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Last question, (prob not), my laptop has a usb, not RS232 serial. If I wanted to connect my laptop to Pro 151 for ControlCal purposes, would a usb to RS232 serial work?
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Originally Posted by Insomniahead View Post

Last question, (prob not), my laptop has a usb, not RS232 serial. If I wanted to connect my laptop to Pro 151 for ControlCal purposes, would a usb to RS232 serial work?

yes, you will also need a female-to-female serial cable to connect your pc to a pioneer panel.

http://www.directron.com/cblmoudb9ftf.html

those in the houston area can save quite a bit on shipping by picking up at the store. do be sure to call first to make sure stock is available as the web availability isn't always accurate.
post #1563 of 10674
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

yes, you will also need a female-to-female serial cable to connect your pc to a pioneer panel.

http://www.directron.com/cblmoudb9ftf.html

those in the houston area can save quite a bit on shipping by picking up at the store. do be sure to call first to make sure stock is available as the web availability isn't always accurate.

But my laptop doesn't have a serial. Would USB/S Video work instead for the end connecting to my laptop. So either a USB to Serial or Svideo to Serial.
post #1564 of 10674
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But my laptop doesn't have a serial. Would USB/S Video work instead for the end connecting to my laptop. So either a USB to Serial or Svideo to Serial.

Yes, you need a serial to USB adapter. Keyspan is the one that has been tested and recommended in the ControlCAL forum, but I don't know if others are known to work. I'm sure most people using the program use it on a laptop (to be able to get close enough to their TV), and considering that may if not most laptops don't have serial ports anymore, I'm guessing an awful lot of users have to get an adapter. I'd be curious to know whether other adapters work as well.
post #1565 of 10674
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But my laptop doesn't have a serial. Would USB/S Video work instead for the end connecting to my laptop. So either a USB to Serial or Svideo to Serial.

you need the adapter plus a cable. while many have went by the keyspan one but at $30 it is too costly, plenty of others available in the $10 range.

http://www.directron.com/sbtusc1m.html
http://www.directron.com/usbgmus03.html

i still need to return my keyspan one to amazon, i hope they accept it w/o the packaging.
post #1566 of 10674
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With ControlCal you could swap your own settings. I'm hoping Turbe will release an update that allows a "quick swap" of settings which is says is possible.

wouldnt that require going in and out of SM each time and resetting all the user menu settigns back to default?

Yes since you only have one grayscale at a time (something common to many hdtvs in fact). Opening ControlCal and punching in a few RGB settings and going thru reboot is definitely inconvenient but not terribly so (as long as the save works consistently).

It would be a LOT better if ControlCal updated to support some sort of quickload/macro style command where your settings are saved in the .INI.
It could be as simple as doubleclicking a shortcut and waiting for the TV to cycle off and on in that case. Maybe in ControlCal Pro Turbe where users could upgrade?

Setting a few user settings is trivial.
post #1567 of 10674
Hi
Asking you that "pixel-pitch sizes" of
50">> 1366X768 and 60">>1920X1080 for KURO series 8/9G.

Or is there any method to calculate those figures??

Thx n bye++
post #1568 of 10674
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

you need the adapter plus a cable. while many have went by the keyspan one but at $30 it is too costly, plenty of others available in the $10 range.

http://www.directron.com/sbtusc1m.html
http://www.directron.com/usbgmus03.html

i still need to return my keyspan one to amazon, i hope they accept it w/o the packaging.

Thanks for the links!
post #1569 of 10674
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

you need the adapter plus a cable. while many have went by the keyspan one but at $30 it is too costly, plenty of others available in the $10 range.

http://www.directron.com/sbtusc1m.html
http://www.directron.com/usbgmus03.html

i still need to return my keyspan one to amazon, i hope they accept it w/o the packaging.

So do you know for certain that any serial-to-USB adapter will work? I already have one for some other device, and I'd just as soon use that if I could.
post #1570 of 10674
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Originally Posted by albani View Post

Hi
Asking you that "pixel-pitch sizes" of
50">> 1366X768 and 60">>1920X1080 for KURO series 8/9G.

Or is there any method to calculate those figures??

