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post #3061 of 3159
8/28/12 at 6:21am
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That was one of the show's mistakes, IMO. Last season and the one before Lafayette had a big role that allowed him to expand beyond the flamboyant flamer stereotype and he was good. This season, especially in the later episodes, it seemed like not only did he return to his old personality, he doubled down on the stereotype for nothing more than comic relief. Waste of a good actor.
Agreed. I thought we were past all that nonsense. I enjoy his character because he doesn't suffer fools and calls it like he sees it. But the stereotypical stuff just for its own sake is lazy writing (or direction).
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post #3062 of 3159
8/28/12 at 7:12am
I must have just missed seeing the stake because I was too fixated on Russell himself to see what he would do. Then he just crumbled and I was like "what the F?"
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post #3063 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:10am
One of the most annoying things about this show now for me is the way they just adjust the mythos to what they need.

All series long, older vampires (especially much older vampires) have been physically dominant to younger vampires. All series long, vampires have been physically dominant to humans.

Yet here we have the oldest vamp around getting "snuck up on" by someone 2000 years younger. We have Jason just mowing down vampire red shirts who decide to move around at human speed.

It just makes every situation hard to believe and takes all the intensity out of it. If they want vamp A to win, they just make him run super fast and kill like 20 vampires/humans in under a second. If they don't want him to win, they just make him walk around like a human.

It's just cheap writing. Why would the vampires even consider waging war with the humans if some newbie cop from a podunk town in Louisiana can mow through half of the vampire secret service without anything beyond basic training of how to shoot a gun? That "war" wouldn't last 10 seconds.

They build up vampires to be all powerful, until they need a scene to go a different direction and then they just make them pansies. They build up older vamps to be almost invincible, reacting to everything instantly, until they need them to die and then they just make them really slow and unobservant.

The Authority was a huge letdown as well. All series long it's been built up as this great, scary ruling power and then it's basically a bunch of kiddy vamps playing games with barely a semblance of organization at all. They all just kind of do their own thing and apparently add vampires to their ruling body on a whim even when they clearly are entirely against their movement (Eric).
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post #3064 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I must have just missed seeing the stake because I was too fixated on Russell himself to see what he would do. Then he just crumbled and I was like "what the F?"

Yeah, the stake was just resting on Russel's chest. Eric hadn't pushed it in yet. And the final "nail in that coffin' is the look of shock and surprise on Eric's face when Russel dissolved away. He didn't kill Russel, the faeries did.
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post #3065 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

One of the most annoying things about this show now for me is the way they just adjust the mythos to what they need..

Completely agree. There are no consistent rules whatsoever.

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Yeah, the stake was just resting on Russel's chest. Eric hadn't pushed it in yet. And the final "nail in that coffin' is the look of shock and surprise on Eric's face when Russel dissolved away. He didn't kill Russel, the faeries did.

Completely disagree. Eric killed Russell. Eric turned his head when he knew Russell was going to explode into pulp. Eric then said that he enjoyed it more than he thought he would.
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post #3066 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:21am
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Yeah, the stake was just resting on Russel's chest. Eric hadn't pushed it in yet. And the final "nail in that coffin' is the look of shock and surprise on Eric's face when Russel dissolved away. He didn't kill Russel, the faeries did.

Watch it again.

Edgington as a 3000+ year old vampire when staked dissolves rather slowly, blood cracks appear in his face and then he finally falls apart. He even gets a couple lines.

Salome had a longer than usual death too since she's 2000 years old.

Sorta like Wile E Coyote not realizing he has gone over the cliff and still running forward...
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post #3067 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

One of the most annoying things about this show now for me is the way they just adjust the mythos to what they need.

All series long, older vampires (especially much older vampires) have been physically dominant to younger vampires. All series long, vampires have been physically dominant to humans.

Yet here we have the oldest vamp around getting "snuck up on" by someone 2000 years younger. We have Jason just mowing down vampire red shirts who decide to move around at human speed.

It just makes every situation hard to believe and takes all the intensity out of it. If they want vamp A to win, they just make him run super fast and kill like 20 vampires/humans in under a second. If they don't want him to win, they just make him walk around like a human.

It's just cheap writing. Why would the vampires even consider waging war with the humans if some newbie cop from a podunk town in Louisiana can mow through half of the vampire secret service without anything beyond basic training of how to shoot a gun? That "war" wouldn't last 10 seconds.

They build up vampires to be all powerful, until they need a scene to go a different direction and then they just make them pansies. They build up older vamps to be almost invincible, reacting to everything instantly, until they need them to die and then they just make them really slow and unobservant.

