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post #241 of 3184
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Originally Posted by egore View Post

The red light indicates DV is off and DEQ is on. Green light indicates that both DV and DEQ are on.

egore: You are right. DV was off. I ran the Auto setup and I thought it gets enabled by default.
post #242 of 3184
Do I have to use a sound meter to calibrate. I thought running Auto setup was enough. I have 2309CI with Mirage Omnisats. Any suggestions?
post #243 of 3184
well, the point of auto setup is that it does it for you. you can certainly check the auto setup's distance/level calculations by yourself with a tape measure and a sound meter, but you certainly don't have to...
post #244 of 3184
Called Alex at J and R, ( my usual guy), and got a great deal. 1-800-221-8180 x 1023. I have 2 older Denons and they haven't missed a beat in 5 years. Good product. J and R ships right away, they have them in stock.
post #245 of 3184
Why not call AV Science and order from them? They have great customer service and also give us the use of the forums to use. I spent 45 minutes on the phone with them getting recomendations etc.

877-823-4452
post #246 of 3184
I have been dealing with Alex at J and R for over 10 years, so we have a relationship. thanks.
post #247 of 3184
Just ordered the 2309 from J&R.

$749 is the price if you place the order over the phone rather than using their website.


Thanks for everyone who has posted their comments, thoughts and insight on this receiver as this was the deciding factor for purchasing this receiver.
post #248 of 3184
You would think they could do better considering the discount on the 1909 is better and it is a cheaper AVR.
post #249 of 3184
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Originally Posted by hellerbrewing View Post

You would think they could do better considering the discount on the 1909 is better and it is a cheaper AVR.

+1

$649 plus free shipping for 2309 is where it needs to be!
post #250 of 3184
Well, I had mine hooked up last week and I still can't get 'one cable hookup' (HDMI) to work right. I get sound ONLY if I use a coaxial cable from Pioneer BD to the 2309 (Assign) Digital-In coax jack. I thought HDMI was suppose to carry it all. Obviously, I got something wrong. Yes, I used Auto setup with the mike. Too, for manual setup one needs a degree from MIT (or be a senior member of this AVS forum. ). The jargon for audio and video is overwhelming me. Three manuals will keep me reading (and writing to this forum) for the rest of my days! Yes, I'm older than you!

Hookup: BD, HDMI + Coax>>DVD + Coax-in 2309 Monitor>HDMI>Input4 Kuro

Anyone want to take a shot at 'Enlightening' me?

Best to All,
Chrlz
post #251 of 3184
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Originally Posted by hellerbrewing View Post

You would think they could do better considering the discount on the 1909 is better and it is a cheaper AVR.

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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

+1

$649 plus free shipping for 2309 is where it needs to be!

While I agree that 2309 should be somewhere between $600-700 IMO it's ridiculous to compare it to the 1909: latter doesn't even do 24/192 DA conversion, let alone its crippled component inputs etc.
post #252 of 3184
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Originally Posted by hellerbrewing View Post

You would think they could do better considering the discount on the 1909 is better and it is a cheaper AVR.

I didn't try and haggle with them so who know maybe they could of done better?
post #253 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Chrlz View Post

Well, I had mine hooked up last week and I still can't get 'one cable hookup' (HDMI) to work right. I get sound ONLY if I use a coaxial cable from Pioneer BD to the 2309 (Assign) Digital-In coax jack. I thought HDMI was suppose to carry it all. Obviously, I got something wrong. Yes, I used Auto setup with the mike. Too, for manual setup one needs a degree from MIT (or be a senior member of this AVS forum. ). The jargon for audio and video is overwhelming me. Three manuals will keep me reading (and writing to this forum) for the rest of my days! Yes, I'm older than you!

Hookup: BD, HDMI + Coax>>DVD + Coax-in 2309 Monitor>HDMI>Input4 Kuro

I don't understand why you are using Digital Coax if you are trying to use HDMI. From what you said it sounds like you are trying to use both from you BR player.
post #254 of 3184
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

While I agree that 2309 should be somewhere between $600-700 IMO it's ridiculous to compare it to the 1909: latter doesn't even do 24/192 DA conversion, let alone its crippled component inputs etc.

I'm just saying that considering the discount on the 1909 is $150 and it retails for $649, you would think they could do just as well on the 2309 that retails for $200 more. Not really comparing the abilities of the receivers. Who knows, maybe the margin is alot less on the 2309.

