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post #6601 of 6974
7/7/11 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by audiodane View Post

...Regardless of source devices, if both destination devices are off (Display and Audio-only device such as AVR), shouldn't the Edge go into standby mode as well? Apparently I'm the only one with a Tivo that thinks this would be a good feature. No need heating up my AV rack when my TV is off!

I'd like to confirm what I said earlier. I'm not sure what is different between your setup and mine, but I checked and I'm not having either of the two problems you described.

I just picked up my Edge and looked at it closely... it is room temperature and there are no LED lights on. I'd say it definitely turns off a few minutes after I turn off my projector and receiver. It also turns on when I turn on my receiver and will play audio. However, it will turn off a few minutes later if there is no audio or video received from the the source device.

One of the recent FW updates (1.15 if my memory serves me correctly) addressed the situation where the Edge will allow you to play a source with audio but with no video.
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post #6602 of 6974
7/9/11 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by audiodane View Post

There's no easy way to put the Tivo in standby mode, I would have to navigate all sorts of menus. But internally the Tivo of course must remain on while it waits for upcoming programs to record.. But why should I have to turn off the Tivo? Regardless of source devices, if both destination devices are off (Display and Audio-only device such as AVR), shouldn't the Edge go into standby mode as well? Apparently I'm the only one with a Tivo that thinks this would be a good feature. No need heating up my AV rack when my TV is off!

Obviously it's not causing problems (except wasted power and unnecessary heat generation), certainly not enough to sell the unit, but would be a great feature add.

I would like to see an option for the Edge to go into standby mode when the display device is turned off too. You are not alone...
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post #6603 of 6974
7/9/11 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I'd like to confirm what I said earlier. I'm not sure what is different between your setup and mine, but I checked and I'm not having either of the two problems you described.

I just picked up my Edge and looked at it closely... it is room temperature and there are no LED lights on. I'd say it definitely turns off a few minutes after I turn off my projector and receiver. It also turns on when I turn on my receiver and will play audio. However, it will turn off a few minutes later if there is no audio or video received from the the source device.

One of the recent FW updates (1.15 if my memory serves me correctly) addressed the situation where the Edge will allow you to play a source with audio but with no video.

Do you have a TiVo or a device that always outputs an HDMI signal?
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post #6604 of 6974
7/9/11 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by barend View Post

As mentioned in my other posting, I wanted to upgrade 1.25 to 1.60.
After going through the motions I am getting the message on my computer "USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED- NO DRIVER INSTALLED".
Tried with my Windows 7 netbook and on my Windows 7 PC, same results.
Also tried my friend's XP Machine and his MAC, same error message...
What can this be?
Is there some driver I need to install first? Nothing in the instructions about that...
Strange that v1.25 is not in the upgrade changelist, did they sell me an old beta unit?
Thanks


No idea at all, folks?
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post #6605 of 6974
7/9/11 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by barend View Post

No idea at all, folks?

Hello barend,
I've had my Edge since the beginning. I think I've seen this maybe once but it's been a long time ago. I do remember making sure the rest button is held long enough for the LED to stop flashing, then I look in Windows Explorer and the Edge is recognized as another drive letter with the old firmware visible, then you can delete and copy the new one over. If all else fails with USB devices I usually go into Device Manager and delete the unrecognizable USB device and then start over with the Edge reset button to redetect it. Sorry for this information if you have already tried all this.
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post #6606 of 6974
7/9/11 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I would like to see an option for the Edge to go into standby mode when the display device is turned off too. You are not alone...

I have a Tivo and Edge. As a workaround, I set up a macro on my remote so that when I press the "power on" button on the remote, my display, AVR and Edge all turn on. When I hit the "off" button on the remote, all devices turn off.

It works perfectly with my inexpensive programmable remote.
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post #6607 of 6974
7/10/11 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

Do you have a TiVo or a device that always outputs an HDMI signal?

