New DVDO EDGE !! - Page 233

Hey guys,

I had awful vertical judgger recently watching a movie that I recorded on my DirecTV DVR. The movie was Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows (good flick) and the PQ was excellent off the 1080i source ... except during wide sweeping pans (which this film has a lot of). I would get that jerkiness in the material that I believe is judder.

I have my Edge setup in this way:

Source X --> Edge --> video direct to Panasonic ST50 and audio direct to Denon AVR-2807 --> which then feeds a Rotel RMB-1075.

When the Source is my DirecTV DVR (HR21) and I am watching a movie I get this nasty judder. Blu Ray (from PS3) and HD-DVD (from XA2) does not seem to have this issue.

On the TV I have motion smoothing off (as well as all noise reduction). For my DirecTV source -- I do have contrast boosted, as well as some edge and detail enhancement and noise reduction enabled.

I wanted to see if the Edge could help reduce or eliminate this unsightly judder. I read on post 1 of this thread about this feature:

It appears that to use this feature I need to disable 1080i output on the DirecTV box, and instead output 720p -- and let the Edge do its work. Is this correct? Would this help with the Judder? Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Some boxes allow you to output the "native" signal from the box (be it 720p or 1080i depending on the source). Does your box have such a setting? Since your TV displays a progressive signal then the 720p to 1080p processing the Edge does is just scaling, unless you have PReP enabled. For 1080i signals the Edge performed a de-interlacing function to 1080p. The issue may be that you are watching a 720p signal that the DirectTV box is de-interlacing to 1080i internally and then outputting that signal to the Edge. This is why I prefer native output whenever possible.

I believe I have my DirecTV box in native mode. However, the movie was downloaded (it was Cinemax on demand) in 1080i I believe. Because it was in 1080i though -- if I am reading the prior post correctly -- Progressive Cadence Detection would not be functioning. Would Progressive Cadence Detection help to solve the judder issue?

Edit: So I left the DirecTV DVR in Native -- but de-selected 1080i as an available resolution. So now it has 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080p as available resolutions. Since other than on-demand DirecTV Cinema, there is no HD content on DirecTV in 1080p, almost all content will be output from the box in 720p@60hz (with the Edge upscaling it to 1080p 60hz internally). I will let you know if I notice an improvement on judder.
Edited by Skrill - 3/5/13 at 6:00pm

Yeah, if it's fixed output, you basically end up with half your channels in the output format, and half at 720i, which is half HD. It worked great when TVs were either 720P or 1080i, but it doesn't work in a 1080p world.

Hello> I couldn't find an "Edge Green" forum, so I'm asking my question on this one. I'm wanting to get an "Edge Green" to use with my LD player so I can "scale" and have some control over color, contrast and brightness for the player only. I have a Pioneer KRP 600M plasma and plan on using the DVI input (with HDMI adapter) just for laserdiscs. Will this get the job done and where might I get the best price on the Edge Green? I recall that sometime last year (?) the factory was selling them for $299.00. Thanks!

The 600M already has the three controls (input specific) you want (unless they don't go far enough) and more NR options than the Edge. It would help a bit with scaling and avoid overscan on the 600M. If you're getting it you'd want to use it for all sources and no particular need to use the DVI input.

What LD player do you have?

I am wanting to use the DVI input, just for LD playback. The two HDMI ports are being used for Dish network (using Pure) and the other is on the output of my new Marantz receiver (SR 7007), mostly for Blu and DVD playback, using ISF Night. I discovered that I can use the second HDMI out on the Marantz to feed the DVI input on my KRP (with an adapter, of course) so I can benefit from the Marantz's internal scaler. I am using the Pure mode on this input as well, but I think the pic modes, sure as Pure are "global", wherein if a change is made in that mode on one input it will affect that same mode on another input. Is this correct? And, if it is, I was thinking that I could use the "Move" mode for LD, so I could make adjustments. I have an LD version on Video Essentials, but some of it wouldn't apply, such as setting the contrast control with that bending line on the screen and besides that, there wouldn't be any way to make detailed adjustments for color, etc. using the disc. My LD player is a Pioneer DVL 700. It has a couple of picture controls for LD playback and I'm using the "Cinema 2" setting which, according to the manual, has enhanced black levels and colors (a little too much so). But using the Standard playback mode, the blacks look gray and the colors are sort of washed out. Also, many laserdiscs themselves, unless they are THX processed, are usually all over the place in terms of picture quality...some good and some bad.
So, maybe the Edge Green wouldn't help me that much.

It's been a long time since I changed anything on my Kuro but IIRC the modes and controls are input specific, certainly the ISF modes are. It's easy to find out yourself. If you have not unlocked the ISF modes it's well worth doing. The DVI input isn't particularly special or different from HDMI for the video. I try to find out what vp chip the Marantz uses but a quick search doesn't reveal any names. If you're happy with it for DVDs then try it with LDs.

Hello. I'm interested in getting an Apple TV for iTunes and Netflix content, but I really want 24p output and the Apple TV only does 1080p60. It looks like the DVDO EDGE's PReP feature does what I want, so I was wondering if anyone has tried an Apple TV/DVDO EDGE/24p display combination, and could confirm whether and how well it works?

Doesn't work, sorry. Unfortunately the AppleTV screws up the 3:2 cadence of the source material while it does output 720p60 or 1080p60.

This means that the Edge can't reconstruct the original cadence and therefore can't convert the input to 1080p24.

Definitely Apple's fault by the way. If you try the same from a media player or BD player with 60Hz output, the Edge will do a flawless conversion to 24p.

Ah, that's a shame, but thanks so much for your reply. That would have been a pricey failed experiment! iTunes works well at 24p from my Mac, so I guess I'll keep using that for now and get some other device that can do 24p Netflix. Thanks again!

Can anyone explain to me exactly the difference between "input" and "output" settings in the Advanced settings menu?

For example, input/output deep color setting. Should I set input AND output to 36-bit for the PS3 or just one of them? I just do not fully understand the difference between input versus output.

I tried searching but had no luck finding an understandable difference.

Thanks guys!

Anyone have any recent EDGE repair experience? Mine just started "blanking" the HDMI output until I power off and power back back on. Used to happen once in a while now it happens every 5 min so I pulled the EDGE out of my rack and am using my receiver to switch HDMI and using my display's native controls and scaling. Not sure if the EDGE can be repaired inexpensively enough or if I have to just toss it. Advice welcome!

Hello. I currently have all of my video components running through my Denon AVR-3311CI receiver.
I was wondering is the video processor in the DVDO Edge Green would product better results then my 3311.

Does anyone own both of these that could give me some feedback as to whether the DVDO Edge Green is worth the money?

My TV is a 80" Sharp 844U.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!