BTW, I don't mean to hijack the thread but what's crippled about the component inputs? I'm trying to decide between the 2 AVRs. I must have missed it in the 1909 thread.
post #255 of 3184
it's in the FAQ on the 1909/789 first post in the question about 1909 vs 2309

the 1909/789 has a component video bandwidth of 60mHz, whereas the 2309/889 has 100mHz component video.

I wouldn't call it "crippled" really, as that's plenty of bandwidth for 720p/1080i, but you may get some high-freq. rolloff on 1080p signals (visible as a slight loss of sharpness) through component. I highly doubt anyone would ever actually SEE the difference in a normal setup... and if you are going with one HDMI cable to the TV you well get some rolloff/softening anyway on the analog>digital transcode.
post #256 of 3184
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Originally Posted by hellerbrewing View Post

I don't understand why you are using Digital Coax if you are trying to use HDMI. From what you said it sounds like you are trying to use both from you BR player.

I don't understand why I need to use coax either! It's the reason I'm writing to you folk. When disconnected there is no sound! Attempting to do an Auto setup doesn't fix it.

Chrlz
post #257 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Chrlz View Post

I don't understand why I need to use coax either! It's the reason I'm writing to you folk. When disconnected there is no sound! Attempting to do an Auto setup doesn't fix it.

Chrlz

I thought I'd reply to my own message with some good news. I called Denon and they seem to solve the problem for me although I'm a bit unclear on precisely what he asked me to do to make it all ok. All's well now! No Coax! All HDMI.

Chrlz
post #258 of 3184
While viewing a movie using a BD player and my 2309CI on a Kuro the sound went dead for about 3 minutes in the middle of the movie!!! Horrors! Too, the Lip Sync was off and setting it on the fly to 0 ms or 100ms did not help much at all. I also could not turn off Auto Sync (to add another 100ms or so) using the remote or otherwise.

Can you give me some direction on how to make Lip Sync adjustment? I can't seem to find it, except for page 51, in the 86 page manual that does NOT have an index!

Regards,
post #259 of 3184
Hopefully someone can help me out with my AVR-988. I recently picked a open box/new AVR-988 for a great deal on ebay and have since hooked up up (replacing my HK 335). I'm really not happy with the sound quality compared to my old receiver. The sound is very bright/hallow and lacking mids. I am wondering if this is a configuration issue or if it's potentially a bad unit. I am using this with paradigm studio 100's set in large mode. I am without a sub right now and have removed the sub from the config. Maybe there is a break in period? Any help would be much appreciated!
post #260 of 3184
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Originally Posted by ocZZZZ View Post

Hopefully someone can help me out with my AVR-988. I recently picked a open box/new AVR-988 for a great deal on ebay and have since hooked up up (replacing my HK 335). I'm really not happy with the sound quality compared to my old receiver. The sound is very bright/hallow and lacking mids. I am wondering if this is a configuration issue or if it's potentially a bad unit. I am using this with paradigm studio 100's set in large mode. I am without a sub right now and have removed the sub from the config. Maybe there is a break in period? Any help would be much appreciated!

Some basics to check:
a) Have you double checked your speaker connections to make sure they're not out of phase? (negative and postive reversed on one speaker). That can lead to a very thin sound.
b) Make sure the DSP effects modes are all turned off and try stereo mode.
post #261 of 3184
have you run the audyssey auto setup? even with a stereo setup you should improve the sound.

also try the restorer function, that kind of "warms" the sound up.
post #262 of 3184
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

it's in the FAQ on the 1909/789 first post in the question about 1909 vs 2309

the 1909/789 has a component video bandwidth of 60mHz, whereas the 2309/889 has 100mHz component video.

I wouldn't call it "crippled" really, as that's plenty of bandwidth for 720p/1080i, but you may get some high-freq. rolloff on 1080p signals (visible as a slight loss of sharpness) through component. I highly doubt anyone would ever actually SEE the difference in a normal setup... and if you are going with one HDMI cable to the TV you well get some rolloff/softening anyway on the analog>digital transcode.

Please note that the 2309 is 60mHz on 100mHz. The website is wrong - check the specs in the manual.
post #263 of 3184
uh oh, T2K's gonna have a cow...

EDIT: yup, checking the manuals for my old 2307ci and current 888, the component bandwidth was 5Hz - 100mHz on those two models and drops to 5Hz - 60mHz on the 889/2309. Nice catch, and one more typo for Denon's online specs.
post #264 of 3184
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

uh oh, T2K's gonna have a cow...

