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post #2251 of 10756
I posted this in the non-elite Kuro owner's thread, but I'm posting it here, too, because I may want to do ControlCal or other calibration later, and I want to have room to reach the inputs or pre-attach a serial cable. Please bear with me.

I just received a PDP-6020FD and Peerless ST670 wall mount from PlasmaConcepts (great service: ordered last Wed, received Mon, even with holiday!; thanks, Bob!).

I currently have a 42" Hitachi 42HDT50 mounted above a *non-used* propane-fired fireplace. My room is 15'x15'; my viewing position is about 13' feet from the TV. I want to take it down and mount the 6020 in its place, but I have a few concerns.

I will only have about 10" clearance above the 6020; will that be enough for ventilation?

Also, the Hitachi's electronics (tuner, connections, etc.) are all in a separate set-top box, so I've only had to run a power cable and video cable to the TV monitor itself. The 6020 has all that built in, and I'm afraid that, once its mounted, I won't be able to later access all the inputs, etc. (the center is a very long reach from the sides). Should I go ahead and plug in all cables that I *might* need later, including Serial (for calibration), Ethernet, etc., or will it "hurt" to have cables plugged into ports, even though I won't be currently using them? What kind and length of Serial cable do I need, if I later want to run ControlCal or other calibration?

Finally, has anyone ever tried using the 6020's speakers as the Center Speaker in a 5.1 setup (cables run from AVR)? I'm currently using a Paradigm matched Center speaker, but it's sitting down on the floor in front of the fireplace, so higher would be better. In that regard, do most people with an AVR and surround speaker setup attach the 6020's speakers or leave them off? If I leave them off, would that give me more room to reach underneath the panel to reach the inputs, or would the mounting height be the same? The fireplace mantle itself might prevent me from reaching underneath the panel's front center edge.

Thanks for any tips and suggestions you may have.

Jim
post #2252 of 10756
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I think there's only an optical out on the TV. At least, that's the way it is on the Elites. I think the only audio inputs are RCA type.

Yeah there is only a single optical out back there. I thought there would be some way to assign an audio input to a video input.
post #2253 of 10756
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Originally Posted by halog View Post

Yeah there is only a single optical out back there. I thought there would be some way to assign an audio input to a video input.

Sorry, I didn't realize there was no optical in. (Seems like a weird omission...) I don;t have your exact TV, but on mine, you can use HDMI Input 4 or 5 and assign an analog audio signal to it. DO you have that option?
post #2254 of 10756
How bad is the macroblocking on the 5020 while watching time warner HD cable?
post #2255 of 10756
Are there discreet power on/off IR codes for the PRO 151?

Also, would the 151 accept a 1080p/72hz signal from a video processor or is it limited to 60hz over HDMI?
post #2256 of 10756
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Originally Posted by Expletive View Post

Are there discreet power on/off IR codes for the PRO 151?

Also, would the 151 accept a 1080p/72hz signal from a video processor or is it limited to 60hz over HDMI?

60 or 24 but no 72.
post #2257 of 10756
maybe this is common knowledge, or maybe it's taboo to even ask, but what can one expect to pay (ball park figure) to get a 111fd professionally calibrated?

And does anyone know of a professional calibrator in the Charlotte NC region?
post #2258 of 10756
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by juardis View Post

maybe this is common knowledge, or maybe it's taboo to even ask, but what can one expect to pay (ball park figure) to get a 111fd professionally calibrated?

Depends on what you want calibrated.

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And does anyone know of a professional calibrator in the Charlotte NC region?

That would be me I'll send you a PM.
post #2259 of 10756
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Originally Posted by Expletive View Post

Are there discreet power on/off IR codes for the PRO 151?

Yes, there are. They're in the IR documentation.
post #2260 of 10756
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Sorry, I didn't realize there was no optical in. (Seems like a weird omission...) I don;t have your exact TV, but on mine, you can use HDMI Input 4 or 5 and assign an analog audio signal to it. DO you have that option?

Hey I figured what I was doing wrong I used the wrong analog inputs thks for your help It is weird that there is no optical in.
post #2261 of 10756
Glad it worked out.
post #2262 of 10756
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Originally Posted by juardis View Post

maybe this is common knowledge, or maybe it's taboo to even ask, but what can one expect to pay (ball park figure) to get a 111fd professionally calibrated?

And does anyone know of a professional calibrator in the Charlotte NC region?

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Depends on what you want calibrated.