I've a Tivo. My Edge definitely turns off when I turn off both my projector and my receiver. There is no light on in the front, and it is cool to the touch. I believe the Edge used to turn off when the projector (or display) was turned off, but people asked to be able to play audio sources without turning on a display device, so one of the recent firmware upgrades made it so you have to turn off both your receiver and your display.
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post #6608 of 6974
7/10/11 at 5:47pm
Thanks for the firmware update advise, mine was also running 1.25 and going by the file the new one is 2 years newer. Couldn't have been a simpler update.
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post #6609 of 6974
7/15/11 at 1:38pm
Catching up ...

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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post
Dane-
I've Tivo and it seems to me that the Edge actually turns off automatically for me if I turn off my projector and my receiver (the red light does turn off). Also, I can play my receiver's FM radio without turning on the projector, so I assume I could listen to CDs as well.
I don't remember if I turn on auto-switching, but I believe it is not on (it never worked for me because I often turn on several sources at once and switch between them) after the last firmware update, so you may find that the Edge does what you want if you change that setting.
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post
I'd like to confirm what I said earlier. I'm not sure what is different between your setup and mine, but I checked and I'm not having either of the two problems you described.

I just picked up my Edge and looked at it closely... it is room temperature and there are no LED lights on. I'd say it definitely turns off a few minutes after I turn off my projector and receiver. It also turns on when I turn on my receiver and will play audio. However, it will turn off a few minutes later if there is no audio or video received from the the source device.

One of the recent FW updates (1.15 if my memory serves me correctly) addressed the situation where the Edge will allow you to play a source with audio but with no video.
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post
I would like to see an option for the Edge to go into standby mode when the display device is turned off too. You are not alone...
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post
I've a Tivo. My Edge definitely turns off when I turn off both my projector and my receiver. There is no light on in the front, and it is cool to the touch. I believe the Edge used to turn off when the projector (or display) was turned off, but people asked to be able to play audio sources without turning on a display device, so one of the recent firmware upgrades made it so you have to turn off both your receiver and your display.
Interesting. I'm running 1.51. I have not upgraded to 1.6 because I didn't see anything LISTED in the changelog that peaked my interest. But if you (Hyrax) claim that it shuts off when both downstream devices are off, then by ALL MEANS I will try this out this weekend!!! When my downstream devices are off, the Edge goes into a blinking blue (cannot establish downstream link) and stays there indefinitely, blazing away with its heat generation until the end of time.

I will most certainly try this and report back.

..dane
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post #6610 of 6974
7/15/11 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by audiodane View Post
Catching up ...









Interesting. I'm running 1.51. I have not upgraded to 1.6 because I didn't see anything LISTED in the changelog that peaked my interest. But if you (Hyrax) claim that it shuts off when both downstream devices are off, then by ALL MEANS I will try this out this weekend!!! When my downstream devices are off, the Edge goes into a blinking blue (cannot establish downstream link) and stays there indefinitely, blazing away with its heat generation until the end of time.

I will most certainly try this and report back.

..dane
I'm looking forward to your findings. I am on the same firmware as you, and I also get the blinking blue light after powering down my display.
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post #6611 of 6974
7/16/11 at 10:22am
I'm interested in using the Edge as an intermediate device between a cable box and my PC monitor. According to what I've read here this will work so long as the correct info is reported by the monitor. I'm referring to this post:

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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

I think what you are missing is that a 1920x1200 (WUXGA) display is designed as a computer monitor. Every computer monitor that I have connected EDGE to has the correct timing descriptors for the preferred output format which EDGE can output when in the 'Auto' Output Format mode.

So, my question is does my Dell 2209WA (1680x1050) have the correct timing descriptors? Dell Support, the natural place to ask, is no help. It's very hard to get them to understand what you're asking, and all departments are the wrong one for such questions.
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post #6612 of 6974
7/17/11 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I'm looking forward to your findings. I am on the same firmware as you, and I also get the blinking blue light after powering down my display.

