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post #241 of 3258
I swapped out all my HDMI cables and still having dropouts between the PS3, the 03 and the Sony KDS-60A3000. Anyone else having HDMI dropout problems? It's not a huge deal for me, as 95%+ the picture recovers, but about every one in 20 times it doesn't and I have to either hit pause/play or chapter back to get the picture to come up. I'm wondering if I have a defective unit or if this is expected performance?

Otherwise, I'm completely in awe of this receiver!
post #242 of 3258
ok, so got it, like it better than the 1018, but my wii's color is al jacked up! there is a lot of green and the screen has a refresh issue if i do it over hdmi.

Any known issue? i can run a component cable to fix it but i would like to out put over hdmi if i could
post #243 of 3258
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

I swapped out all my HDMI cables and still having dropouts between the PS3, the 03 and the Sony KDS-60A3000. Anyone else having HDMI dropout problems? It's not a huge deal for me, as 95%+ the picture recovers, but about every one in 20 times it doesn't and I have to either hit pause/play or chapter back to get the picture to come up. I'm wondering if I have a defective unit or if this is expected performance?

Otherwise, I'm completely in awe of this receiver!

Hey Carlo-

Sorry to hear that you're having trouble with your -03. Take a peak at the tiny little HDMI boards or prongs or whatever they're called that is in the HDMI input & outputs on the receiver. If it wiggles it's bad news. Perhaps the one on your output is broken? Even if it isn't broken, I wouldn't live with this- I'd exchange it if you can...

I bought an Elite 94 about 6 months ago and it's working great for me. At one point I put quite a bit of stress on the HDMI output connector when I pushed the unit back in my cabinet. I was using a thick monoprice HDMI cable. I ended up cutting a large hole in the back of my cabinet so the cables could hang behind the cabinet and bought a cheaper thinner (more pliable) HDMI monoprice cable so that there wouldn't be nearly as much stress. I love HDMI for it's one cable for A & V, all digital- but hate the connector itself. Very poor design- between the fact that the cables can be pulled out easily and that little board is breaking on folks when they put too much stress on the connection. I'm thinking about getting a -01 for my parents for a Christmas gift...

Good luck! AL
post #244 of 3258
I just bought the VSX-01 receiver and was hoping somebody could help me figure out if/how I can have the audio come from the speakers on my TV. I have my cable box input to the receiver using an HDMI cable and then the receiver is connected to my Pioneer pro-1150 TV via an HDMI cable as well. The audio then only comes from the speakers that are attached to the receiver. There are times I would just like to listen to the TV sound. Any ideas?
post #245 of 3258
pistolpetejr -- Run the digital (optical) audio from the cable box to the TV. If the TV doesn't have an optical input, you can always use the stereo (the R/L RCA plugs) connections from the cable box to the TV set. When you do want to use your speaker system, you will have to click on the TV's "Mute" button to turn off the TV's speakers.
post #246 of 3258
-claus
Thanks.
I will try running 2 audio cables from the cable box to the tv. so I guess the receiver somehow just doesn't send the audio through the HDMI cable. Is that a common "feature" that other receivers have?
post #247 of 3258
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Originally Posted by pistolpetejr View Post

... I guess the receiver somehow just doesn't send the audio through the HDMI cable. Is that a common "feature" that other receivers have?

No.

I don't know of any which both decode the signal and pass it through at the same time. You can set them to do one or the other, but not both simultaneously. I think it's inherent to HDCP.
post #248 of 3258
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Originally Posted by pnkflyd51 View Post

Hey Carlo-

Sorry to hear that you're having trouble with your -03. Take a peak at the tiny little HDMI boards or prongs or whatever they're called that is in the HDMI input & outputs on the receiver. If it wiggles it's bad news. Perhaps the one on your output is broken? Even if it isn't broken, I wouldn't live with this- I'd exchange it if you can...

I bought an Elite 94 about 6 months ago and it's working great for me. At one point I put quite a bit of stress on the HDMI output connector when I pushed the unit back in my cabinet. I was using a thick monoprice HDMI cable. I ended up cutting a large hole in the back of my cabinet so the cables could hang behind the cabinet and bought a cheaper thinner (more pliable) HDMI monoprice cable so that there wouldn't be nearly as much stress. I love HDMI for it's one cable for A & V, all digital- but hate the connector itself. Very poor design- between the fact that the cables can be pulled out easily and that little board is breaking on folks when they put too much stress on the connection. I'm thinking about getting a -01 for my parents for a Christmas gift...

