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post #2431 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by jrannison View Post

This unit is two weeks old and completed 150 hour burn-in

I am very disappointed with the color space calibration. Primarily the Green is oversaturated; and yes the 141 is set to Color Space 2 !!

I have included two files, one with RGB input from a computer, the other is HDMI input utilizing the AVS rec709 disc with a Panasonic BD30.
The data was taken with the 141 in Pure mode, and you will note the RGB gain settings to obtain RGB balance for Gamma.

The Chroma-5 meter is new and I confirmed (approximately) with my older LT meter.

Any suggestions or ideas? …………..Have the unit replaced (this is the second unit, the first one had a totally cracked display), or can I trust that Pioneer will repair this correctly?

I'm curious, why do you have Brightness set at 35 and Contrast at 3
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post #2432 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:04am
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You have Brightness set at 35 and Contrast at 3

Ops...... Brightness set at 3, contrast at 35
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post #2433 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:12am
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That's easily explainable. The 141 has an expanded range of control vs the 151 (120 for 141 vs 60 for 151) for the RGB controls. I totally forgot about that last night...my bad.
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What I am trying to say is. I can not get close to your ISF night settings calibrating my 141. The problem is I must go much higher with Blue high to even out my RGB gray scale. I end up with good results but can not figure out how you do it. Unless the 141 ISF RGB gray scale level is much different from the 151/111.
RGB tracking, balance, gamma point brake out.
See my latest ISF settings report, your template
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post #2434 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:21am
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Your RGB green is fine as you cannot control the colorspace setting with a PC input (it's pretty much hardcoded to colorspace 1). Your HDMI green is also fine for the 141. One thing you need to take into account is the fact the the Chroma5 is not as accurate as a spectroradiometer when it comes to color points. If I recall correctly I got similar green reading when I was testing my Chroma5.

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Originally Posted by jrannison View Post

This unit is two weeks old and completed 150 hour burn-in

I am very disappointed with the color space calibration. Primarily the Green is oversaturated; and yes the 141 is set to Color Space 2 !!

I have included two files, one with RGB input from a computer, the other is HDMI input utilizing the AVS rec709 disc with a Panasonic BD30.
The data was taken with the 141 in Pure mode, and you will note the RGB gain settings to obtain RGB balance for Gamma.

The Chroma-5 meter is new and I confirmed (approximately) with my older LT meter.

Any suggestions or ideas? ..Have the unit replaced (this is the second unit, the first one had a totally cracked display), or can I trust that Pioneer will repair this correctly?

I'm also going to post this on the 141 forum.
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post #2435 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Your RGB green is fine as you cannot control the colorspace setting with a PC input (it's pretty much hardcoded to colorspace 1). Your HDMI green is also fine for the 141. One thing you need to take into account is the fact the the Chroma5 is not as accurate as a spectroradiometer when it comes to color points. If I recall correctly I got similar green reading when I was testing my Chroma5.

Thanks for the insight. I didn't realize the Chroma-5 would be that far off.
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post #2436 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:28am
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Ops...... Brightness set at 3, contrast at 35

I assumed as much, but I wanted it to be clear for future searches..
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post #2437 of 10658
12/17/08 at 3:54pm
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They both have different grayscales. That's why he says not to use the 151 or 111 settings for the 141 or 101.

Well I think the differences are in the color space. And yes that difference will effect the gray scale.

What I am trying to find out is there a better way for calibrated ISF night settings, than what I am doing now. That's why I included my calibration report for ISF night settings in my post. And to get some wisdom from D-Nice.
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post #2438 of 10658
12/17/08 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Well I think the differences are in the color space. And yes that difference will effect the gray scale.

What I am trying to find out is there a better way for calibrated ISF night settings, than what I am doing now. That's why I included my calibration report for ISF night settings in my post. And to get some wisdom from D-Nice.

The differences are in the actual controls. A + 3 on any of the RGB controls for a 151 does equal +3 on a 141. That same +3 would probably be a +6 or 7 on the 141 as the 141s have more finely tuning RGB controls.