Thx n bye++

They have the same number of pixels, no? They are both 1920x1080. Just slightly different sized pixels.
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In other words, 24fps and 60fps do not require separate calbrations in the 9g units?

Thanks.

if you want to use PC Advance you would need access to the calibaration table that PC Advance uses. However, 72Hz will still work for 1080p/24 sources when you set PC to "Off".

That clears it up then I think. David calibrates to PC:standard. Since standard/off/smooth all share the same calibration tables there should be no issue handling 24fps. Just switch your PC mode from standard to Off for 24fps source.
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So do you know for certain that any serial-to-USB adapter will work? I already have one for some other device, and I'd just as soon use that if I could.

i don't see why not as long as you have the drivers.
post #1573 of 10674
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Setting a few user settings is trivial.

i don't mind changing the settings, it's having to redo the "auto installation" for the over the air channels that is annoying to me. i have an indoor antenna hooked up to the tv so if weather or whatever knocks out the satellite reception i still can watch local tv, was very useful to have when Ike knocked my dish off alignment.

also DirecTV doesnt have some of the local channels (PBS and the Spanish channels among them) so if i really wanted to see something there in HD i can switch to antenna.
post #1574 of 10674
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So do you know for certain that any serial-to-USB adapter will work? I already have one for some other device, and I'd just as soon use that if I could.

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i don't see why not as long as you have the drivers.

They need to mimic a serial port 100% and some of them with non compliant drivers have issues though I do not maintain lists.
post #1575 of 10674
I've just begun using this great software and as D-Nice has said in the past, once you go ISFccc mode, you'll never go back to Pure mode.

Pure almost looks drab by comparison and it reminds me of what plasma fans have so often heard from some on this forum...plasmas have dirty whites. Although I don't agree, anyone that feels that way should take a look at ControlCal and what the ISFccc mode has to offer. If you want brighter whites than this, you better grab your sunglasses.

At the same settings as Pure mode, the ISFccc mode is significantly 'punchier', yet I can see no crushing of whites or blacks when using it...at least visually.

But I think you really need to be careful using this mode if you don't have sufficient hours on your panel. The fact that the panel is driven harder makes the issue of break-in that much more important.

As I said, I just began using ControlCal and am only just beginning to explore it's features. A big thanks to Turbe for some lame issues I had at the beginning. It's amazing how much you learn if you actually READ the instructions!

BTW, I am using a USB>Serial adapter.
post #1576 of 10674
Thanks for the feedback Ken.

Like many, I myself tend to skip the full instructions for new things and dive right in... Unfortunately this doesn't do well for anyone new to ControlCAL and the ISFccc Interface.
ControlCal- The answer to 'dirty whites'?
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I've just begun using this great software and as D-Nice has said in the past, once you go ISFccc mode, you'll never go back to Pure mode.

Pure almost looks drab by comparison and it reminds me of what plasma fans have so often heard from some on this forum...plasmas have dirty whites. Although I don't agree, anyone that feels that way should take a look at ControlCal and what the ISFccc mode has to offer. If you want brighter whites than this, you better grab your sunglasses.

At the same settings as Pure mode, the ISFccc mode is significantly 'punchier', yet I can see no crushing of whites or blacks when using it...at least visually.

But I think you really need to be careful using this mode if you don't have sufficient hours on your panel. The fact that the panel is driven harder makes the issue of break-in that much more important.

As I said, I just began using ControlCal and am only just beginning to explore it's features. A big thanks to Turbe for some lame issues I had at the beginning. It's amazing how much you learn if you actually READ the instructions!

BTW, I am using a USB>Serial adapter.

Sorry for posting the quoted text so close to the OP (which I usually frown upon when done) but I just had to preserve the text...
post #1577 of 10674
Interesting Turbe. I think I'm going to have to consider this one. Time to start digging around for my old serial cables.

Anyone in the computer field can help me with this question, is connecting to the TV basically the same as connecting as console to a server? You know, when you don't have a head on that server and you go through serial to get to console with a laptop or another computer.
post #1578 of 10674
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Originally Posted by totalownership View Post

Interesting Turbe. I think I'm going to have to consider this one. Time to start digging around for my old serial cables.