Good luck! AL

Nothing looks loose, and that board looks solid. At no point was I ever space-constrained, and I am using the lighter 28 gauge monoprice cables so I don't think stress is a factor. Ugh, I really hate the hassle of exchanging, but I think I'll continue to do some testing until I exhaust all other options.
post #249 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

No.

I don't know of any which both decode the signal and pass it through at the same time. You can set them to do one or the other, but not both simultaneously. I think it's inherent to HDCP.

I ran left and right audio cables from my cable box to input #4 on my pioneer 1150. This is the same input number as the HDMI is. I still do not get any sound through the TV. If I instead attach the audio cables to input #3 I get sound (but no video since the HDMI is inut #4). I'm sure I must be doing something wrong??
post #250 of 3258
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Originally Posted by pistolpetejr View Post

I ran left and right audio cables from my cable box to input #4 on my pioneer 1150. This is the same input number as the HDMI is. I still do not get any sound through the TV. If I instead attach the audio cables to input #3 I get sound (but no video since the HDMI is inut #4). I'm sure I must be doing something wrong??

Do you have the TV's HDMI audio input set to "Digital?" If so, it will only accept digital input. Try using "Auto." If that doesn't work, try "Analog" as that's all you are using anyway. It's been over a year since I fooled with that on my 5080, but IIRC, Auto didn't work right for me for some forgotten reason. I changed it to Analog and all was well. (I have my satellite box set up as you describe, except I don't run its HDMI through my AVR. I use an S/PDIF connection to the AVR.)

You might want to check your cable box settings as well. There may be a setting there that needs changing.

All else failing, if you are using the HDMI control function, check those settings. They can cause some unexpected consequences, or so I've heard (I've never used it).
post #251 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Do you have the TV's HDMI audio input set to "Digital?" If so, it will only accept digital input. Try using "Auto." If that doesn't work, try "Analog" as that's all you are using anyway. It's been over a year since I fooled with that on my 5080, but IIRC, Auto didn't work right for me for some forgotten reason. I changed it to Analog and all was well. (I have my satellite box set up as you describe, except I don't run its HDMI through my AVR. I use an S/PDIF connection to the AVR.)

You might want to check your cable box settings as well. There may be a setting there that needs changing.

All else failing, if you are using the HDMI control function, check those settings. They can cause some unexpected consequences, or so I've heard (I've never used it).

I played around with the settings you mentioned and also made some changes to the HDMI control settings and it still did not work. The I gave up and went out to get some dinner. When I came back and turned everything back on I started getting sound through the TV speakers. Hurray! Thanks a lot \\for your help guys.
-Pete
post #252 of 3258
Several pages back there was a mention of the vx-01 defaulting back to the tv input rather than to the last source used.Including a response from Pioneer regarding this issue.
The idea of using one hdmi cable from my Pioneer 5080 to the vx-01 is preferred with no additional delay.
Is this still an issue ?
post #253 of 3258
Just curious: is no one else having HDMI dropout issues between the 03 and a PS3?

Thanks!
post #254 of 3258
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

Just curious: is no one else having HDMI dropout issues between the 03 and a PS3?

Thanks!

I had this problem from time to time between my 01 and PS3 but replacing the HDMI cable solved it.
post #255 of 3258
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Originally Posted by DJL53 View Post

I had this problem from time to time between my 01 and PS3 but replacing the HDMI cable solved it.

May I ask what brand/model of cable you're currently using? Thanks!
post #256 of 3258
if i am playing over bitstream shouldn't my recevier display the DD sign then true hd or DTS-HD?

i had my ps3 on bitstream and it just said dd and dts. if i set it to pcm it shows pcm and on master and commander the bitrate was about 6mpbs while on bitstream it was 1.5
post #257 of 3258
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Originally Posted by freaksavior View Post

if i am playing over bitstream shouldn't my recevier display the DD sign then true hd or DTS-HD?

i had my ps3 on bitstream and it just said dd and dts. if i set it to pcm it shows pcm and on master and commander the bitrate was about 6mpbs while on bitstream it was 1.5

PS3 does not bitstream the new HD codecs such as Dolby TrueHD or DTA-HD/MA due to hardware limitation. Those will need to be set to output to PCM over HDMI. The PS3 will decode those codecs internally and output high bit rate (HBR) PCM. You can change the settings on the XMB under Sound Settings I believe.