Just on this.. I'm sure my system powered down even with the ver old 1.25 firmware. I think first it shows a blue light (not blinking) and then it simply turns off.
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post #6613 of 6974
7/17/11 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I'm looking forward to your findings. I am on the same firmware as you, and I also get the blinking blue light after powering down my display.

Just on this.. I'm sure my system powered down even with the ver old 1.25 firmware. I think first it shows a blue light (not blinking) and then it simply turns off.

There does appear to be more options now in the menu but otherwise haven't seen a difference on how it behaves.
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post #6614 of 6974
7/17/11 at 9:38pm
tmu77-
They've got a Tivo and are concerned that their Edge doesn't turn off when they power down their display. I just checked it again this evening, and mine definitely does. But I may have misunderstood what my Edge does. I turn off my source (say PS3) and then turn of my projector. The light on the Edge goes red and then a few minutes later it shuts down completely. The same thing happens when I turn off the source, the projector, and then my receiver.
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post #6615 of 6974
7/17/11 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

Just on this.. I'm sure my system powered down even with the ver old 1.25 firmware. I think first it shows a blue light (not blinking) and then it simply turns off.

There does appear to be more options now in the menu but otherwise haven't seen a difference on how it behaves.

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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

tmu77-
They've got a Tivo and are concerned that their Edge doesn't turn off when they power down their display. I just checked it again this evening, and mine definitely does. But I may have misunderstood what my Edge does. I turn off my source (say PS3) and then turn of my projector. The light on the Edge goes red and then a few minutes later it shuts down completely. The same thing happens when I turn off the source, the projector, and then my receiver.

Hyrax is correct. With a TiVo connected, the Edge will not power down. All I get is a blinking blue light.
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post #6616 of 6974
7/18/11 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I'm looking forward to your findings. I am on the same firmware as you, and I also get the blinking blue light after powering down my display.

I'm on the latest FW and I get the blinking blue light if the display powers off.

Kind Regards,

Keith
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post #6617 of 6974
7/21/11 at 1:57pm
I'm curious about output settings. My 120hz TV is capable of properly displaying 24p content and 60Hz. It can not display PAL/50Hz content.

For 24p blu-rays, I'll be outputting at 1080p/24. For native 60Hz content - Video Games, TV broadcast, etc - I'll have it output at 1080p/60.

What should I do for 24p film-based content on other 60Hz formats, such as DVD, VCD, and VHS? Would outputting at 1080p/24 undo the pulldown effect, or just make things worse? Would this also apply to PAL DVDs of films? And, finally, what of native PAL content (DVDs of TV programs, etc.)?
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post #6618 of 6974
7/21/11 at 2:09pm
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What should I do for 24p film-based content on other 60Hz formats, such as DVD, VCD, and VHS?

If you have a good NTSC source, for example DVDs from 2002/2003 onwards, then the inverse 3:2 pulldown should work very well. On worse sources (VHS, TV with ad breaks, Laserdiscs or early video-sourced DVDs) you should keep the output at 60Hz.

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Would outputting at 1080p/24 undo the pulldown effect, or just make things worse?

It works amazingly well on good sources. You'll get an occasional hickup on bad edits (or DVD layer breaks).

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Would this also apply to PAL DVDs of films? And, finally, what of native PAL content (DVDs of TV programs, etc.)?

If your TV doesn't support 1080p50 for PAL material, you can have the Edge output the material at 60Hz. The Edge still does proper film 2:2 deinterlacing before converting p50 to p60. The result is similar to what a 3:2 pulldown on NTSC material looks like. You cannot output PAL material with 1080p24.
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post #6619 of 6974
7/23/11 at 2:27pm
I appreciate the info. Oddly enough, my Edge Green can, in fact, output 24p from a 50Hz source, but it looks unnatural in my tests.

