The Official Pioneer 9G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread - Page 11

UMR- What damage have you seen? What do you suggest, then?

Not considering user errors when recommending something that can cause damage is borderline negligence in my book.

Hey D,

Doing the break in with the thumbdrive and running it straight using your new settings, it's been a little past 3 days now. Anyway, I can' help but watch the break in sometimes and now I notice the different shades within the primary colors, almost all look the same now-no shade changing( I noticed it before) except the gray one and even that is slightly noticable. That gray is never full white and the transition to black is not black. At least not the way it looks like on my computer when I open the break in files(actually none of the colors look right, maybe it's the +20 color, huh?).Is it me and it's an optical illuision, watching a shade and then the transition to black screen for about 6 seconds and then to the next shade, is throwing me off.

I never seen somebody post about this before, but then again these are your new settings and haven't been out too long.

Thanks for all the help you have already given us D-KeepItReal

Is there supposed to be several seconds of black in between slides?

Just wondering as I am expecting my TV soon and want to know what to expect.

I will be using ThumbDrive slides.

D-Nice and UMR.

I'm also in touch with a pretty knowledgeable person at Pioneer for our reviews, and he also told us to do at least 100-150 hours of break-in with any Pioneer Kuro to avoid any potential problems.

About the 150 hours mark for stability and calibration... He told me that any RGB shift should happen before 100 hours, so they recommend doing any ISF calibration, or any serious user calibration, after the 100 hours mark.

thanks so much D-Nice appreciate the Time and Effort. Cant wait to tweak this baby.

I'd like to chime in on this: Lets remember this is a forum, and D-nice is mearly dispensing advice like many others. Advice is everywhere on the internet, and life in general. Nobody is forced to follow it, and nobody around here runs more disclaimers about his advice being recommended but not required than d-nice. He does this even though he doesn't have to, as he could simply state his opionion and be done with it. Break-in is worthwhile to many, many users, and the break in procedure combined with his settings got the best uncalibrated performance possible out of my display. Im sorry if this maybe takes some business away from calibrators, but looking at one of the most alturistic members of this forum as a competitor is a bit selfish.

It seems like everytime someone has a small issue with the break-in procedure it is used as a crutch to attack d-nice, perhaps out of jealousy.

I have nothing but respect for the calibrators here but people must remember that they make their living by turning relatively poor looking displays in to good ones. D-nice does almost as good a job free of charge. Fear-mongering to discredit a 'competitor' (either in a business sense or a forum knowledge sense) is a poor business practice. I agree that if data can be provided to prove break in is bad, then we can have a good debate. But jumping on an innocent comment by a poster who was having a small issue with is not the way to do it. His panel is undeniably 100 percent fine. Now lets move on.

Thanks for all of the FREE info you provide us. It feels good not to have to worry about be being lied to just to make a buck.

I'm curious about something D-Nice. Wouldn't an AVI or MPG of the whole color scale (if I using the term correctly) be even more effective than slides?

Curious, D-Nice, have you found a way to check the hours of use in the SM? or know of A way I can check that? Thanks

yes the hours of use info is still located in the service menu of the 9g. so you will need the pc connection with software or the pioneer factory service remote to access the SM and check it.

My hope is to put this issue to rest. I will Post what no one else has done, a name of a Pioneer Contact.

umr's concern about risk is potentially valid if the owner/user improperly sets up the procedure. However, his opinion that the procedure is silly and has no benefit is an opinion but incorrect based on the science. This has been convered prevously here in depth.

I spoke to Josh Kairoff this morning, many of the Professionals here will know who he is and what he did for Pioneer NA. I asked if I could use his name.

He does recommend a fast track procedure though he recommends an all white video signal from a inexpensive video generator for 100 hours. Since the HG/HGM (thumbdrive) mode use less energy, you would have run the process for approx. 1/3 more time. This will help with IR concerns over the life of the panel.

Is it silly? Is there no benefit? "Absolutely not" he said. He does it on his own Displays.

Of course, it is important to follow the instructions for these procedures for those using the thumbdrive or disc.

The recommended procedure is verified from Josh, who was in the Display Engineering Group for Pioneer NA - IMO a Contact who's recommendation is more than opinion.


-Turbe

Will you be supplying the software we need for this SM Calibration D-Nice? I will also be going to the store to pick up the correct Cable needed to do this.
thanks

The software will be controlcal software provided by turbe (thank you for your software).

Yeah, pretty much. I just got the set and besides running Pan's Labrynth for about an hour (to make sure everything was OK in the presence of the shipper), I loaded up the break in thumbdrive. So, I don't know too much about the set. I did press the display button and it does say 1/20 all the way up to 20/20.

I noticed you said there is 21 still images, is that correct because I got 20?

Maybe I'll stop the slides and check the USB again.

One thing I can say to back up Jeff, and his PR-670 is this. Jeff told me he bought the PR-670 because the new displays "especially the Kuros" go much darker and require an instrument than can measure better, especially in the lower IRE. The wonderfull thing about Jeff is, he does not get complacent. The better the tv's get the better the instrument needed to get the Extreme high level of quality he delivers every single time. You and Jeff both have your heart in what you do, and for that I thank you.

Anyone think of trying to get D-Nice and UMR in one room or ring for a few rounds? Maybe I could sell enough tickets to upgrade my 111 to a 151...

D-Nice you are the man, so I'm laying odds on you!

anyone have some reviews of the 6020 that they could point me towards? My sister-in-law has an unopened 6020 (purchased via pioneer's employee program) that she's decided to sell via Craigslist (apparently too large for her room) and needs some reviews to attach to the ad. TIA (and **cough** pm me if you know of anyone looking for a good deal on a 6020 in socal).

While I'm here, just a quick point re UMR. While many of you may not have been here long enough to know, UMR has been an incredible resource for this board for a long, long time. He dispensed FREE advice for years, including tweaking guides with specific recommended settings very similar to those now graciously provided by D-Nice.

D-Nice and UMR appear to differ on this point. So be it. But do us all a favor and hold off on the type of commentary that only serves to drive away another valuable resource for this board.