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post #751 of 10640
I hope this will be a simple question (2 actually) and that they will be relavent to others (I apologize if these might be answered elsewhere.

First: when I'm watching a movie in widescreen format the black bar across the top is much smaller than the one at the bottom. Is my image shifted? Would this affect full screen watching (images getting cut off at the top)?

Second: Is there a way to make the side bars seen when watching 4:3 format black in lieu of gray?
post #752 of 10640
Just out of curiousity D-Nice, if my panel was showing fleshtones more towards the green side with the previous reference settings will these new settings make them look even more green or less green?

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

111FD/151FD Pure and Movie mode settings for non-HEPM serial number owners have been updated. These settings may look very radical compared to their predecessors, however they will perform better overall.

As always, enjoy
post #753 of 10640
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

111FD/151FD Pure and Movie mode settings for non-HEPM serial number owners have been updated. These settings may look very radical compared to their predecessors, however they will perform better overall.

As always, enjoy

Why is that? What was wrong with the previous settings.
post #754 of 10640
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Originally Posted by Gixxer1 View Post

Just out of curiousity D-Nice, if my panel was showing fleshtones more towards the green side with the previous reference settings will these new settings make them look even more green or less green?

If they look green, use the HEPM green push settings.
post #755 of 10640
Well my panel is not one of the HEPM units and I did try those settings but on my 111 it made the fleshtones to redish/pink.

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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

If they look green, use the HEPM green push settings.
post #756 of 10640
Try messing slightly with the tint control.
post #757 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gixxer1 View Post

Just out of curiousity D-Nice, if my panel was showing fleshtones more towards the green side with the previous reference settings will these new settings make them look even more green or less green?

Don't know. Are all flesh tones green or just some? If it is the latter, it's probably the source.
post #758 of 10640
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

Why is that? What was wrong with the previous settings.

Nothing. There is more than one way to get to D65. For some reason, these look better. If you like them, keep them. I've attached the calibration report for the new settings (I'll post the previous ones when I find them)
post #759 of 10640
It's interesting, I wondered the same thing about how there might be different ways to get to 6500k. These settings do look better. Flesh tones are even more natural with the new settings. In fact, all the colors look better with these settings than the previous. When he said it was a dramatic difference, he wasn't kidding.
post #760 of 10640
Thanks again, D-Nice.
post #761 of 10640
I don't think it was the source D as I was using National Treasure 2 on Blu-Ray playing on my PS3 over HDMI. I have the PS3 set to output video on the Y/Pb settings instead of RGB, is this the right way for BD movie playback?

Must be my eyes cause the wife says it looks great, but faces seem still a bit greenish to me. I did break in the panel for about 200hrs fist but I used your older 8G settings because I purchased the 111 weeks before you got yours to review.

Any ideas?


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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Don't know. Are all flesh tones green or just some? If it is the latter, it's probably the source.
post #762 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gixxer1 View Post

I don't think it was the source D as I was using National Treasure 2 on Blu-Ray playing on my PS3 over HDMI. I have the PS3 set to output video on the Y/Pb settings instead of RGB, is this the right way for BD movie playback?

Must be my eyes cause the wife says it looks great, but faces seem still a bit greenish to me. I did break in the panel for about 200hrs fist but I used your older 8G settings because I purchased the 111 weeks before you got yours to review.

Any ideas?

I understand you saw this on National Treasure. However, I was asking if you saw this on any other material/source.
post #763 of 10640
i finally got around to doing my isf night and auto calibration - pretty interesting results - very comparable to performance and pure.


btw - d-nice - your new pure settings do have a slight green tint to them.
post #764 of 10640
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Originally Posted by ben88 View Post

Will you be releasing a guide/settings for ISFccc mode, kind of like your reference settings for pure mode? I did the 150 hr break in and now use your post break in reference settings for the 111, and they're great. Thanks

D-Nice's 9G Elite ISFccc Settings

D-Nice's workflow for calibrating the Pioneer 9G Elite's ISFccc Interface is also in that Thread.
post #765 of 10640
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

i finally got around to doing my isf night and auto calibration - pretty interesting results - very comparable to performance and pure.


btw - d-nice - your new pure settings do have a slight green tint to them.

Not here. I created those settings with a PR-655 and verified them with a i1pro and Chroma 5.

What is the serial number of your 151?
post #766 of 10640
D-Nice,

I just played around with your new settings and they do seem to perform better overall with the variety of content I threw at it so great job as always! One question I did have, just out of sheer curiosity, was why this time you chose to adjust the G low controls? I know you've said in the past these controls in particular (G High/Low) are ones you would normally only adjust when all other options have been exhausted. Is this what it came down to this time around?
post #767 of 10640
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

One question I did have, just out of sheer curiosity, was why this time you chose to adjust the G low controls? I know you've said in the past these controls in particular (G High/Low) are ones you would normally only adjust when all other options have been exhausted. Is this what it came down to this time around?

I just tried a different calibration path. When I backed down the R High control the way I did with these settings, I could never compensate for the increase in the green channel except for reducing the G Low. I'm just trying to prove a point that there are many ways to accurately hit D65. So if you get your panel calibrated per an ISF "papered" calibrator, your settings can look very similar to another panel's calibration or they can be completely different
post #768 of 10640
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I just tried a different calibration path. When I backed down the R High control the way I did with these settings, I could never compensate for the increase in the green channel except for reducing the G Low. I'm just trying to prove a point that there are many ways to accurately hit D65. So if you get your panel calibrated per an ISF "papered" calibrator, your settings can look very similar to another panel's calibration or they can be completely different

Got it and as always thanks for the knowledge
post #769 of 10640
Thank you Turbe for the link.