That would be me I'll send you a PM.

you are a lucky guy juardis. i have a feeling you are gonna like your hopefully soon to be calibrated set
post #2263 of 10756
D-Nice,

I understand that Powersave Mode 2 reduces peak light output. Is this equally noticeable regardless of the Contrast setting? Or is the difference more pronounced as you increase the Contrast setting thereby increasing peak light output?

For example, using the ISF mode as an example, would the difference be more noticable at a Contrast setting of 38 than a Contrast setting of 18?

I guess I'm trying to understand if the reduction in peak brightness with Powersave Mode 2 is a constant or if it really only makes a difference as you approach the limits of brightness within a particular power mode.

Thanks.

PS - Still working on putting enough hours on the set before getting it calibrated.
post #2264 of 10756
hoping for input on isf modes. i have serial cable on the way and am gonna plug in dnice's settings for isf night/day using controlcal.

i'm obviously excited to see what the new modes look like but i am wondering about the ultimate benefit for my setup. i have my 151 in a dedicated light controlled room. at its brightest the room is still only moderately bright and obviously no windows.

given that most ppl like the isf modes b/c increased light output i'm wondering if brightness beyond dnice's pure mode will be any benefit to me given room conditions. i'd like others input on this point. do the isf modes offer much else beyond increased light output?

i'm gonna set the isf modes up regardless but i could use some encouragement given my 151 is mounted and will require me to actually turn the tv off to set it up
post #2265 of 10756
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Originally Posted by glum View Post

hoping for input on isf modes. i have serial cable on the way and am gonna plug in dnice's settings for isf night/day using controlcal.

i'm obviously excited to see what the new modes look like but i am wondering about the ultimate benefit for my setup. i have my 151 in a dedicated light controlled room. at its brightest the room is still only moderately bright and obviously no windows.

given that most ppl like the isf modes b/c increased light output i'm wondering if brightness beyond dnice's pure mode will be any benefit to me given room conditions. i'd like others input on this point. do the isf modes offer much else beyond increased light output?

i'm gonna set the isf modes up regardless but i could use some encouragement given my 151 is mounted and will require me to actually turn the tv off to set it up

I believe the ISF modes also have slightly better color luminance levels.
post #2266 of 10756
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I believe the ISF modes also have slightly better color luminance levels.

Pioneer Tech Support has confirmed what you are saying.
post #2267 of 10756
Does anyone have any info?

I'm ready to pull the trigger, but if the macroblocking is bad due to poor time warner hi-def cable, its going to stop me from buying since that will be 99% of my viewing.

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Originally Posted by Duds72 View Post

How bad is the macroblocking on the 5020 while watching time warner HD cable?
post #2268 of 10756
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Originally Posted by Duds72 View Post

Does anyone have any info?

I'm ready to pull the trigger, but if the macroblocking is bad due to poor time warner hi-def cable, its going to stop me from buying since that will be 99% of my viewing.

i have TW in San Diego & HD looks ok on my 5020.
post #2269 of 10756
Hello all, Newbie here. I just purchased my 111fd and fired it up 2 days ago. got the break in DVD running yesterday for 4 hours. The recomendations says to put the screen in FULL mode. on my screen, full mode showed black bars on top and bottom so did some of the other settings. 4:3 showed the black top and bottom bars along with gray side bars. My only option was to use ZOOM to fill the entire screen. will this be OK or am I damaging the screen? I'm 4 hours in and another 146 to go. Should I continue or change gears? Please advise.

thanks
Sean
post #2270 of 10756
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Originally Posted by shahens View Post

Hello all, Newbie here. I just purchased my 111fd and fired it up 2 days ago. got the break in DVD running yesterday for 4 hours. The recomendations says to put the screen in FULL mode. on my screen, full mode showed black bars on top and bottom so did some of the other settings. 4:3 showed the black top and bottom bars along with gray side bars. My only option was to use ZOOM to fill the entire screen. will this be OK or am I damaging the screen? I'm 4 hours in and another 146 to go. Should I continue or change gears? Please advise.

thanks
Sean

If the zoom fills the screen, you should be fine...

Is your DVD player set to 16:9?
post #2271 of 10756
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Originally Posted by PackFan View Post

If the zoom fills the screen, you should be fine...

Is your DVD player set to 16:9?


Not sure about the DVD setting. I’ll look into that tonight but if there isn't anything on the DVD end, my ZOOM setting should be ok then. Thank you for the quick reply.
Is calibration REALLY necessary?