EDIT: yup, checking the manuals for my old 2307ci and current 888, the component bandwidth was 5Hz - 100mHz on those two models and drops to 5Hz - 60mHz on the 889/2309. Nice catch, and one more typo for Denon's online specs.

I actually knew that but was going to wait until T2K was really being...well...his delightful self before I busted his bubble.
post #265 of 3184
Had a minor heart attack because I thought it was DOA. Hooked up speakers and plugged it in. Remote on would not turn it on, nor would the big switch on the left face. I fumbled around and got it on by pressing the small on or zone button, can't remember which. Guess it was set to zone 2 initially. Works fine. I used my Tivo series 3 learning remote to transfer the off/on, the volume up and down and the mute from the 2309 remote. Haven't used the auto setup yet.
post #266 of 3184
I changed out speaker wire and bi-wired the center and fronts -- everything sounds great now


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Originally Posted by SonicEndeavor View Post

Some basics to check:
a) Have you double checked your speaker connections to make sure they're not out of phase? (negative and postive reversed on one speaker). That can lead to a very thin sound.
b) Make sure the DSP effects modes are all turned off and try stereo mode.
post #267 of 3184
Quick question...
Aside from the remote and triple zone what else is the significant difference between the 2309 and the 2809?
post #268 of 3184
actually the 2309 to 2809 is a pretty big step up:

1. more power
2. more inputs (7 assignable video inputs instead of 5 on 2309) and more outputs
3. full pre-outs for all 7.1 channels (subwoofer only on 2309)
4. better processing - a second dedicated DSP chip allows for the higher resolution Audyssey MultEQ XT room calibration (instead of regular MultEQ) and AL24+ processing
5. better DAC's, ADC, etc. and some other little things that should theoretically make it sound a little better
6. better multizone support -- obviously you mentioned the 3rd zone capability, but it can also send digital PCM audio to zone 2/3 (analog only on 2309 and below) and has a 2nd zone video output (audio only on 2309 and below)

plus of course the remote which you mentioned

basically, if you have a complex set-up where you need maximum expandability (i.e. you'll actually use the pre-outs, 2nd/3rd zone, 6th and 7th video inputs, etc), the 2809 is the lowest level Denon AVR that can serve as a legitimate high-end pre/pro. Some folks say that each step up the ladder sounds a little better too, although it's very difficult to judge.
post #269 of 3184
I'm in my final stages of figuring out what AVR to replace my Pioneer Elite VSX-41, with. My speakers in the fronts are Speaker City "Wally's" and their HT Center. I believe they are 4 Ohm. I bought the outers a long time ago 1994 and simply forgot. I'll call them on Monday to confirm, their web site sux. The 41 has had no problem driving them and stays cool always, just gently warm. Will there be an issue with the 2309 from your guys experience?
Thanks and looking forward to the upgrade!
post #270 of 3184
Well thats quite a lot...
I am in the Market for a new receiver and the Denon seems to have caught my attention I was considering the Onkyo SR606 but I decided to spend a little bit more extra. For something better over all and not to mention better ergonomics.

But I dont think I need the features for the 2809 since I wont be using the pre-outs, my current receiver has it but never thought of using it. Great features though. However I am kinda tempted to get it cause of the remote lol

Thanks for the info! Grate to know...

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

actually the 2309 to 2809 is a pretty big step up:

1. more power
2. more inputs (7 assignable video inputs instead of 5 on 2309) and more outputs
3. full pre-outs for all 7.1 channels (subwoofer only on 2309)
4. better processing - a second dedicated DSP chip allows for the higher resolution Audyssey MultEQ XT room calibration (instead of regular MultEQ) and AL24+ processing
5. better DAC's, ADC, etc. and some other little things that should theoretically make it sound a little better
6. better multizone support -- obviously you mentioned the 3rd zone capability, but it can also send digital PCM audio to zone 2/3 (analog only on 2309 and below) and has a 2nd zone video output (audio only on 2309 and below)

plus of course the remote which you mentioned

basically, if you have a complex set-up where you need maximum expandability (i.e. you'll actually use the pre-outs, 2nd/3rd zone, 6th and 7th video inputs, etc), the 2809 is the lowest level Denon AVR that can serve as a legitimate high-end pre/pro. Some folks say that each step up the ladder sounds a little better too, although it's very difficult to judge.
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