Surething
post #770 of 10640
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Nothing. There is more than one way to get to D65. For some reason, these look better. If you like them, keep them. I've attached the calibration report for the new settings (I'll post the previous ones when I find them)

post #771 of 10640
dnice:
hgpm005010uc

also - i have an i1-pro and i can not even get close to your settings - am using both hcfr and calman.

how do you do it?

i just did the isf night and my rgb high and lows were: 3,0,7,-1,0,-1 and i got almost perfect 6500k temp and a gamma of 2.24. i just can't figure out how you get your numbers.
post #772 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

dnice:
hgpm005010uc

also - i have an i1-pro and i can not even get close to your settings - am using both hcfr and calman.

how do you do it?

i just did the isf night and my rgb high and lows were: 3,0,7,-1,0,-1 and i got almost perfect 6500k temp and a gamma of 2.24. i just can't figure out how you get your numbers.

Did you take initial readings for ISF-Night mode? Looking at your final settings it looks like your default R channel was reading 93-95% Green 104%-105% and your Blue was reading around the 90% mark.

Am I correct? If so, that means your panel has the plus green firmware....which is NOT good as HGPM models should not have this problem.
post #773 of 10640
I am really confused here...

Do we all have Kuros with different "pushes" towards green/red/etc...?

I am wondering what to try in terms of settings to get PURE to look most realisitc for me.

I tried D-Nice's updated settings and do admit that they look BETTER than the previous...but still finding a yellowy/greeny push to some skin tones, etc...

I have a HFPM (JUNE BUILD).

Maybe we can get 4 or 5 sets of settings posted on here and be able to try them all to see what suits us best?
post #774 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by corpfan1 View Post

I am really confused here...

Do we all have Kuros with different "pushes" towards green/red/etc...?

I am wondering what to try in terms of settings to get PURE to look most realisitc for me.

I tried D-Nice's updated settings and do admit that they look BETTER than the previous...but still finding a yellowy/greeny push to some skin tones, etc...

I have a HFPM (JUNE BUILD).

Maybe we can get 4 or 5 sets of settings posted on here and be able to try them all to see what suits us best?

This green plus is only on the 60" models which doesn't make sense as both the 50 and 60 inch models have identical firmware.

I need to reconfirm the firware between the 50 and 60" models with my contact.
post #775 of 10640
i don't remember - i screwed with it for about 4 or 5 hours. started with hdmi 5. the software wasn't as usuer friendly as i had hoped - but it worked. I used color space 2.

found something interesting for isf auto (i duplicated the night settings for auto) and nothing happened regarding the brightness or color until i changed a setting from off to on - can't remember the name of the setting. now isf night is comparable to performance and auto is comparable to pure. then duplacated them for hdmi 4. still can't figure out how to make the cms better - only ones i found that were changeable were yellow and magenta - the rest were pretty much unchangeable - green is a little high but with in tolerance (under delta-e of 5) - the real problem is magenta with a delta-e of about 14.

also - i tried the 9 point gamma - it was worthless for me - started at 10 then aborted that and started at 20 - the high end was easy, but low end (below 50) was a nightmare. finally i just made sure they were all set to rgb of 0,0,0. and the gamma came out pretty good

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Did you take initial readings for ISF-Night mode? Looking at your final settings it looks like your default R channel was reading 93-95% Green 104%-105% and your Blue was reading around the 90% mark.

Am I correct? If so, that means your panel has the plus green firmware....which is NOT good as HGPM models should not have this problem.
post #776 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

found something interesting for isf auto (i duplicated the night settings for auto) and nothing happened regarding the brightness or color until i changed a setting from off to on - can't remember the name of the setting.

Intelligence?


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now isf night is comparable to performance and auto is comparable to pure. then duplacated them for hdmi 4. still can't figure out how to make the cms better - only ones i found that were changeable were yellow and magenta - the rest were pretty much unchangeable - green is a little high but with in tolerance (under delta-e of 5) - the real problem is magenta with a delta-e of about 14.

What is your workflow?

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also - i tried the 9 point gamma - it was worthless for me - started at 10 then aborted that and started at 20 - the high end was easy, but low end (below 50) was a nightmare. finally i just made sure they were all set to rgb of 0,0,0. and the gamma came out pretty good

The 9 point gamma is a Beeatch when you first use it. It gets much better when you start analyzing your workflow, settings and charts.
post #777 of 10640
Noob here. If one was to use the ControlCal settings should we then leave the user adjustable settings at their original positions. Like tint, color etc.?

Thank you D-Nice.
post #778 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Vidcan View Post

Noob here. If one was to use the ControlCal settings should we then leave the user adjustable settings at their original positions. Like tint, color etc.?

Thank you D-Nice.

What Are you speaking of ISF-Auto/Day/Night modes?
post #779 of 10640
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

What Are you speaking of ISF-Auto/Day/Night modes?

Oh, so does it open up new modes to use? It would add ISF Day, Night and Auto alongside Pure, Standard etc?
post #780 of 10640
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Vidcan View Post

Oh, so does it open up new modes to use? It would add ISF Day, Night and Auto alongside Pure, Standard etc?

I did not understand your question.
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