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Hi
I have a popcorn hour c-200. This media center can only RGB output. Can i send the 1080p/24 signal from the popcorn to the Edge and send YCbCr from the Edge for my Projector ? I realy dont like rgb output in my projector. Its crash my black levels and kill my detail shadows. I am thinking in buy the DVDo EDGE to solve my problem and connect the others equipaments (oppo bdp-83, ps3 and xbox).
Thanks

Absolutely.

Thanks Man.
I was reading the manual of DVDo Edge righ now and i cannot see where i can change from ycbcr and rgb output. I olny find how i can choose the resolution and framerate output. So, can you tell me, please, where i choose YCbCr from menu ? Very thanks.
Nevermind, i found in the advanced settings.
Thanks, i will by this amazing product right now.

EDGE automatically detected the optimal color space of your projector. However if you'd like to manually set the color space that EDGE outputs, you can do so using the latest firmware.

Here's the webpage that describes the firmware updates.

The firmware updates are cumulative i.e. the latest version (1.5) supports all features in earlier firmware.

Oops!

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support...ct_manuals.php

Just for clarification the latest EDGE firmware is 1.6, although there is not a published manual supplement for this version.

EDGE Firmware Versions

this is a common problem when using hdmi splitters to output to devices that have different audio capabilities. i believe the answer to your question will depend on how the edge handles edid reporting. a splitter or matrix will generally report back both edids, and the source will pick the "lowest common denominator" for it's output. if the edge simply passes the edid of your tv back to your ps3 like your gefen does, then you'll have the same problem. on the other hand, if it reports back to the ps3 it's own edid, or a modified version of the tv's, saying it (the edge) is a 5.1 channel capable device, then you'll have no problems. i use all hdmi with my edge, so i don't know the answer to the question, but if i had to guess, i'd pick the latter. the edge is far from a typical hdmi switch/matrix (even one with toslink output) in terms of inputs/outputs/conversions/etc. i'd have to think that it's going to report it's own edid back to the ps3, not that of the tv. but i've been wrong before...

If my experience is any guide, I think the Edge reports its own maximum capabilities back to other devices. I have a Panasonic BD player hooked to the Edge by HDMI. The BD player, when it's set to Auto resolution (when it goes by the EDID of the target device), always sets itself to 1080p. But my display is 720p, and the output of the Edge is set for 720p. The Edge is not reporting this back to the BD player. As a result, I have to change the resolution on the BD player manually whenever it is necessary. Usually I leave it set to Auto and let the Edge deal with further processing, but there are times when it works better if I reset the output of BD player manually as well.

thank you both (absolootbs & nyko_ork) for your valuable feedback.

The last couple of days, I've been researching like a madman, trying to understand all I can about EDID.

Given that, I didn't get any solid feedback as to which splitter/switch will work with the EDGE, I opted to bite the bullet, and decided to get the iScan Duo, it supports two outputs.

In the end, I STILL maybe facing an EDID issue.

Because the fact my preamp/processor is not HDMI based, my ps3 (along with other HDMI based devices) will be connected directly to the iScan Duo. I then plan to take one of the hdmi output and connect to the LCD TV, the other will go to the projector, and lastly, a TOSLINK cable will go to my preamp/processor.

With connections, I am hopeful that the iScan Duo will override and provide appropriate EDID info to derive multichannel output EDID info so DD/DTS comes through the TOSLINK

Now, if I STILL get two channel audio because somewhere in the mix, I have a lowest common denominator - I guess I will isolate that and figure out my next step. The absolute last thing I want to do is replace my current preamp/processor, I paid a pretty penny for it (pre HDMI days) and can't see myself getting rid of it - it has great sound and works perfectly.

To that end (deep sigh), if I have no other choice, I will ( really really deep sigh) - LOL

I'm in the process of doing a significant update to my home theater with the installation of a new Sony VPL-HWPRO1 projector. I purchased a DVDO EDGE to replace a 4 port HDMI switch which I use in conjunction with my Denon AVR-3808 receiver since it did not have enough HDMI inputs for the equipment in my rack. Now I need to decide what units to connect to the Denon and which to connect to the DVDO EDGE (neither has enough inputs for all). My plan is to hook the Denon receiver to one HDMI input on the projector and the DVDO EDGE to the other HDMI input on the projector.

