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post #391 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The affected panels are from HEPM000001UC through HEPM000999UC). I haven't heard of any serial numbers above 999 on the HEPM batch.

O.K. so it looks like as of right now unless somewhere down the line you find the HFMP batches have this green plus grayscale issue....(knock on wood) my panel is not affected by this problem. Which I swear it isnt becuase I just spent a good while watching different material on it and Im hard pressed to find any real excess green with your current settings on my panel. Seems like if it did I would pick up on it as those who have been affected by this have. Either way thanks for the clarification and especially warning us about this issue that can at least be corrected with the proper adjusments.
post #392 of 10755
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Originally Posted by phannon View Post

I originally posted this question over on the 9G Elite thread and the discussion seems to have gotten involved in other topics and this is probably a better thread for the question anyway,so.....A quick question about the manual setting in the colour temp menu of the 111. I have not gone in there as of yet and was wondering what exactly does it alter? Presently I use the low colour temp, if I press manual would the adjustments be based on that setting. For example if LOW was too blue in low end would manual Blue low put at -2 correct that or is the manual setting independent of the other 5 levels. If so, is "manual" (all settings at 0) set at about 6500k? What if you were using MID colour temp and wanted to tweak it up +2 in the red high range, would you have to alter all the values to get manual up to the MID temp, then fine tune? If you alter manual, does the setting stay there or are the changes seen in all the colour temps listed. The instruction manual does not specify and does not indicate the base colour temp, if any, for the manual setting. For example, if you set manual to +5 Blue LOW, would this be refelected in the other colour temps or is manual a totally independent setting?

Thanks if you can shed any light on this....

P.E.H.

Color temp settings High, Mid High, Mid, Mid Low, and Low are preset color temperatures. Manual allows you to ajust the color temp "manually"(and no it isn't preset to 6504K). It has zero effect on the other preset color temps.

Also, you need calibration equipment to accurately adjust the RGB High/Low controls that are available with the Manual color temp selection. You cannot "eyeball it" per say.
post #393 of 10755
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Originally Posted by KeepItReal View Post

It's only 20 images, the last is just a property file and not supposed to play. The transition of slides are normal. Everything is running fine. These were confirmed by previous posts, maybe some that were deleted.

My only problem is I don't think the shades are really changing within the 4 primary colors. The white to black is the only one I can distinguish a change. The first one is not total white, but more grayish, 2 and 3 might be darker, but look the same between the two. The 4th and 5th do change from each other, with the 5th showing the biggest contrast, but not black, more med. gray. The red, green, and blue are pretty much the same within their respective colors. I had a few friends over and they all say the same or are just like me, not too sure. One friend even thought it got lighter as it transitioned forward.

I wonder if it was a optical illusion stuff-( 6 second transition, comparisons to the file on a bright computer screen, space restrictions - viewing within a 3' to 5' space ), but come on now, 3 friends and my girl? Something's wrong, I keep downloading the file and extracting to the thumbdrive and same thing. It's been 5 days breaking in now, so I don't even know anymore. Just try out the reference setting...tomorrow?

Last thing-going down the menu in pro adjust, the last setting after Noise Reduction is Option, hit that and 3DYC option set to mid- what's that? I'm using D-Nice's setting to the T and rechecking my settings and I found that.

The slides are all different colors, or shades. It's just some are REALLY close to others but there are differences. I opened the file on my computer and was able to see them all and they are different. But I kinda understand where you're coming from. You were probably hoping that it would cover more shades of the spectrum to exercise the screen more. That's why I had mentioned I thought it would probably be better to have an AVI or MPG that "scrolled' through the full spectrum in as many colors as this set is supposed to display but I guess as long as the primaries are absolute value for those colors then all is fine. I haven't checked that yet but I'm pretty sure they are.
post #394 of 10755
D,

I believe you've stated that the ISF modes are superior than "Pure" mode a few posts back in terms of getting the most accurate picture possible post calibration. If I understood you right, is then the ISF mode after calibration the mode YOU personally use over Pure? Also, although they seem like they are self explanitory, could you please tell me the purposes or diffrences of ISF day, night, and auto and if any of these ISF modes are universal or serve a different purpose?
post #395 of 10755
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

could you please tell me the purposes or diffrences of ISF day, night, and auto and if any of these ISF modes are universal or serve a different purpose?

They are extra AV Selection Memories.... There is a ISF DAY, ISF NIGHT and ISF AUTO (3 memories) Per Input. The are separate from the standard ones and from each.

Each Memory can be configured/calibrated differently.. i.e. ISF NIGHT to D65, ISF DAY to D75 or ISF NIGHT for BD playback and ISF DAY for SD playback.

