and off with the remote, and I believe simply because it's seeing a signal from the component ports. If I unplug the component and leave composite and S-Video plugged in I can verify the problem, which is needing a unplug and plug back in after a turn off with remote. Personally, I'm not worried about it because I'll never be using composite or S-Video alone with no other inputs. It was just interesting to find this out, and to hear conformation right away from another user that can duplicate the issue and has experienced it in the past. I was just worried at first that I might have a faulty unit, and, there might be something else wrong with it that is not immediately showing up, but if this is common and normal than I'm not worried and won't waste my time and money returning for a repair, that might not even be possible if this just the way it is. You know the old saying, it is what it is..... That being said I'm sure I will be very happy with this unit once I get it hooked up in my system.
Thanks for feedback....

Tom,

I forgot to say it in my previous post. Other than the problem we are talking about, and some sound drop outs (when changing channels) if I use digital connection (Coax) from the STB to EDGE, my unit works perfectly with fir 1.1.
I suspect that most of problems are due to EDGE having some difficulties with the STB signal. My STB is very simple, with only composite and S-video outs, and probably very low quality too (it is made by Phillips).

Even with my low quality STB signal, the improvement EDGE gives me on my setup is fantastic.
EDGE is now the best and most important peace of gear I have in my setup hands down (used to be my two Oppo players, btw still love them, and the 981 trough the EDGE is the best PQ I have ever had).

Sidney
post #3178 of 6974
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Originally Posted by Ray Collins View Post

I am in the process of installing a HT and intend to use a Planar 8150 projector, an Integra 9.9 pre/pro and a Panasonic BD-35 player(because the Oppo BDP 83 has not been released). Do I need an EDGE?

Ray

Not only does the 9.9 have the Reon for video processing, but the Planar has the latest Gennum/Sigma 9450 as well. You may find you prefer the Reon for video sources (sports) while preferring using the Planar processing for film. I'd say you are probably all set without the Edge. Simply use "through" on the 9.9 to allow the Planar to do the processing and 1080p60 output on the 9.9 to allow the Reon to process. You may even find that the Planar does a good job with both, in which case just leave the 9.9 at "through".
post #3179 of 6974
Hi everyone , im thinking about getting the Edge next week. It seems like a bang for the buck unit. I know people see a huge difference on their SD sources but do they see any difference on their HD sources , HD broadcasts , Bluray ?

I wanna get the most out of my pioneer display
post #3180 of 6974
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Originally Posted by dsidney View Post

Tom,

I forgot to say it in my previous post. Other than the problem we are talking about, and some sound drop outs (when changing channels) if I use digital connection (Coax) from the STB to EDGE, my unit works perfectly with fir 1.1.
I suspect that most of problems are due to EDGE having some difficulties with the STB signal. My STB is very simple, with only composite and S-video outs, and probably very low quality too (it is made by Phillips).

Even with my low quality STB signal, the improvement EDGE gives me on my setup is fantastic.
EDGE is now the best and most important peace of gear I have in my setup hands down (used to be my two Oppo players, btw still love them, and the 981 trough the EDGE is the best PQ I have ever had).

Sidney

Thanks Sidney
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