If you do this, and run it through presumably your 01 or 03, can you post back and let us know if you're having any of the dropout issues I describe above?

Thanks!
post #258 of 3258
does 6.0mbps sound about right for a dts hd over pcm?

also is the 01 suppose to say DD true hd or DTS-HD when thats the audio playing?
post #259 of 3258
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Originally Posted by freaksavior View Post

does 6.0mbps sound about right for a dts hd over pcm?

also is the 01 suppose to say DD true hd or DTS-HD when thats the audio playing?

Since the PS3 is doing the decoding and sending it out as PCM, the 01 should only say PCM, as it doesn't know what the PS3 is decoding. And for DTS-MA and TrueHD I've seen anything from 1.0 mbps to over 8.0 mbps. It's a variable bit rate codec.
post #260 of 3258
Okay, I think I've narrowed it down to one disc that has dropout issues, and it's primarily audio dropout issues.

Can people try chapter skipping on John Mayer's "Where The Light Is" BD? I've now read on this forum of another person with audio dropouts and he's using a PS3 like me, and going to a Pioneer VSX-01TXH, which can't be much different from my 03.

Thanks!
post #261 of 3258
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

May I ask what brand/model of cable you're currently using? Thanks!

I replaced a six foot Monoprice cable with another six foot Monoprice cable.
post #262 of 3258
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

Since the PS3 is doing the decoding and sending it out as PCM, the 01 should only say PCM, as it doesn't know what the PS3 is decoding. And for DTS-MA and TrueHD I've seen anything from 1.0 mbps to over 8.0 mbps. It's a variable bit rate codec.

ok thanks.

Can you actually hear a difference in the bitstream and pcm versions?
post #263 of 3258
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Originally Posted by freaksavior View Post

ok thanks.

Can you actually hear a difference in the bitstream and pcm versions?

Nope, but that's because like you, I have a PS3 and can't do bitstream of the HD codecs so I have no basis of comparison!

Seriously, the decoding of the HD codec has to happen somewhere, whether it's in your receiver or the PS3. The fact that it's output via high bit rate PCM from the PS3 to the receiver should *in theory* provide no loss of fidelity. I'll let others argue whether that happens in practice.

Personally I'm thrilled about the quality of the sound, I can definitely tell the difference between the HD codec output via PCM over the standard Dolby Digital and DTS tracks. And, since the source machine is doing the decoding and sending it concurrently with the picture (rather than having the intermediary machine--the receiver--do it) I have not had one instance of lip sync problems.
post #264 of 3258
have an 03 that i've been happy with. this is my first hdmi receiver and wondering what sequence i should use to power up all my equipment. i have a pio 151/ sa 8300hd and ps3. should the 03 be powered up first or should the tv? maybe the dvr first? any suggestions would be helpful.
post #265 of 3258
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Originally Posted by glum View Post

have an 03 that i've been happy with. this is my first hdmi receiver and wondering what sequence i should use to power up all my equipment. i have a pio 151/ sa 8300hd and ps3. should the 03 be powered up first or should the tv? maybe the dvr first? any suggestions would be helpful.

Considering the 01 will default to TV/SAT if it's turned on first I always turn on the source input I want first then I turn on the 01. The 01 seems to lock onto the input source that way.

However I've noticed that if I turn on my DVD player first and there is no signal source (because I haven't actually pressed "play") the 01 will default back to TV/SAT.

So basically if you have a source sending a signal and then you turn on the 01 with the right input selection it will lock onto it.

This has to be the biggest annoyance I have with this receiver plus the fact you can't store input settings.
post #266 of 3258
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Originally Posted by howellk View Post

Considering the 01 will default to TV/SAT if it's turned on first I always turn on the source input I want first then I turn on the 01. The 01 seems to lock onto the input source that way.

However I've noticed that if I turn on my DVD player first and there is no signal source (because I haven't actually pressed "play") the 01 will default back to TV/SAT.