At this point, I have not seen any results posted using an Input's ISF AUTO memory which will work with the new light sensor.
post #396 of 10755
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

They are extra AV Selection Memories.... There is a ISF DAY, ISF NIGHT and ISF AUTO (3 memories) Per Input. The are separate from the standard ones.

Each Memory can be configured/calibrated differently.. i.e. ISF NIGHT to D65, ISF DAY to D75 or ISF NIGHT for BD playback and ISF DAY for SD playback.

At this point, I have not seen any results posted using an Input's ISF AUTO memory which will work with the new light sensor.

Thanks Turbe! I couldnt have recieved a better or clearer explaination to my question BTW while I wait on Dnice's response, Id like to pose the same question I asked him to you, would YOU personally chose the ISF mode over "Pure" mode, both post calibration of course? Do you feel you recieve a more accurate picture when the panel is calibrated through ISFccc?
post #397 of 10755
When you configure these ISF modes, do you get new menu options from the user menu? How are they accessible/selectable?
post #398 of 10755
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

When you configure these ISF modes, do you get new menu options from the user menu? How are they accessible/selectable?

They are added to the AV Selections...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14440343
post #399 of 10755
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

They are added to the AV Selections...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14440343

Which kuro is that?? Is that a 508XD European model? It has a 100hz sticker on the side.
post #400 of 10755
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

D,

I believe you've stated that the ISF modes are superior than "Pure" mode a few posts back in terms of getting the most accurate picture possible post calibration. If I understood you right, is then the ISF mode after calibration the mode YOU personally use over Pure?

You are correct. I personally only use the ISF Day/Night modes on 111FD. I need to find a new use for Pure mode. I might use it for a SMPTE-C (aka Stadard Def) colorspace

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I Also, although they seem like they are self explanitory, could you please tell me the purposes or diffrences of ISF day, night, and auto and if any of these ISF modes are universal or serve a different purpose?

Tube explained what you can do with each of these modes. Right now I have Day set to 40fL peak light output and Night set to 25fL peak light output.
post #401 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You are correct. I personally only use the ISF Day/Night modes on 111FD. I need to find a new use for Pure mode. I might use it for a SMPTE-C (aka Stadard Def) colorspace

Tube explained what you can do with each of these modes. Right now I have Day set to 40fL peak light output and Night set to 25fL peak light output.

Will you find a use for ISF-Auto?
post #402 of 10755
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

They are extra AV Selection Memories.... There is a ISF DAY, ISF NIGHT and ISF AUTO (3 memories) Per Input. The are separate from the standard ones and from each.

Each Memory can be configured/calibrated differently.. i.e. ISF NIGHT to D65, ISF DAY to D75 or ISF NIGHT for BD playback and ISF DAY for SD playback.

At this point, I have not seen any results posted using an Input's ISF AUTO memory which will work with the new light sensor.

I did activate Auto mode. However, I've only mirrored my ISF-Day setting into the memory. I think I'll use it with colorspace 1 for football socials
post #403 of 10755
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

When you configure these ISF modes, do you get new menu options from the user menu?

Yes

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How are they accessible/selectable?

You can purchase the ControlCAL display profile for the 9G Elites. Worth every penny IMO.
post #404 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You are correct. I personally only use the ISF Day/Night modes on 111FD. I need to find a new use for Pure mode.

So are your only published settings going to be for the ISF Day/Night Modes which, correct me if I'm wrong, can only be accessed with Control Cal on the 9G Elites? Might be the best, but hardly applicable for most of the viewing public.
post #405 of 10755
I'm sure he's going to update his current published settings if needed (I know there are some in those specific serial numbers that will need some changes) and also post info, tips, workflow, settings etc. for those wishing to get perfection and/or using the ISFccc Interface.

Basically, two branches of discussion..

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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

Which kuro is that?? Is that a 508XD European model? It has a 100hz sticker on the side.

LX6090, I was lazy and used an existing cap.
post #406 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I did activate Auto mode. However, I've only mirrored my ISF-Day setting into the memory. I think I'll use it with colorspace 1 for football socials

Do you have the sensor plugged in?
post #407 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The E is the month of the year. You have a panel that was assembled in June with a May PDP module. You are probably affected by the plus green grayscale.

Isn't the PDP module (the actual glass?) made in Japan? I would just find it hard to believe my glass came from Japan, made in August (HHPM).
post #408 of 10755
are the isf modes available on the non elites?
post #409 of 10755
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Originally Posted by highheater View Post

So are your only published settings going to be for the ISF Day/Night Modes which, correct me if I'm wrong, can only be accessed with Control Cal on the 9G Elites? Might be the best, but hardly applicable for most of the viewing public.