As for the source hookup, here's what I am thinking:

I. Connect to the Denon Receiver (4 HDMI inputs)

1. Denon DVD-2930 DVD Player (also uses DenonLink audio connection to receiver)
2. Oppo BDP-83 BluRay Player
3. Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD Player
4. DVDO EDGE Audio Only

II. Connect to the DVDO EDGE (5 HDMI inputs on back)

1. Pioneer CLD-704 Laserdisc Player (connected using composite video)
2. Time Warner Cable SA8350HD DVR
3. DirecTV HR-22 DVR
4. Popcorn Hour A-110 NMT

My operating theory is that the equipment connected to the Denon already produces 1080p video at full bandwidth (or contains excellent video processing circuits already) and the DVDO EDGE cannot provide much help here. On the other hand, the equipment connected to the DVDO EDGE typically outputs anything from 480i to 1080i and, therefore, can be helped the DVDO EDGE to "clean up" the video before presenting it on the projector.

I appreciate any thoughts and feedback. Am I on the right track with my thinking?

Kirk

Kirk-
What you're doing makes sense, except I'd connect the Oppo to the Edge. The Edge will pass through any 3D signals (which your receiver will not), and the Edge will pass everything without scaling it from the Oppo if you have the Oppo upconvert everything to 1080p.

Also, I converted all of my HD DVDs to mkv. I only had a few of them, so it was not much of an effort. If you were to do the same, you could play them on the Popcorn hour. This would allow you to connect everything to the Edge and you'd only need one HDMI wire to your projector.

The reason I like using the Edge for everything is that it allows better control over individual components. At least I've found I need different brightness and contrast settings for each component, and the Edge makes that easier.

Thanks for the feedback... The Oppo BDP-83 is the now-discontinued model that doesn't support 3D. Plus my new projector is 2D only so the need to pass 3d is moot.

I've thought about pulling the drive out of my old Toshiba HD-A1 player and connecting it to my computer so I can create some MKV files. (None of the drives in my CPU will read HD-DVD discs.) Otherwise I don't know how I could make MKV's from my HD-DVD's.

I've already pulled two HDMI cable to the projector (along with every other conceivable cable I might ever need) when I had the ceiling open so that is not a problem.

Thanks for the confirmation that I'm not completely drunk and disorderly here...

Kirk

I agree you are right on the money with this set-up. It's almost identical to mine. Roku, laser and cable going through EDGE (then running audio only from EDGE) with my 83 and 983 and XBox going straight to my Onkyo 5507 pre/pro then to my display. This works like a charm and the amount of control you have on those components using the EDGE is pretty amazing. Even my lasers are looking better than I remember them and I'm still tweaking that input. The EDGE really seems to help with my cable PQ a lot also. This was some of the best money I've ever spent on a piece of equipment for my HT>

I've been told that you can use the external XBox360 HD DVD drives on a PC to read HD DVDs. You used to see them frequently for $50 on ebay or other similar sources.

Edit: There are 25 of them 'New or Used' on Amazon...

I have many DVD player but right now i am looking for something new which is covers extra ordinary advantages like store date like ten GB otherwise output more than one song .

I played a Blu-ray audio-only disc of Bach Orchestral Suites on my older PS3, passing it through my Edge via HDMI. I was gratified to see PCM 7.1 on the display of my Cary Cinema 11a, proving to me the Edge can pass 7.1. A newer PS3 or an Oppo BDP 93 will pass bit-streamed audio to the Cary for processing, so I plan to buy an Oppo 93 and reserve my PS3 for games. The older PS3 processes internally and outputs PCM. I suspect the DACS in the Cinema 11a are superior.

db

folks,

A basic, newbie question for the edge owners.

If I took the HDMI out from the Edge, then connected to my HDMI based AV receiver, to its HDMI1 input, and if the AVReceiver has two HDMI outs, I would be able to switch my display devices, right ?

This means, I will not need an external HDMI switcher, correct ?

do you see any handshake issues with the configuration mentioned above ?

thank you,

I guess I've employed 'shoot first ask questions later' as I have an Edge on order but I do have some questions before it arrives. It will be feeding a Samsung 58A650 plasma that I have calibrated with CalMan using the fully functional CMS. The main thing that annoys (next to mosquito noise) me is the dithering effects when viewing scenes on DirecTV that have large areas of gentle gradations like sky scenes etc. These effects are almost always non existent while watching blu-rays. Will the Edge allow me to output DirecTV at 30 or 36bits like the Duo is capable of to fix that problem?