So basically if you have a source sending a signal and then you turn on the 01 with the right input selection it will lock onto it.

This has to be the biggest annoyance I have with this receiver plus the fact you can't store input settings.

I have a harmony 880 and its set to turn on in this order

01>tv>device i wanna use. it works fine. the 01 takes a little while to fully turn on so by the time everything else is on its done booted and locked on to the signal.

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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

Nope, but that's because like you, I have a PS3 and can't do bitstream of the HD codecs so I have no basis of comparison!

Seriously, the decoding of the HD codec has to happen somewhere, whether it's in your receiver or the PS3. The fact that it's output via high bit rate PCM from the PS3 to the receiver should *in theory* provide no loss of fidelity. I'll let others argue whether that happens in practice.

Personally I'm thrilled about the quality of the sound, I can definitely tell the difference between the HD codec output via PCM over the standard Dolby Digital and DTS tracks. And, since the source machine is doing the decoding and sending it concurrently with the picture (rather than having the intermediary machine--the receiver--do it) I have not had one instance of lip sync problems.

So you really dont know lol?

Im considering picking up a Panasonic DMP-BD30K to test weather or not lpcm or bitstream is better.
post #267 of 3258
Please let us know what you find re: bitstream vs. LPCM. Basically from what I understand the difference will be revealed only if one source is better at decoding than the other source. So if the 03 has better decoders than the PS3, then in theory bitstream should be better, and vice versa. I would think the decoding should be pretty comparable between the two units (the PS3 is no slouch).

When I have some time later I'll post my initial review of the 03 after about two weeks worth of putting it through its paces. Here's a brief synopsis, though: I very much like it.
post #268 of 3258
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

Please let us know what you find re: bitstream vs. LPCM. Basically from what I understand the difference will be revealed only if one source is better at decoding than the other source. So if the 03 has better decoders than the PS3, then in theory bitstream should be better, and vice versa. I would think the decoding should be pretty comparable between the two units (the PS3 is no slouch).

When I have some time later I'll post my initial review of the 03 after about two weeks worth of putting it through its paces. Here's a brief synopsis, though: I very much like it.

I will for sure.

i might go pick it up on the way home from school today and test it. i wish my girlfriend would have given me my iron man blu ray transformers and x-men III will have to do.
post #269 of 3258
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by freaksavior View Post

I have a harmony 880 and its set to turn on in this order

01>tv>device i wanna use. it works fine. the 01 takes a little while to fully turn on so by the time everything else is on its done booted and locked on to the signal.

Do you have a Pioneer TV with HDMI control on? I do and no matter what, if I turn on the 01, then the Kuro then the DVR or DVD it will always default to TV/SAT. All my connections are HDMI.

What I've noticed is, if I turn on the 01 first it will go back to my previous input because I see it flash up on the screen but if it doesn't find a signal from the last input source it will default back to TV/SAT. This happens even when I turn on the Kuro second in the chain.

It almost appears as though HDMI control causes a lag as the 01 is searching for an input signal and even when I turn on the input source during the Kuro handshake time the lag causes the 01 to default back to the TV/SAT.
post #270 of 3258
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Originally Posted by howellk View Post

Do you have a Pioneer TV with HDMI control on? I do and no matter what, if I turn on the 01, then the Kuro then the DVR or DVD it will always default to TV/SAT. All my connections are HDMI.

What I've noticed is, if I turn on the 01 first it will go back to my previous input because I see it flash up on the screen but if it doesn't find a signal from the last input source it will default back to TV/SAT. This happens even when I turn on the Kuro second in the chain.

It almost appears as though HDMI control causes a lag as the 01 is searching for an input signal and even when I turn on the input source during the Kuro handshake time the lag causes the 01 to default back to the TV/SAT.

I have my Kuro connected to my 03 with HDMI control on. Using the Kuro remote I turn on the plasma, the 03 powers on automatically to my Cable or HDMI input, then switches around until it stays on a 94hz Stereo or something like that. Never stays on my HDMI 1/Cable input. Really annoying. Requires reaching for the remote and selecting the HDMI input button. My Cable/DVR box is connected via HDMI and is always on - not powered off. This almost works, but I can't figure out how to get it to stick to HDMI 1/Cable...
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