Did I ever confirm that I would publish ISFccc settings on AVS
post #410 of 10755
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Do you have the sensor plugged in?

Not at this time. I will re-attach it tomorrow or Saturday.
post #411 of 10755
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Isn't the PDP module (the actual glass?) made in Japan?

The PDP module is more than "the actual glass"

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I would just find it hard to believe my glass came from Japan, made in August (HHPM).

Today is 8/14/08. Why aren't you amazed that you have a panel that was assembled within the last 14 days?????
post #412 of 10755
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Originally Posted by syk69 View Post

are the isf modes available on the non elites?

No
post #413 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Not at this time. I will re-attach it tomorrow or Saturday.

Well, if the memory is working (and does not require the sensor to be active), that's good news.. Though I really didn't check into ISF Auto, I was under the assumption that it could only be active when the sensor was active.
post #414 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The PDP module is more than "the actual glass"

Today is 8/14/08. Why aren't you amazed that you have a panel that was assembled within the last 14 days?????

Right, I understand the PDP is just more than the glass.

Yes, I am amazed that I have a panel so "new". I thought some of it came from Japan, that is why I was curious about the dates. I thought the PDP was from Japan, and assembled with the rest of the set in California. Mine left California on 8/07, anything's possible, I just thought it was odd.
post #415 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I did activate Auto mode. However, I've only mirrored my ISF-Day setting into the memory. I think I'll use it with colorspace 1 for football socials

What exactly does Auto mode do?? Adjust brightness/contrast based on ambient light? Will you put the most accurate CS1 settings you can get for the football games? Can you post those CS1 settings (maybe at a grayscale of D75 to compliment the D75 CS2 settings)?

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Not at this time. I will re-attach it tomorrow or Saturday.

Yeah, it looks pretty bad when it is attached IMO.

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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Well, if the memory is working (and does not require the sensor to be active), that's good news.. Though I really didn't check into ISF Auto, I was under the assumption that it could only be active when the sensor was active.

I was under the same assumption, but that raises questions about what the "auto" in it actually does.

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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Right, I understand the PDP is just more than the glass.

Yes, I am amazed that I have a panel so "new". I thought some of it came from Japan, that is why I was curious about the dates. I thought the PDP was from Japan, and assembled with the rest of the set in California. Mine left California on 8/07, anything's possible, I just thought it was odd.

You are a lucky one. I got my replacement in July with a may build date and (probably, maybe not. Can't check serial numbers atm) the green push.
post #416 of 10755
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

From my other conversations today, I know there are other very well respected Professionals on this Forum that do recommend doing a break-in, perhaps they will Post to help put this issue to rest.

My decision not to break in my 6020 was based 100% on laziness and 0% on technical considerations. Still, it's good to learn that some of the smart money boys, for whatever reason, don't recommend a break in period.

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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

If it's of any help, I think I got one of the newest builds for my 151FD, serial HHPM0064xxUC, August 2008. No KURO sticker, hardware and software versions in the menu are the same that everyone else has reported.

Thanks for the tip. It encouraged me to check the build date on my 6020, which was July 2008. That's not too shabby considering that I ordered it from Amazon on August 4. and the numeric part of my serial number is higher than 6500.
post #417 of 10755
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

My decision not to break in my 6020 was based 100% on laziness and 0% on technical considerations.

I am sure many others have similar reasons.
post #418 of 10755
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Still, it’s good to learn that some of the smart money boys, for whatever reason, don’t recommend a break in period.

I think you mis-read my post, several that I have spoke to do recommend doing the burn-in and do some form of break-in themselves. I just don't think they want to post about it here at AVS for several reasons... believe me, I asked if I could quote them. I did post one name who is considered an expert.

Time for calibration..
post #419 of 10755
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Yes, I am amazed that I have a panel so "new". I thought some of it came from Japan, that is why I was curious about the dates. I thought the PDP was from Japan, and assembled with the rest of the set in California. Mine left California on 8/07, anything's possible, I just thought it was odd.

I don't think it's odd. I think you are lucky
post #420 of 10755
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You are correct. I personally only use the ISF Day/Night modes on 111FD. I need to find a new use for Pure mode. I might use it for a SMPTE-C (aka Stadard Def) colorspace

Tube explained what you can do with each of these modes. Right now I have Day set to 40fL peak light output and Night set to 25fL peak light output.

Very cool, thanks for that info. I just have 2 other questions about this ISF mode. If I were to have it calibrated in those modes are they then permenant and secondly would they effect my other settiings in different modes like Pure? By that I mean if I feel like swithcing to Pure mode from ISF would the accuracy of my pure mode settings be off in any way becuase the ISF settings.
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