Anyone in the computer field can help me with this question, is connecting to the TV basically the same as connecting as console to a server? You know, when you don't have a head on that server and you go through serial to get to console with a laptop or another computer.

You are probably like me and have many cables, gender changes and null modem adapters around.

I couldn't find my straight-through serial cable (actually gave up after going through a few boxes) so I used a 1' DB9 Female to DB25 Male cable and used a gender changer, null model adapter and a modular console cable (configured null modem) from some US Robotics/3Com Total Control Enterprise Hubs (used in my ISP business several years back now). The blue cable goes to the Pioneer (has another modular connector - DB9 Female).

BTW, null modem is just a cross-over cable. Two serial cables, each configured as null modem, can be connected together to make a straight-through cable.

To Laptop (gray USB cable via Keyspan):


To Pioneer (blue cable):
post #1579 of 10674
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

i don't mind changing the settings, it's having to redo the "auto installation" for the over the air channels that is annoying to me. i have an indoor antenna hooked up to the tv so if weather or whatever knocks out the satellite reception i still can watch local tv, was very useful to have when Ike knocked my dish off alignment.

also DirecTV doesnt have some of the local channels (PBS and the Spanish channels among them) so if i really wanted to see something there in HD i can switch to antenna.


This is why we should encourage Turbe to do an update that autoloads saved settings to the display. Maybe has a better chance of getting done than of getting a firmware update from Pioneer.
post #1580 of 10674
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You are probably like me and have many cables, gender changes and null modem adapters around.

EXACTLY!
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pic to follow in a few minutes

Thanks, appreciate that, in the meanwhile I'll go grab something to cover my nose and mouth and go digging in the dust factory I call my lab storage facility (aka closet) and find my old cables. The very same ones the wife has been getting me to throw out for years now but hopefully will soon show their worth so that way I can say..... well you all know the story. lol

EDIT: Ok I see the pics. I'm pretty sure I have that all laying around however I'm a bit confused, what is it the 151 has in the back? Nevermind, I see it's a standard nine pin male in the back.
post #1581 of 10674
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The blue cable goes to the Pioneer (has another modular connector - DB9 Female)

The Pioneers have a DB9 Male..

EDIT: I added another picture in the Post above.
post #1582 of 10674
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

The Pioneers have a DB9 Male..

EDIT: I added another picture in the Post above.

Just came back from exploring. Glad you posted that second pic because I'm wondering to myself wth kinda Pioneer he got. lol. So far I've conjured up two male to female serial cables. Laptop has the serial so I wont need to do the usb thing. Now I just gotta hope I can find a gender changer somewhere. I know I have one I just don't know for what though.
post #1583 of 10674
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

This is why we should encourage Turbe to do an update that autoloads saved settings to the display. Maybe has a better chance of getting done than of getting a firmware update from Pioneer.

You mean a modified version of Zoombo?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=985807

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post #1584 of 10674
If my laptop only has USB and I want to connect it to my Pro 151 do all I need is the following 2 things?

http://www.directron.com/cblmoudb9ftf.html

http://www.directron.com/sbtusc1m.html
post #1585 of 10674
I can't comment on those specific brands, but if you only have USB available on your laptop/computer, you need both a USB to Serial Adapter and the DB9 Female to DB9 Female Straight-Through Serial Cable.
post #1586 of 10674
I'm half way there Turbe...





.. but alas I think I might have reached the end of the road. I'm almost positive I don't have the last piece of this puzzle considering I've always connected to some weird funky proprietary connection on the other end I'll keep looking though just in case.
post #1587 of 10674
haha, I have several of those yellow stripped adapters too though I don't know which box they are in.

I have kept most of my cables through the years, even MFM Hard drive cables from back in the day.. anyone remember those?
post #1588 of 10674
Look what I found turbe ...







I knew I had most of those cables you pictured and then it occurred to me that the adapter in your last photo came with something years ago but I didn't need it and lo and behold I found it.
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LOL, was that you making that sound in my storage? I thought I had to get the rat bait out again.

Those modular cables are the way to go..

...and your wife wanted you to throw them out...
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

You mean a modified version of Zoombo?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=985807

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Lovely. Your app could become "required reading" for any Kuro NE owner.
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