Secondly, my blu-ray is a Panny DMP-BD85 and unfortunately it appears it will not do 480i over hdmi, will the PReP on the Edge handle the 480p output of SD-DVD's just as good (DVDO sure touts this feature).

I spoke with someone at ABT about the Edge and iScan Duo and the "Panorama" Aspect setting. I feel it is very poor compared to what is in my plasma TVs (Panasonic's "Just" and Pioneer's "Cinema"). Even my HTPC using the Windows Media Center has a far superior aspect control option for 4:3 content. He told be that hardly anyone uses the Panorama so they have no plans to improve it.

Yes you can output any HDMI source at 30 or 36bits if your display can handle these. I do this with all my sources including my DirecTV HD-DVR.


The best solution would be to get a player that has a Source Direct function. That way the Edge can handle all deinterlacing of your 480i content. I have a Oppo BDP-80 which I mainly use with the Edge but also my Pioneer BDP-320 and BDP-23FD output an equally excellent signal. The only reason I got the Oppo was for the SACD/DVD-A and possible region-free capabilities.

That's what I wanted to hear.



While I agree with you, getting a new player is not going to happen until this one dies (or I pawn it off on my brother in law). With that said, how would you compare 480p through PReP on the Edge vs. 480i to the Edge? Are they at least close?

Not sure if the Edge will fix the gradation problem. I've noticed that problem myself, but I haven't really gone after it yet. Maybe someone else can give you a more definitive answer.

Regarding the Panny BD85, I have a BD60, which is basically the same. The Edge with PreP turned on does handle the 480p beautifully. However, I have also used the Component out of the Panny, routing it through a switchbox to the Edge component input. If I switch the Panny to component out, then I can select 480i, and the Edge doesn't need to use PreP. Note also that, when routing a Panny through the Edge, the Panny will not auto-select anything but 1080p. Everything sent out the HDMI output will be at 1080p unless you force it to output a different resolution, or switch to component output. The Auto HDMI function on the Panny doesn't know what to do with Edge.

Hmmm, I sure hope it fixes the gradations issues.

I'll probably go the component route.

I might be mistaken, but I thought the Edge is supposed to tell the DVD player that it has the same resolution and other characteristics as the display device. So the Auto HDMI should logically always be 1080p if you've got a 1080p display. What were you expecting?

I don't have a 1080p display. I have a 720p display. That's my point. The BD player thinks it's outputting to a 1080p. Guess I didn't make that clear.

Component out works great (480i), my SD-DVD's have never looked better. I know this isn't a Radiance but upscales/deinterlaces far better than anything else I own (source or display).

My wife watches a lot of SD channels on DirecTV and they are now very watchable using the Edge.

I am outputting 36bit to the display and it has improved (but not eliminated) the dithering.

If you set the Output Format on the EDGE to "Auto Select", what is the output resolution from the EDGE to your display?

My Panny pro plasma has a 1366 x 768 pixel screen. If I set the Output Format on the EDGE to "Auto Select", the output resolution is 1080p. I assume that the EDGE defaults to 1080p because the display is communicating the maximum input resolution that it can accept. If I set the Output Format on the EDGE to 720p, the display has to do the upscaling from 1280 x 720 to 1366 x 768.

My DirecTV box ((HR24-500) outputs RGB 24-bit (Believe others use YPrPb). Setting the DVDO to 36 bit works, but will it add colors back that the DirecTv has stripped out? I really do not know if it will cure your problem.

As I posted two posts ago:

"I am outputting 36bit to the display and it has improved (but not eliminated) the dithering."

That is related to the DirecTV HD-DVR, bottom line is it's an improvement on my plasma. I believe it is an interpolation of the color palette but then again I could be wrong.

Hello,

My projector decided to give up the ghost (an Optoma HD65). I am waiting to receive my DVDO edge back from getting repair (yes..what luck I have). As I am starting to look at different projectors I was wondering if anyone has any experience running the DVDO edge with the Mitsubishi HC4000 or the Optoma HD200X-LV? I am going to be shooting on a 135" screen (Cinema Gray).