The Authority was a huge letdown as well. All series long it's been built up as this great, scary ruling power and then it's basically a bunch of kiddy vamps playing games with barely a semblance of organization at all. They all just kind of do their own thing and apparently add vampires to their ruling body on a whim even when they clearly are entirely against their movement (Eric).

I agree on everything except Eric and Russell. Russell was drunk on fairy juice, and distracted by the faeries.
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post #3068 of 3159
8/28/12 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Yeah, the stake was just resting on Russel's chest. Eric hadn't pushed it in yet. And the final "nail in that coffin' is the look of shock and surprise on Eric's face when Russel dissolved away. He didn't kill Russel, the faeries did.

Watch it again.

Edgington as a 3000+ year old vampire when staked dissolves rather slowly, blood cracks appear in his face and then he finally falls apart. He even gets a couple lines.

Salome had a longer than usual death too since she's 2000 years old.

Sorta like Wile E Coyote not realizing he has gone over the cliff and still running forward...

And yet Gordric was more susceptible to the sun because of his advanced age. Lazy writing.
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post #3069 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

One of the most annoying things about this show now for me is the way they just adjust the mythos to what they need.
All series long, older vampires (especially much older vampires) have been physically dominant to younger vampires. All series long, vampires have been physically dominant to humans.
Yet here we have the oldest vamp around getting "snuck up on" by someone 2000 years younger. We have Jason just mowing down vampire red shirts who decide to move around at human speed.
It just makes every situation hard to believe and takes all the intensity out of it. If they want vamp A to win, they just make him run super fast and kill like 20 vampires/humans in under a second. If they don't want him to win, they just make him walk around like a human.
It's just cheap writing. Why would the vampires even consider waging war with the humans if some newbie cop from a podunk town in Louisiana can mow through half of the vampire secret service without anything beyond basic training of how to shoot a gun? That "war" wouldn't last 10 seconds.
They build up vampires to be all powerful, until they need a scene to go a different direction and then they just make them pansies. They build up older vamps to be almost invincible, reacting to everything instantly, until they need them to die and then they just make them really slow and unobservant.
The Authority was a huge letdown as well. All series long it's been built up as this great, scary ruling power and then it's basically a bunch of kiddy vamps playing games with barely a semblance of organization at all. They all just kind of do their own thing and apparently add vampires to their ruling body on a whim even when they clearly are entirely against their movement (Eric).

Again, Edgington was not "snuck up on", he was intoxicated on fairy blood and focused on getting more. Even a baby vamp could have staked him...or a fairy while he's feeding.

Dunno what's going on with Jason. That Old-Fairy-Chick-Who-Was-Coco-In-Fame before she blasted Jason said "I banish you to the realms of beyond and begone"

Maybe he's now Super Jason? He's now chatting with dead relatives since he got blasted. Even Edgington commented that she was "turbocharged", maybe that blast that was supposed to waste vampires has another effect on the living?

The Authority essentially fell apart once Roman got staked, even Rosalyn commented on it before she was exploded. And the General as well.
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post #3070 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:15am
One of the big teasers in the show is what Jason REALLY is.
It's not too surprising he can kick a$$ and chew bubblegum at the same time.
He is Sookie's blood brother and may have some fairy mojo and has the were-panther stuff floating around in him as well.
However, I suspect his high IQ works against getting in touch with his latent powers.
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post #3071 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:17am
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Again, Edgington was not "snuck up on", he was intoxicated on fairy blood and focused on getting more. Even a baby vamp could have staked him...or a fairy while he's feeding.

It wasn't that I didn't hear it the first time, I just don't buy it.

Where is the notion that he was intoxicated coming from? Did I miss something or did someone in here just use it in a non-literal sense and everyone ran with it? I don't recall him getting drunk when feeding on Sookie in season 3 and I don't remember any indication that he was drunk here. He wasn't stumbling around or slurring his words.

If all it took to kill Russell was a little fairy blood to distract him then it would have made season 3 pretty boring. They had this same scenario. Didn't he feed on Sookie right in front of Bill/Eric and there was nothing they could do to stop him? Now half that team is able to stop him in a similar scenario?