Another issue: the Edge Green doesn't seem to accept 1080p over component from my 360. Can anyone confirm that the unit has issues with this?
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post #6620 of 6974
7/23/11 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by starschwar View Post

I appreciate the info. Oddly enough, my Edge Green can, in fact, output 24p from a 50Hz source, but it looks unnatural in my tests.

Another issue: the Edge Green doesn't seem to accept 1080p over component from my 360. Can anyone confirm that the unit has issues with this?

I encountered this situation a while back and asked them about it. This is the answer I received:

EDGE cannot accept 1080p component video input. So restrict the component video signal to less than 1080p.
Try the following setting:
Settings > Advanced Controls > Frame Lock > Unlock


Setting to 1080i worked for me, I only settled for this because I really only use Xbox 360 for HD-DVD playback and it unfortunately doesn't output 24p at all.

Hope this helps.
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post #6621 of 6974
7/23/11 at 8:29pm
And yet, their data sheet says otherwise:

Technical Specifications
Nine Video Inputs
• One Composite (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
• One S-Video (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
• One Component (YPbPr or RGB/S) processes 480i/p-60, 576i/p-50, 720p-50/60,
1080i-50/60, 1080p-60
• One Component/RGBHV (YPbPr/RGBS/RGBHV) processes 480i/p60, 576i/p-50,
720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60, 1080p-60, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz
• Five HDMI 1.3 processes 480i/p-60, 576 i/p-50, 720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60,
1080p-24/50/60, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz

Weird.
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post #6622 of 6974
7/25/11 at 2:46pm
Hi,

I need a scaler to stretch my image for my CIH setup.
The edge seems to be a good choice for a good price.

Someone have a tip where to buy a dvd edge for a reasonable price?
And want to ship to the Netherlands

thanx for the help
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post #6623 of 6974
7/25/11 at 3:41pm
Master30-
I'm not so sure the Edge provides an easy method for CIH playback. I've never seen a 'one touch' method of stretching the image. Others can tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have to manually zoom to make a 2:35 image fit the screen, and then manually remove the zoom for 16:9 material.
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post #6624 of 6974
7/25/11 at 6:31pm
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Master30-
I'm not so sure the Edge provides an easy method for CIH playback. I've never seen a 'one touch' method of stretching the image. Others can tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have to manually zoom to make a 2:35 image fit the screen, and then manually remove the zoom for 16:9 material.

I use an Edge with a Panamorph HE Anamorphic lens. Select 4:3 mode on the remote and its done. Where the Edge falls down is, it will not shrink video which limits its usage for aspect ratios less than 2.35 - Patton for example which is 2.20. The vast majority of Scope encodes on BD are 2.35. For other than these I use an HTPC but rarely need it. For odd ratios a Lumagen is a better choice. If the choice is to leave the lens in place this is also not an issue.

td
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post #6625 of 6974
7/26/11 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by master30 View Post

Hi,

I need a scaler to stretch my image for my CIH setup.
The edge seems to be a good choice for a good price.

Someone have a tip where to buy a dvd edge for a reasonable price?
And want to ship to the Netherlands

thanx for the help

I bought mine from Amazon USA. Saved a fortune compared to UK prices. Took about a week to arrive.

Kind Regards,

Keith
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post #6626 of 6974
7/26/11 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by master30 View Post

Hi,

I need a scaler to stretch my image for my CIH setup.
The edge seems to be a good choice for a good price.

Someone have a tip where to buy a dvd edge for a reasonable price?
And want to ship to the Netherlands

thanx for the help

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I bought mine from Amazon USA. Saved a fortune compared to UK prices. Took about a week to arrive.

Kind Regards,

Keith


Hi master30,

Hi Keith,

I did the same thing a couple of years ago---bought an EDGE from Amazon for the TV set-up in my Living Room. Liked it so much, I later bought a second unit for my HT. With the second one, though, I found a very good deal right here at AVS. Both sellers provide excellent service and pricing.

