New DVDO EDGE !! - Page 205

Look for a Denon 3808. Pre-outs and has Audyssey Room EQ.

Ok so other than the 1.4 and 1.5 firmwares breaking S-Video for me (all my video game systems), I noticed another problem.

The DVDO Edge will not do 240p over component. I have my SNES outputting RGB via component and the DVDO Edge detects something's there, but it will not display it. My television shows a display when I hook it up without the DVDO Edge, but it's very flickery and such (due to my TV not converting to YUV). What are my chances, if any, of Anchor Bay fixing the S-Video and component issue?

have you called them?

Seriously, it's good to know of those limitations. I actually have all my game systems through their original outputs (composite for NES, SNES, ClickStart and V.Motion), so the Edge handles them just fine. I have not yet hooked up the Gamecube via component yet though.

give them a call and be sure to report back here!

..dane

I actually e-mailed them but will give them a call, too. I will definitely post what happens!

Bob, check out the Integra and Marantz lines.
Probably your best bet for that budget range.

Turns out I'm a bit of an idiot. The SCART to YUV/Component adapter works just fine with my SNES and DVDO Edge. I finally got a picture when I thought to myself "this sync input has to be here for a reason". So I soldered an RCA cable from the SCART cable that is supposed to be known as "composite sync". I got a picture! A horribly discolored and wavy picture, but I got one. At least it shows I am on the right track.

Thanks. These do seem to be within my price range and don't have amps I don't need.

The SCART standard only supports RGBS (R=red signal, G=green signal, B=blue signal, S=sync signal). RGBS was the original "component" signal.

It was later bastardised by some manufacturers to support YUV/YPrPb/YCrCb "component" signals, which unfortunately used red, green and blue leads similar to the leads for RGBS, causing great confusion, as the signals carried by each lead are very different between RGBS and "component".

I have no idea whether the older games consoles support RGBS or "component", but it is important to know which one is being output and to connect accordingly.

The Sync lead is very important for RGBS as no frame synchronisation information is carried on R, G or B leads. Sync is usually equivalent to the composite video output minus colour information.

Component YUV/YPrPb/YCrCb is different in that Y is equivalent to the RGBS Sync signal but the other 2 leads are colour difference signals. Synchronisation is carried on the Y lead and with the colour difference leads, 3 is all you need for YUV, but RGBS does need 4 leads with the appropriate signals on each.

Considering the age of SNES, I would say that it might support RGBS if it has a SCART connector. Ideally you would want a SCART to RGBS cable to match the RGBS output signal. If you use a SCART to YUV adapter, it will not be outputting the required RGBS signals on the right leads (for a start Y is on the green socket when it is not a green signal but equivalent to the Sync signal, so you would be feeding Sync to green and not getting any green signal at all to the Edge).

Only use a SCART to YUV adapter if you know positively that the games console is outputting YUV/YPrPb/YCrCb "component" signals.

It is sometimes possible to use a composite video output from a device as the Sync signal. If you could get into the YUV adapter and re-assign the pins to make the RGB coloured sockets actually output red, green and blue signals, then in conjunction with the composite video as sync, you might actually get true RGBS. However, if possible, a true SCART->RGBS cable is best.

Would a DVDO Edge help fix the "layer change pause" issue on DVD's?

I have a number of DVD's in my collection and some of them suffer from this layer change pause - where the movie will pause for a second while it switches layers on the disc. I wonder if a DVDO Edge is able to "detect" this an correct it. My player is a BD85 from Panasonic.

I do not believe so. The player is causing the delay as it refocuses the laser to the second layer.

Most good BD rippers will handle this issue as the layer change disappears when reading the disk from a copy ripped to a hard drive.

Oppo 83 has ABT technology, other dvd player with the same tech? and receivers? there are many?

I was having a problem with audio dropouts, so I emailed DVDO. Ken from customer service asked me to try an experiment to determine whether my unit had a hardware problem. As a result, DVDO exchanged my unit free of charge, even though it at least 6 months out of warranty. My only expense was the postage to return the old unit.

The new unit fixed one of my dropout problems and improved the other. I just wanted to offer my public thanks to Ken and the DVDO customer service department.

I just picked up an Edge. I am somewhat familiar with VP's, but no expert. I've had a VP30, VP50, VP50pro and I also have a Lumagen XS in another system.

I am having what appears to be, a color space issue. It is only with my cable box. I have a box that does not have HDMI, but DVI. I am using an HDMI to DVI adapter. Not sure if that is relevant, but worth mentioning.... When I switch channels, every once in a while (random to the point of not knowing the root cause), the picture goes green. It looks as if the color space changed from RGB to 4:4:4. Nothing I do will change this back to normal with the exception of turning the Edge off, then back on again. Even if I turn the cable box off, then back on, the image remains green. Cycling the Edge power is the only thing that resolves the conflict.

Before I call DVDO, has anyone else seen this problem and know the trick to resolve it?

As this is a rather large thread now I was wondering if someone may be able to help me with my Edge set-up.

I'm just replacing an expired VP30.

My question refers to changing aspect ratios. I have a 2.35:1 screen and I zoom
to watch movies in that ratio. With the VP30 i was able to set a user pre-set which I could switch easily from 16:9 menus to 2.35:1 when the movie starts.