We've seen countless times where a more powerful vampire is distracted or otherwise pre-occupied and still handles a younger vampire without having to even pay any attention to it. That's why back in season 3 when they actually had competent show-runners they had to get rid of Russell by outsmarting him, even though they had the means to distract him with fairy blood and attack him with an even stronger vampire crew than the one that killed him (just Eric by himself).
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post #3072 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:25am
I think it's pretty clear that Russel was fatally weakened, not really intoxicated, by the concentrated faerie beams which enabled Eric to get the drop on him. And again, we don't see Eric push the stake in, and his look of surprise proves he didn't kill Russel. Lots of scenes are subject to interpretation, but that's not one of them IMO.
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post #3073 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

It wasn't that I didn't hear it the first time, I just don't buy it.
Where is the notion that he was intoxicated coming from? Did I miss something or did someone in here just use it in a non-literal sense and everyone ran with it? I don't recall him getting drunk when feeding on Sookie in season 3 and I don't remember any indication that he was drunk here. He wasn't stumbling around or slurring his words.
If all it took to kill Russell was a little fairy blood to distract him then it would have made season 3 pretty boring. They had this same scenario. Didn't he feed on Sookie right in front of Bill/Eric and there was nothing they could do to stop him? Now half that team is able to stop him in a similar scenario?
We've seen countless times where a more powerful vampire is distracted or otherwise pre-occupied and still handles a younger vampire without having to even pay any attention to it. That's why back in season 3 when they actually had competent show-runners they had to get rid of Russell by outsmarting him, even though they had the means to distract him with fairy blood and attack him with an even stronger vampire crew than the one that killed him (just Eric by himself).

Watch Season 4. When Eric feeds on and kills Claudine, he was was even more wasted than he was with the amnesia.

Sookie herself is only a human/fairy hybrid but every vampire that has fed on her has commented about how awesome she tastes.

An old fairy like Edgington fed on may very well have an even more powerful intoxication that Claudine had, and certainly more than Sookie.
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post #3074 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

If all it took to kill Russell was a little fairy blood to distract him then it would have made season 3 pretty boring. They had this same scenario. Didn't he feed on Sookie right in front of Bill/Eric and there was nothing they could do to stop him? Now half that team is able to stop him in a similar scenario?

Sookie is half human. The fairy he drained was the most powerful of all. It would be like comparing O'douls to Everclear. He was obviously "drunk on fairy blood".
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post #3075 of 3159
8/28/12 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

his look of surprise proves he didn't kill Russel. Lots of scenes are subject to interpretation, but that's not one of them IMO.
Huh?
Eric killed him as far as I could tell.confused.gif
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post #3076 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:00am
I don't like these inconsistancies:

Almost all vampires seem to suddenly know about this "religion" & bible that was never mentioned before.
Some/most vampires now smell/find Sookie irresistable, while in past seasons she has walked near/among countless Vamps that never exibited this & still occasionally does...
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post #3077 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

One of the big teasers in the show is what Jason REALLY is.
It's not too surprising he can kick a$$ and chew bubblegum at the same time.
He is Sookie's blood brother and may have some fairy mojo and has the were-panther stuff floating around in him as well.
However, I suspect his high IQ works against getting in touch with his latent powers.

I'm thinking that they're turning him into a vampire slayer/hunter, now with some supernatural skills.

He might have some already, he dropped Franklin Mott in Season 3 rather easily.

He hasn't been this anti-vampire since Season 2 and joining the Fellowship of the Sun with Newlin, maybe this is some side effect of being blasted by that old fairy.

It certainly would help with going after Warlo.
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post #3078 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:08am
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He hasn't been this anti-vampire since Season 2 and joining the Fellowship of the Sun with Newlin, maybe this is some side effect of being blasted by that old fairy.

Or maybe it's the fact he was recently told his parents were killed by a vamp? wink.gif
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post #3079 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:18am
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Where is the notion that he was intoxicated coming from? Did I miss something or did someone in here just use it in a non-literal sense and everyone ran with it? I don't recall him getting drunk when feeding on Sookie in season 3 and I don't remember any indication that he was drunk here. He wasn't stumbling around or slurring his words.
In season 3, when Bill is badly injured, he drinks Sookie's blood in order to regain his strength. He was unable to control himself and drinks way too much of her blood, putting Sookie into a coma and almost killing her. Shortly after that, he is shown as intoxicated. That is also when we first learn that Sookie's blood allows vampires to day-walk.

Russell doesn't get drunk from drinking Sookie's blood in season 3 because he didn't drink enough to get intoxicated. Remember that Bill almost killed Sookie when he drank too much and became intoxicated. Now, we are assuming (but logically so) that the Elder fairy's blood would be much more potent that Sookie's blood, so any intoxication effect would be amplified. Plus, instead of just a sip, Russell drained the Elder fairy dry.
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post #3080 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:21am
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Huh?
Eric killed him as far as I could tell.confused.gif

Watch it again. Look closely at Eric's arm holding the stake (it doesn't move), then watch Eric's expression as Russel slowly starts to glow, melt and finally explode. "Normally" staked vamps don't die the True Death like that. There's shock and surprise there.

