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post #6481 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In my opinion, the best reason for not posting settings from a professional calibration is that it could damage the calibrator's reputation.

The same folks who ask for settings to be posted would be the first to list all the faults that they see when those settings are used on their displays. There's a lot of help that's provided in these threads that's misunderstood, and sometimes misapplied.

For example, the settings that D-Nice posted for the models that he worked on for that purpose have, in some cases, not looked that great to some people. No matter how often D-Nice has pointed out that his settings are a starting point, people still make critical comments. I don't want to be responsible for someone else's work being misrepresented.

In the time I've been at AVS, this same discussion has come up many times. Not many people have posted the view that I have, and the calibrators, with good reason, tend to stay away from this topic.

This is a really good point- I'd never thought of it that way. But you're absolutely right. Many owners don't seem to get that panel variance makes transferring settings a hit-and-miss exercise. And of course, the ones dissatisfied with borrowed settings would likely identify them- negatively- with the original calibrator.
post #6482 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

This is a really good point- I'd never thought of it that way. But you're absolutely right. Many owners don't seem to get that panel variance makes transferring settings a hit-and-miss exercise. And of course, the ones dissatisfied with borrowed settings would likely identify them- negatively- with the original calibrator.

Excellent point Htwaits and Progprog.

I see alot of posts were deleted last night...I went to bed and missed whatever else occurred.
post #6483 of 10658
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

Excellent point Htwaits and Progprog.

I see alot of posts were delteld last night...I went to bed and missed whatever else occurred.

Me too. I wonder what that was all about.... related to the "discussion" about posting calibrator settings, apparently. But I've never heard of anybody posting under "multiple IDs." Weird.
post #6484 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Me too. I wonder what that was all about.... related to the "discussion" about posting calibrator settings, apparently. But I've never heard of anybody posting under "multiple IDs." Weird.

Several were from me. I only posted under my name. Mo\\ust have gotten interesting. Hate to miss the fun.
post #6485 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Me too. I wonder what that was all about.... related to the "discussion" about posting calibrator settings, apparently. But I've never heard of anybody posting under "multiple IDs." Weird.

FYI...FWIW, I wasn't involved. When it comes to pro-calibration and my views, I prefer to share them through PMs only vs the public thread. And generally only when someone asks me for my opinion. Just not worth the consternation it causes IMO.
post #6486 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

And of course, the ones dissatisfied with borrowed settings would likely identify them- negatively- with the original calibrator.

There was an example early this morning (PST), but it's gone now.
post #6487 of 10658
Ahhh, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
post #6488 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Me too. I wonder what that was all about.... related to the "discussion" about posting calibrator settings, apparently. But I've never heard of anybody posting under "multiple IDs." Weird.

I didn't realize that was what was happening this morning, but all the signs were there. A few years ago (in DLP threads) there was a serial "multiple ID" guy. He would get a new ID, launch his attack, be reported, and deleted -- sometimes all in a few minutes. The biggest problem was that some people felt compelled to argue with him.

One good indicator is a nasty series of posts from someone with a new very low post account.
post #6489 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In my opinion, the best reason for not posting settings from a professional calibration is that it could damage the calibrator's reputation.

The same folks who ask for settings to be posted would be the first to list all the faults that they see when those settings are used on their displays. There's a lot of help that's provided in these threads that's misunderstood, and sometimes misapplied.

For example, the settings that D-Nice posted for the models that he worked on for that purpose have, in some cases, not looked that great to some people. No matter how often D-Nice has pointed out that his settings are a starting point, people still make critical comments. I don't want to be responsible for someone else's work being misrepresented.

In the time I've been at AVS, this same discussion has come up many times. Not many people have posted the view that I have, and the calibrators, with good reason, tend to stay away from this topic.

Greetings,

Thanks for making these points. I've used D-Nice's settings as a starting point on Kuros, but one time the user almost argued with me about one of the settings (brightness, I think). The test patterns clearly showed a brightness setting of one instead of zero was best, but I could tell the customer was very leery to change D-Nice's suggested setting because of what he read online... So I educated the customer on component tolerances, lighting conditions, etc and why that would account for differences. I also demonstrated the effect of brightness change on shadow detail. In the end he agreed. All's well that ends well!

Regards
post #6490 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In my opinion, the best reason for not posting settings from a professional calibration is that it could damage the calibrator's reputation.

The same folks who ask for settings to be posted would be the first to list all the faults that they see when those settings are used on their displays. There's a lot of help that's provided in these threads that's misunderstood, and sometimes misapplied.

For example, the settings that D-Nice posted for the models that he worked on for that purpose have, in some cases, not looked that great to some people. No matter how often D-Nice has pointed out that his settings are a starting point, people still make critical comments. I don't want to be responsible for someone else's work being misrepresented.

In the time I've been at AVS, this same discussion has come up many times. Not many people have posted the view that I have, and the calibrators, with good reason, tend to stay away from this topic.

QFT

~Ibrahim~
post #6491 of 10658
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

QFT

~Ibrahim~

That's a new one (for me). What's QFT?
post #6492 of 10658
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

That's a new one (for me). What's QFT?

I had forgot what it meant as well...