How can I set this up with the Edge?

thanks, Barry

I suspect that it is an HDMI handshake issue - something along the lines of it took so long for the cable box to change channels and sync with the Edge that the cable box dropped the handshake. I'm not sure if there is a fix other than turning off the Edge (from the remote), or switching to another input and then back. I forget what the setting is off the top of my head, but there is something that tells the Edge to do a full handshake sequence when switching inputs.

The color space change is probably a red herring...once contact is lost with the cable box you're probably just seeing the default value.

Wondering if anyone can shed some light on this. I just switched from a Comcast DVR to a Verizon FIOS Multi-Room DVR as I recently moved, etc. Unlike the Comcast DVR, when the FIOS DVR is OFF (or sleep mode as both Comcast and Verizon refer to it), it still sends some signal to the Edge, enough that the Edge won't power off. I have it set up to power off automatically if no signal, so is there any way around this? I'm not sure what the heck the FIOS DVR is outputting, it's strange - I guess I never thought about it with the Comcast since it didn't exhibit the same behavior. It's a pain to have to manually power on/off the Edge (and defeats the purpose - even when switching inputs), so am wondering if there are FIOS users with the Edge who can/have thought of something.

IIRC...

SNES only supported composite out, so the Scart connector only used the composite video (same as RGBS's sync) plus left+right audio.

You had to get the SNES hardware modified to support RGBS output over Scart; which being a video geek was something I did. Similarly my American friends had theirs hacked to support S-video output.

The N64 console was the same, first thing I did with new one was send it off to be hardware hacked to offer RGBS over Scart rather than only option of composite.

StooMonster

StooMonster, you're wrong about this. While the N64 had indeed to be modified to output RGB, the original SNES model did output RGB right out of the box. That's true for Japan, USA and Europe. Only the newer SNES2 model abandoned the RGB output capability, but given the low sales of the newer model, it's quite safe to assume that most users have one that outputs RGB just fine.

I'd be very interested to learn what you actually modded on your SNES.

I think I've become used to the EDGE and don't really appreciate what it does. I was changing my HT equipment around last night when we decided to watch a movie. Everything was unplugged and out of the rack except my TivoHD, so rather than going through my EDGE, I just plugged my projector into the Tivo.

We watched something from Turner Classic Movies and I was really surprised at how fuzzy the picture was. My wife declared me nuts, but I thought it was distracting. At the time I thought it was just a terrible transfer, but I re-watched part of the movie after setting up the EDGE and it looked great.

So I'm once again appreciating the EDGE. Heck I may even upgrade to a DUO.

StooMaster,
I am an owner of the original SNES (bought on launch day when I was a kid) and it indeed outputs RGB to my TV via SNES without any modifications. Obviously, I bought the S-Video cable later as an adult (who cared about such things at that age!) - the picture is indeed sharper with less dot-crawl, but it still looks better on my Sony KD-34XS955 than on my Pioneer Kuro PRO-101FD. I think old game systems simply look better on the good ol' tube.

I'm thinking if adding the EDGE to my system (Oppo BDP-83, TiVo Premiere, Vudu & Xbox 360 via HDMI to Pioneer SC-27 receiver then out to a Pioneer Kuro 151FD plasma). It looks like from the above posts that I won't see much improvement out of my Oppo BR player, but what about the rest - particularly TiVo since that's what I do 90% of the time.

I hate to admit it, but I'm not into tweaking settings quite like I used to be....will this thing improve my picture if I just set everything to auto?

I know, I'm lazy, and the above statement may offend many in this thread but three kids take up all my time. Now I have a chance to get one of these cheap

Thanks for the advice

I hope im not doing something offside posting here but since its limited time. Please look at the avsforum deal on the denon. I was thinking of purchasing an edge, but the denon processing is supposidly better according to comparisons with regards to deinterlacing and scaling. And the price is absurd, nearly half the price of the edge.

In that case, a SCART->RGBS cable should give the best result, assuming the Edge is capable of accepting the output resolution and refresh rate.

RGBS was a great match with CRT display devices, as long as no processing of the signal was being done: mainly because the RGB input could be mapped fairly directly to the individual Red, Green and Blue electron guns.

My Edge arrives on Tuesday. Can anyone answer the question as to whether I will see significant improvment if my equipment is already pretty high end (TiVo Premiere, Oppo BR, Kuro plasma)?

After reading some of the posts here, particularly the ones above regarding the Oppo, it concerns me as to whether I will actually see any difference. Unfortunately, I read those posts after I ordered....

I have mentioned before that I have a similar issue with my Motorola box from SHAW Canada. My problem is still unresolved as well. Any help would be appreciated!

I've had the same kinda experience. The Edge went in for repair and I was routing the Comcast DVR video signal through my REON Onkyo 3007. The Edge is better. I even routed the DVR to the tv and the Edge in the works was worlds better.

I had completely the opposite experience. I thought the Reon in my 3007 was better than the Edge which is why I later sold it. just another opinion. I am also running a panny 4000 on a 120" screen so it is pretty revealing...

Oppo scaled DVD's are better than anything going through the Edge in my opinion. BLu ray is better left untouched or adjusted to your personal preference...

Can my Edge be used in a Constant Height setup such that I can flip between 2.35 material and 16:9 material on the same input at a touch of a button?

Hi,
I've been trying to figure this out too. I don't think it can as I think you need user defined aspect ratios on the output. My VP30 could do this before in expired and I think now only the top DVDO model has it.


Barry