EDIT: I assume (?) they both still carry the EDGE. Haven't checked in a while.

Happy home theater-ing!


Tom
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post #6627 of 6974
7/28/11 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by Tom Hilton View Post

Hi master30,

Hi Keith,

I did the same thing a couple of years ago---bought an EDGE from Amazon for the TV set-up in my Living Room. Liked it so much, I later bought a second unit for my HT. With the second one, though, I found a very good deal right here at AVS. Both sellers provide excellent service and pricing.

EDIT: I assume (?) they both still carry the EDGE. Haven't checked in a while.

Happy home theater-ing!


Tom

thanx for the answer,

Edge can do the stretch, vp50pro also

I have to be patient and wait for a good deal. I saw edges sold around $250, vp50pro $300

So if someone want to sell me an edge or vp50pro and ship to The Netherlands, contact me!
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post #6628 of 6974
8/1/11 at 12:35am
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Originally Posted by TommyV View Post
I have noticed that since simplaylabs bought ABT, customer service is not what it used to be. I have never been able to get my audio dropouts issue resolved. I have all my sources except my Oppo BDP-80 and Roku connected directly to my pre/pro because of the constant audio dropouts of bitstream DD audio signals routed via HDMI through the Edge and out the HDMI Audio port.

Since most content is 2ch PCM on the Roku and I have to set my Oppo to LPCM (instead of Auto like is preferred) those are the only that work consistently. I even have a digi coax as backup from my Oppo for DD/DTS content.

Sometimes I get other weird bugs and issues with it as well but the audio dropout of bitstream signals is the most consistent. I love the picture quality and all the switch capability but the FW is far from perfect. Somehow I doubt that simplaylabs will be updating the fw ever for this model.
I got a short response from Ken Nguyen.

"Simplay Labs will continue to support DVDO products.

I believe we have resolved most of the audio issues. Units that still have audio issues are usually due to a hardware fault in that specific unit or the unit need some minor adjustment of the timing.

Can you describe the audio issues you are having and other problems that you are seeing?

I sent back a response. I will see if they stand behind the product.

Has anyone got the new Edge Green and still have audio dropouts?

I will keep you all updated on what they say.
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post #6629 of 6974
8/1/11 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by TommyV View Post

I got a short response from Ken Nguyen.

"Simplay Labs will continue to support DVDO products.

I believe we have resolved most of the audio issues. Units that still have audio issues are usually due to a hardware fault in that specific unit or the unit need some minor adjustment of the timing.

Can you describe the audio issues you are having and other problems that you are seeing?

I sent back a response. I will see if they stand behind the product.

Has anyone got the new Edge Green and still have audio dropouts?

I will keep you all updated on what they say.

I sent my Duo in for repair before they moved to their new Simplay offices (was getting audio dropouts on TrueHD blu-rays. Ken has been great. He thinks they've fixed my problem and they should be sending my Duo back tomorrow.

So, I wouldn't worry about DVDO product support. They've been terrific to me.
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post #6630 of 6974
8/2/11 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by TommyV View Post

I got a short response from Ken Nguyen.

"Simplay Labs will continue to support DVDO products.

I believe we have resolved most of the audio issues. Units that still have audio issues are usually due to a hardware fault in that specific unit or the unit need some minor adjustment of the timing.

Can you describe the audio issues you are having and other problems that you are seeing?

I sent back a response. I will see if they stand behind the product.

Has anyone got the new Edge Green and still have audio dropouts?

I will keep you all updated on what they say.

I recently bought one of the last of the pre-Green Edges. So far, I have had no problems. In particular, no audio dropouts. (Knock wood!) It came with f/w 1.60 installed. I bought Edges in 2008 and 2010 and returned both, due to the audio (and other) problems.

Have you tried f/w 1.60? I bought again, after someone posted that it finally solved the Dolby dropouts.

Hope you get it resolved, one way or another.
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