As far as your report goes, your grayscale is pretty much perfect. You need to increase your color by 2 clicks to improve your luminance levels.
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post #2439 of 10658
12/17/08 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The differences are in the actual controls. A + 3 on any of the RGB controls for a 151 does equal +3 on a 141. That same +3 would probably be a +6 or 7 on the 141 as the 141s have more finely tuning RGB controls.

As far as your report goes, your grayscale is pretty much perfect. You need to increase your color by 2 clicks to improve your luminance levels.

Thanks D-Nice, now I get it.

Ahh you saw that. That's why I haven't posted these settings yet. I have color set at 0 for my report.
And like you have said pushing the color setting over 3 messes things up, so a +2 setting for color should be right on.

Peter.
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post #2440 of 10658
12/17/08 at 7:13pm
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Thanks D-Nice, now I get it.

Ahh you saw that. That's why I haven't posted these settings yet. I have color set at 0 for my report.
And like you have said pushing the color setting over 3 messes things up, so a +2 setting for color should be right on.

Peter.

Try Color at 6/7 (the Color Control's range is ~120 on the 101/141 vs ~60 on the 111/151)
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post #2441 of 10658
12/17/08 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The 141 has an expanded range of control vs the 151 (120 for 141 vs 60 for 151) for the RGB controls.

...so...how much out of luck are we 151FD KURO owners?...

-THTS
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post #2442 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:09pm
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...so...how much out of luck are we 151FD KURO owners?...

-THTS

Out of luck????
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post #2443 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:39pm
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Out of luck????

What I meant by that question is...does the 151FDs has enough of an adjustment range to come close to the sort of superior performance seemingly provided by the 141FDs?
Putting it in other words...once prof. calibrated...do the 151s perform at a par with that of their 141 "monitor" brothers, or do they come up short in some specific way because they lack that same adjustment range?...

-THTS
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post #2444 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by Frank J Manrique View Post

What I meant by that question is...does the 151FDs has enough of an adjustment range to come close to the sort of superior performance seemingly provided by the 141FDs?
Putting it in other words...once prof. calibrated...do the 151s perform at a par with that of their 141 "monitor" brothers, or do they come up short in some specific way because they lack that same adjustment range?...

-THTS

You will achieve a tighter grayscale with the 141. Color point will pretty much be identical post calibration.
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post #2445 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:53pm
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The differences are in the actual controls. A + 3 on any of the RGB controls for a 151 does equal +3 on a 141. That same +3 would probably be a +6 or 7 on the 141 as the 141s have more finely tuning RGB controls.

As far as your report goes, your grayscale is pretty much perfect. You need to increase your color by 2 clicks to improve your luminance levels.
Any better?

 

SillySallyGandC.pdf 167.7978515625k . file
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post #2446 of 10658
12/17/08 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You will achieve a tighter grayscale with the 141. Color point will pretty much be identical post calibration.

Ah...so indeed there is a certain degree of performance differences between the two models!

It actually makes sense being that the 141s are more costly, and since they lack some of the niceties of the 151s (i.e., TV tuner, speakers, built-in amplification, and pedestal), performance, be it a more linear or "tighter" gray scale, etc., should be greater by virtue of these factors...

-THTS
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post #2447 of 10658
12/17/08 at 9:03pm
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Any better?

Can't get any better than that
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post #2448 of 10658
12/17/08 at 9:04pm
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Any better?

hehe - is that a little sarcastic?
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post #2449 of 10658
12/17/08 at 9:05pm
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Try Color at 6/7 (the Color Control's range is ~120 on the 101/141 vs ~60 on the 111/151)

Well if this try with +3 is thumbs down, then I will give the +6/7 a try, and believe me I have had the color at +6/7 with other settings.
My problem is, the wife. She comes into the den and tells me to much color. So then its back to calibration time. But then every time I would have a pro calibration done she would say the same thing. To much color.
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post #2450 of 10658
12/17/08 at 9:10pm
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hehe

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Can't get any better than that

Thanks guys.

Now I just have to learn not to ask the wife what she thinks.

