*Official* Denon AVR 2309CI/889 Thread - Page 6

did you post negative about denon with their cheap scaler months ago? I thought you hate denon so much that you would not buy denon.

Where have you been in the past few weeks...?
Or just trolling...?

FYI: my HK turned out to be a bugfest, Marantz doesn't have any new and decent-priced unit and I got a dedicated scaler - any other question?

PS: yes, its built-in scaler is a piece of crap but I bypass it.

So how is the 2309 working out for you? Doesn't pushing the A. MENU button on the rear side work?

Are you planning on using a different remote in the future?

Did BB get any 2809's yet?

Well, first it sounded awfully bad, a complete horseshit compared to my former 354 - then I remembered my late Onkyo was also utter crap without Audyssey so I spent some time setting up and now it's a LOT BETTER, it's actually quite comparable to the HK when it comes to movies.
For music it's still a far cry - I miss Logic 7's enveloping music expander -, way too much sub etc but I hope I can tame the beast somehow and make it comparable in music as well along the way.
Dynamic Volume works like a charm and with our much-suffered ~3 months old princess - she spent her first 2 moths in the NICU - finally home with us it's a must-have...
All in all paired with dedicated scaler it seems to be a keeper for me. If 1909 wouldn't be 24/96 only, built on some noname DAC and wouldn't have such a low-end component circuitry I could've get away with that... I was thinking about the 2809CI too but then I saw that the LG BH200 combo player is $300 at BB this week and I sticked with the 2309 - now I have ONE PLAYER which is multiregion for all SD DVDs, plays my PAL movies natively, plays my HD DVDs natively, has a pretty good scaler on its own and, God forbid, if I have to play one of those disgusting, illegally region-castrated BDs then I can switch between regions easily.


Hah, by the time I finished setting up Audyssey from the front panel I just discovered the other side of the remote. RTFM, I guess.


Certainly. This one is not learning at all and it's not backlit either which are both #1 issues for me.


Nope. No xx09 Denon whatsoever in my shopping area (Manhattan, up to Midtown.)

Thank you.

I told you months ago. you don't buy AV receiver for its scaler. you buy it for its audio. Audio is what a receiver is made for. all others feature are bonus which I can live without.

what happened in the last few weeks? I have not been here for a few weeks. I am tired of checking for slow denon product release.

And I told you months ago it's an ignorant crap advice, nothing else.


New HK units developed more and more bugs - enough to push most of us, first owners to exchange them, despite the fact we still think they are the best sounding units out there.

T2K Can you find out if the 2309 is BTB/WTW?
Thanks!

The 2308 was, I don't think Denon would change it in the 2309. It has the same chipset as the 2308. But hey, let's have it confirmed.

I have an on-screen display question. I have master volume set to "On" in the on-screen display options and everything is connected via HDMI. Doesn't this mean that the volume level should appear on my TV screen when I change it? On my TV it doesn't, and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is this only suppose to work with HDMI control? BTW - I've tried Mode 1 and Mode 2.

I will - I'm still waiting for my plasma panel to be replaced (they did once today but now I got a dead pixel in the new one, grrr - but under "Manual Settings" I already found "HDMI Settings" where you can switch the color space between YCbCr and RGB and under the latter you can even further specify your output between "Normal" (16-235) and "Enhanced" (0-255) range.
Of course, when you use DVI connection (via HDMI-DVI cable) it will be automatically RGB, IICR the manual...

Nicely done, Denon, I must admit.

Did anyone found any other 2-ch->5.1-ch mode than PLIIx (Movie/Music), DTS (Movie/Music) and the useles 5-ch Stereo...?
This is pretty crappy...

There is no OSD overlay on input signals from HDMI or component inputs, it can only overlay the graphics on video from S-video/composite inputs. See page 9 of the manual, on the right side.

On 2-channel PCM inputs (digital or analog) you can use neural surround, but it doesn't function with DD 2.0 signals.

If you hate the way it collapses the center, you should really keep playing with the DTS/DPL "music" modes. They don't affect the Front L/R signal, and by tweaking the various parameters you should be able to get something close to what you want.

But, yes, other than neural you are stuck with your choice of DTS Neo, DPLII, or 5-CH STEREO.

I would just like a quick clarification. Is the GUI for the 2309/2809s like the ones for the 3808? I saw some mentioning of the com64 graphics but I just need to clear it up. Or is there a screenshot of it anywhere?

no 3808 GUI, sorry, it's blocky white text on a black background.

Ahh that's unfortunate.... Thanks for the reply.

Hi all, long time lurker, 1st time poster. After a lot of research I got the 2309CI. I have been going through the manual and have a question on connecting a PACE cable box. The manual only shows component connectors, but the PACE has a HDMI connector. Does it matter which HDMI connector I use on the 2309 to plug in the cable box. Thanks!

With speakers set at small, is there any reason to set the sub at LFE + Main, or should it generally be set at just LFE?

Not really, I would just use VCR or V. AUX HDMI port . The 2309 is odd in the naming of ports in the back DVD HDP VCR V.AUX where as the 2809 calls them DVD HDP SAT DVR.

It doesn't really matter which one you plug it into as you can reassign/rename everything in setup.

OldFilmFan -- just remember to write down where you plugged everything in because you will have to assign your inputs in setup (MENU > INPUT SETUP > ASSIGN)

Frankly, the naming system is so archaic at this point. Since everything is assignable and renameable at this point, I don't know why Denon doesn't just call them "Video 1", "Video 2", etc. H/K seems to get this, it's a much superior system and avoids a lot of confusion IMO.

Thanks for the replies! I connected the TV(Samsung LN46A750) to the Monitor HDMI. I connected the cable box to HDMI4 (AUX). I went to Input>Assign. I made sure I had TV/CBL and I assigned HDMI4.
Do I need to do anything for Video or Input Mode? I hope you all will have patience with me as I am a complete noob to home theater.

Sounds like you did it correctly. You are generally fine leaving all the HDMI/Video settings at defaults for a typical setup.

As long as you have done the correct assignment, and it sounds like you have, when you go to "TV/CBL" you should now be golden!

Any idea if BB is still going to get these tomorrow? Thanks

It's $100 off if you call Jacques@J&R...

Hurray!! I now have a picture and sound through my speakers. Another question please. It takes about 30-45 secs for the picture to show up. Is this normal or do I need to adjust something? Thanks!

I know I can get a good deal from J&R, but I would like to listen to both the 2309 and the 2809 and decide which one I need. How important is the al24 processing?

Next to nothing.

Would someone address this question, as I too would like to know the answer? I know this question of LFE vs LFE + Main options have come up before on one of these Denon threads, but I do not remember which ones anymore!

A related question has to do with the crossover setting for individual speakers dictated by the Audyssey calibration... Right now, during my own manual set up, I have all my speakers set to small and cross over set to 80, but I've read on these threads that often (if not all the time) the audyssey calibration sets the individual crossover at higher points for individual speakers... What does one do in such a case? What are the differences between the manual and the audyssey/auto-set-up dictated crossover set points? Does one take precedence over the other, and which one is best for the quality of the sound?

By the way, bear with me if any of these questions sounds ignorant... So far I have never done any audyssey calibration before... Also, this question has come up before in a different form, but I do not remember which Denon thread it appeared on. Besides, the audyssey thread is about a thousand pages long, and I do not have enough time tonight to look for a needle in a 1000-page haystack... In short: Heeeeelp!!!!

I plan to tackle the MultEQ XT calibration on my unit this weekend, and I want to be fully forearmed before going forward with it.