I'm goin' to the mat on this one. tongue.gif
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post #3081 of 3159
8/28/12 at 11:22am
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I don't like these inconsistancies:
Almost all vampires seem to suddenly know about this "religion" & bible that was never mentioned before.
Some/most vampires now smell/find Sookie irresistable, while in past seasons she has walked near/among countless Vamps that never exibited this & still occasionally does...

The only vampires that are really developed are Eric, Bill, Pam and Jessica.

Eric and Pam have never been religious and stated so throughout this season.

Bill says he knew about the vampire bible and had previously discarded it. He believed in the human bible and believed he was cursed and evil, and Sookie was redeeming him.

The Lilith bible has converted him since he had the Lilith vision in New Orleans.

Jessica is too new to know about the vampire bible.

When Jessica and Tara talk in Fangtasia about being around humans they talk about how all they can think about while being around humans is how good they smell and how they wanna rip them apart and feed.

They probably wouldn't think any different about Sookie unless they had previously fed on her.

Sookie has spent alot of time in the Fairy strip club this season and might have picked up some of their smells.

Nora has now smelled fairies since she followed Eric when he killed Edgington and apparently it's all she can think about, this will likely cause a conflict next season.
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post #3082 of 3159
8/28/12 at 12:40pm
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Huh?
Eric killed him as far as I could tell.confused.gif

Watch it again. Look closely at Eric's arm holding the stake (it doesn't move), then watch Eric's expression as Russel slowly starts to glow, melt and finally explode. "Normally" staked vamps don't die the True Death like that. There's shock and surprise there.

I'm goin' to the mat on this one. tongue.gif

Roman was staked and there was a different death.
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post #3083 of 3159
8/28/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Watch it again. Look closely at Eric's arm holding the stake (it doesn't move), then watch Eric's expression as Russel slowly starts to glow, melt and finally explode. "Normally" staked vamps don't die the True Death like that. There's shock and surprise there.
I'm goin' to the mat on this one. tongue.gif

I could of sword I heard the stake go into Russell, there was a distinct sound like he pushed it in and then all his faerie blood started to seep out in the cracks and make him glow but then the true death took over and he died.
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post #3084 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:11pm
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I could of sword I heard the stake go into Russell, there was a distinct sound like he pushed it in...

I heard that too, but I took it to be like the sound of air suddenly escaping from a bag as Russel started to split apart from the faerie light. And Eric doesn't have a look of triumph, as you would expect if he finally got to stake his greatest enemy, but one of surprise as if something was happening he didn't expect.
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post #3085 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:31pm
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So, I'm guessing Billith is so strong now that even Eric fears him? Otherwise, why would he tell Sookie to run since he is much older and stronger than Bill himself?

Dude... Bill exploded into a pool of blood then reformed himself. Makes me wonder if he is beyond staking now? How would you expect Eric, Russell, Sookie or anyone else on the show we have seen thus far to deal with that?

Well, I guess Sam could handle it... Just explode him from the inside out...lol

Prediction. Warlow is just a really cool demigod looking for a fairy wifey. He straight hands Bill his ass next season.

I don't see next season is not going to be straight bizzar with 1/3 of the main crew a whacked out Vampire god. The Lillith in him is going to go around asking everyone to drink him.
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post #3086 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:36pm
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Watch it again. Look closely at Eric's arm holding the stake (it doesn't move), then watch Eric's expression as Russel slowly starts to glow, melt and finally explode. "Normally" staked vamps don't die the True Death like that. There's shock and surprise there.
I'm goin' to the mat on this one. tongue.gif

I could of sword I heard the stake go into Russell, there was a distinct sound like he pushed it in and then all his faerie blood started to seep out in the cracks and make him glow but then the true death took over and he died.

I didn't hear anything, but the way Eric was holding the stake with his hand next to Russells chest only makes sense if he had already staked him from the front. And his look of surprise seemed to come from the way Russell emitted light before he "popped."
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post #3087 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:37pm
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Or maybe it's the fact he was recently told his parents were killed by a vamp? wink.gif

Maybe it's just me but I thought Jason's feelings about vamps got much more vehement after he got zapped by the old fairy.
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post #3088 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Snickering Hound View Post

Maybe it's just me but I thought Jason's feelings about vamps got much more vehement after he got zapped by the old fairy.

I think Jason is just a flip flopper.
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post #3089 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I heard that too, but I took it to be like the sound of air suddenly escaping from a bag as Russel started to split apart from the faerie light. And Eric doesn't have a look of triumph, as you would expect if he finally got to stake his greatest enemy, but one of surprise as if something was happening he didn't expect.

Behind the Scenes for Episode 60 is now up on HBO.com

Alan Ball and the rest clearly state that Eric killed Edgington.
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post #3090 of 3159
8/28/12 at 1:49pm
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I think Jason is just a flip flopper.

He should get into politics...
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