Peter.
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post #2451 of 10658
12/17/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Frank J Manrique View Post

Ah...so indeed there is a certain degree of performance differences between the two models!

It's not always possible to see measured differences on the screen with normal source material.
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post #2452 of 10658
12/18/08 at 12:12am
D-Nice.

I feel I should report back after viewing some 1080P@24 that I know well.
I must say that your suggestion of raising the color +2 was almost right on the mark. I ended up with a color setting of +3. The report does reflect the +3 color. Anyway I had my charts and display in front of me and you just saw my charts. I think this says a lot for how advanced your calibration skills are.

If the poster above wants to put this in his calibrator reports, then by all means do it.

Thanks D-Nice.

Peter.
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post #2453 of 10658
12/18/08 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

D-Nice.

I feel I should report back after viewing some 1080P@24 that I know well.
I must say that your suggestion of raising the color +2 was almost right on the mark. I ended up with a color setting of +3. The report does reflect the +3 color. Anyway I had my charts and display in front of me and you just saw my charts. I think this says a lot for how advanced your calibration skills are.

If the poster above wants to put this in his calibrator reports, then by all means do it.

Thanks D-Nice.

Peter.

Peter would you be willing to post these newly developed (ISF-Night, I assume) settings? I using your last (11/23/08 I think) settings that look pretty good, but if you've improved on them I'd love to benefit from your hard work. :P

I'm hopeless when it comes to calibrating things myself, so I depend on the generosity of people like you and D-Nice (too bad no one gave D-Nice a 141 to play with!). At least until I can get a pro out to my house.

Thanks!
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post #2454 of 10658
12/18/08 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Peter would you be willing to post these newly developed (ISF-Night, I assume) settings? I using your last (11/23/08 I think) settings that look pretty good, but if you've improved on them I'd love to benefit from your hard work. :P

I'm hopeless when it comes to calibrating things myself, so I depend on the generosity of people like you and D-Nice (too bad no one gave D-Nice a 141 to play with!). At least until I can get a pro out to my house.

Thanks!

Yes I will post these settings later tonight on the 141 thread and on controlcal forum. Keep one thing in mind, these settings I will be posting are exact settings for my panny BDP-55 (BD 1080P film) and my 141 ISF night mode. However not to say they will not work for other sources because they may.

Yes it sure would have made things easier for me If D-Nice had a 141. But on the other hand after all the different ways I have tired to calibrate my 141, I can say for sure that what D-Nice had to say about how the RGB H/L settings work and trying to keep your color setting to a minimum is imo 100% right.

Peter.
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post #2455 of 10658
12/18/08 at 5:35pm
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Yes I will post these settings later tonight on the 141 thread and on controlcal forum. Keep one thing in mind, these settings I will be posting are exact settings for my panny BDP-55 (BD 1080P film) and my 141 ISF night mode. However not to say they will not work for other sources because they may.

Yes it sure would have made things easier for me If D-Nice had a 141. But on the other hand after all the different ways I have tired to calibrate my 141, I can say for sure that what D-Nice had to say about how the RGB H/L settings work and trying to keep your color setting to a minimum is imo 100% right.

Peter.

Thank you! I look forward to trying them out tonight.
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post #2456 of 10658
12/18/08 at 5:37pm
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Thank you! I look forward to trying them out tonight.

Just posted them.

Peter.
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post #2457 of 10658
12/18/08 at 6:44pm
Can anyone tell me what would be some good, overall settings for my 111FD Kuro? I just finished my 150 break-in period and I really don't feel like sifting through 80-something pages to find some good, overall settings.
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post #2458 of 10658
12/18/08 at 6:51pm
Well you are in the right thread....check page 1 of it. post3
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post #2459 of 10658
12/18/08 at 7:07pm
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Well you are in the right thread....check page 1 of it. post3

Is pure mode the best picture mode to use?
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post #2460 of 10658
12/18/08 at 7:20pm
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Is pure mode the best picture mode to use?

Yes unless you have a copy of ControlCAL . Then try the ISF settings.
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