This peculiar QFT acronym expression stands for "Quoted For Truth".
http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/.../whatisQFT.htm
post #6493 of 10658
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

I had forgot what it meant as well...

This peculiar QFT acronym expression stands for "Quoted For Truth".
http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/.../whatisQFT.htm

Means something else to me. Quite f***ing true.
post #6494 of 10658
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Originally Posted by ncfoster View Post

Means something else to me. Quite f***ing true.

I like yours better
post #6495 of 10658
lol....I was going for the former, but both serve the same purpose.

~Ibrahim~
post #6496 of 10658
Hi. I am currently breaking in an elite pro 151 and I need to know if it would harm it to leave it on the entire break in period with no breaks.
post #6497 of 10658
None, as long as you don't have any nasty power outages. My 111FD is my second plasma and both were broken in without interruption.
post #6498 of 10658
It seems to be getting pretty hot. Is this normal?
post #6499 of 10658
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Originally Posted by afxtwn View Post

It seems to be getting pretty hot. Is this normal?

They do run pretty hot.
post #6500 of 10658
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Originally Posted by afxtwn View Post

It seems to be getting pretty hot. Is this normal?

It is if you're using D-Nice's break-in settings. Once that's done and you are back to normal settings, your display won't be that hot.
post #6501 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It is if you're using D-Nice's break-in settings. Once that's done and you are back to normal settings, your display won't be that hot.

Both my 111/151 get pretty warm with normal use
post #6502 of 10658
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

Both my 111/151 get pretty warm with normal use

It seems relative to me. I expect that your 151 generates more heat than the 111. Our 60" 8G Kuro seemed warm to me at first because it radiates heat out the front instead of blowing it out the back. Now I never think about it even after moving all the components to another room. I am noticing more heat in that room where I also have a PC that runs pretty hot.
post #6503 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It seems relative to me. I expect that your 151 generates more heat than the 111. Our 60" 8G Kuro seemed warm to me at first because it radiates heat out the front instead of blowing it out the back. Now I never think about it even after moving all the components to another room. I am noticing more heat in that room where I also have a PC that runs pretty hot.

I am not complaining just making a follow-up observation. These sets clearly generate more heat than my 6yr old RPTV. Does not matter too me at all.

The picture is too beautiful to worry about that.
post #6504 of 10658
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It seems relative to me. I expect that your 151 generates more heat than the 111. Our 60" 8G Kuro seemed warm to me at first because it radiates heat out the front instead of blowing it out the back. Now I never think about it even after moving all the components to another room. I am noticing more heat in that room where I also have a PC that runs pretty hot.

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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

I am not complaining just making a follow-up observation. These sets clearly generate more heat than my 6yr old RPTV. Does not matter too me at all.

The picture is too beautiful to worry about that.

I have a 60 inch 9G Kuro, a 6020, which gets pretty hot, too. The other day when I was putting a BD into a player that is on a shelf below the 6020 my head was close to the display and I could feel the heat it generated. Even so, it doesn't get nearly as warm as my Apple TV. Better yet, the 6020's fans are completely inaudible from my viewing chair, about 9 feet away. I have had the 6020 for a year and it has performed flawlessly, providing the finest PQ I have ever seen on a TV, by far.
post #6505 of 10658
Just finished break in period. Is it safe to put in the settings from page one for the isf selections, or should I just run it in pure for awhile longer?
post #6506 of 10658
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Originally Posted by afxtwn View Post

It seems to be getting pretty hot. Is this normal?

One fellow put a blanket on the set during breakin to cover up the images in his bedroom. That was NOT a good idea.

As long as your set is well ventilated-should not be an issue.

Joel
post #6507 of 10658
For a 2009 set D-Nice's settings may not be the best- His were for last summer set's and there have been some changes at the factory. However, putting those settings in will not hurt your set. Try them and then decide.

The settings I did myself (Dec 08 151) were different than D-Nice's. My isf night settings are quite good for our set in my light controlled room. Several other posts of later made sets are close to mine as well (Vega). Check out the controlcal forum for posted settings.
post #6508 of 10658
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Originally Posted by afxtwn View Post

Just finished break in period. Is it safe to put in the settings from page one for the isf selections, or should I just run it in pure for awhile longer?

There is no such thing as "safe" or "unsafe" settings. Just ones that look good and ones that don't. So yes, it's perfectly okay to use whatever settings you want now; you cannot harm your panel by doing so.

If you have ControlCAL and you want to activate the ISF modes, by all means, go ahead and do it.
post #6509 of 10658
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For a 2009 set D-Nice's settings may not be the best- His were for last summer set's and there have been some changes at the factory

Are there any new recommended settings for a reference point? Can anyone elaborate on the changes for a 2009 111fd or advise on any tweaks I should try when using last summers settings? Thx very much.
post #6510 of 10658
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Originally Posted by hdlove View Post

Are there any new recommended settings for a reference point? Can anyone elaborate on the changes for a 2009 111fd or advise on any tweaks I should try when using last summers settings? Thx very much.

This has been discussed a fair amount in the past week or so. While there hasn't been any clear-cut description of how they differ, you could read the last week's worth of posts on this thread and be pretty much caught up on the conversation. Upshot: No one has posted settings for the 09 builds.
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