Sean
post #2272 of 10756
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Originally Posted by glum View Post

hoping for input on isf modes. i have serial cable on the way and am gonna plug in dnice's settings for isf night/day using controlcal.

i'm obviously excited to see what the new modes look like but i am wondering about the ultimate benefit for my setup. i have my 151 in a dedicated light controlled room. at its brightest the room is still only moderately bright and obviously no windows.

given that most ppl like the isf modes b/c increased light output i'm wondering if brightness beyond dnice's pure mode will be any benefit to me given room conditions. i'd like others input on this point. do the isf modes offer much else beyond increased light output?

i'm gonna set the isf modes up regardless but i could use some encouragement given my 151 is mounted and will require me to actually turn the tv off to set it up

I also have a 151 and used ControlCAL to input D-Nice's settings. His ISF Day settings were too bright for me so I lowered the contrast a bit. His ISF Night settings work well for me.

The ISF modes look better to me than the Pure mode and I have not used any modes except the ISF modes since activating them. Eventually I will have them professionally calibrated. Even so, IMO it was worth the minimal cost to activate the ISF modes as they got me that much closer to what the 151 is capable.
post #2273 of 10756
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Originally Posted by shahens View Post

Is calibration REALLY necessary?

Sean

No, many (probably most) never get their sets calibrated and are perfectly happy with either out-of-box settings, or ones they find here. On the other hand, people who get their sets professionally calibrated seem almost universally happy with the results.
post #2274 of 10756
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

No, many (probably most) never get their sets calibrated and are perfectly happy with either out-of-box settings, or ones they find here. On the other hand, people who get their sets professionally calibrated seem almost universally happy with the results.

Most on this forum do calibrate
post #2275 of 10756
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

No, many (probably most) never get their sets calibrated and are perfectly happy with either out-of-box settings, or ones they find here. On the other hand, people who get their sets professionally calibrated seem almost universally happy with the results.

Many people seem to be content just setting the NE's to Optimum and walking away. Which is what Pioneer intended, I suppose, but it's still pretty rotten for people who like to tweak.
post #2276 of 10756
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Most on this forum do calibrate

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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Many people seem to be content just setting the NE's to Optimum and walking away. Which is what Pioneer intended, I suppose, but it's still pretty rotten for people who like to tweak.

I was just responding to the question as to whether it is necessary. What are NEs?
post #2277 of 10756
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I also have a 151 and used ControlCAL to input D-Nice's settings. His ISF Day settings were too bright for me so I lowered the contrast a bit. His ISF Night settings work well for me.

The ISF modes look better to me than the Pure mode and I have not used any modes except the ISF modes since activating them. Eventually I will have them professionally calibrated. Even so, IMO it was worth the minimal cost to activate the ISF modes as they got me that much closer to what the 151 is capable.

I also only use ISF modes only.

D-Nice settings for ISF Day and Night mode. One thing is for sure is the numbers from the raw charts are right on the money. imo those numbers don't get any better. The one thing that may be causing you not to care for the day settings is because of D-Nices use of the 9pt gamma settings (all -1). And the higher point gamma target of 2.25.
Note that in D-Nices ISF settings he leaves the 9pt gamma at default (0) and his point gamma target is at 2.22. However I don't think that the higher point gamma target is any problem.

And I bet that the when you do have your Kuro Calibrated, your calibrator will use D-Nices settings for ISF night, and just tweak those settings for your 151.
post #2278 of 10756
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

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And I bet that the when you do have your Kuro Calibrated, your calibrator will use D-Nices settings for ISF night, and just tweak those settings for your 151.

You are probably right since D-Nice is first on my list to contact when I'm ready for that calibration.
post #2279 of 10756
Hello all,

Thanks to my lurking here on this forum and Alex @ Invision I have a 5020 and a Pioneer blue ray player on the way! I'm completely stoked as this is my first plasma/flat panel tv. I've got the thumb drive files dowloaded for break-in and have been re-reading various threads.

How can I find someone to do the calibration after the breakin period? I'm located in Southeastern Missouri (near where the Ohio and Mississippi rivers meet). Thanks in advance for the help.
post #2280 of 10756
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Originally Posted by carpetride View Post

How can I find someone to do the calibration after the breakin period? I'm located in Southeastern Missouri (near where the Ohio and Mississippi rivers meet). Thanks in advance for the help.

Doug Weil handles your area..

Check this LIST for contact info.
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