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post #2821 of 3184
Are you not able to transmit audio over HDMI? Have you confirmed audio via optical is possible with an HDMI connection without a setting change in the HTPC? Try connecting the optical to another device to confirm you are actually getting audio from it.
post #2822 of 3184
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Originally Posted by knivey View Post

Yes I have the optical connection from the sound card assigned to the VCR source along with HDMI from the gts 450 assigned to the VCR source and I have the audio set as digital instead of auto or analog and I am still receiving no sound. In windows 7 under the sound properties it shows that the hto striker is working correctly and it is outputting digital audio. I can see the volume meter fluctuate while playing videos with audio and I can hear the audio fine from the sound card when I connect headphones directly to the card, but not when I connect the card to the 889 via optical toslink or digital coax.

Hi knivey, just curious do you have the Tv on? And is the receiver connected to the Tv via HDMI/DVI?
post #2823 of 3184
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Originally Posted by knivey View Post

Yes I have the optical connection from the sound card assigned to the VCR source along with HDMI from the gts 450 assigned to the VCR source and I have the audio set as digital instead of auto or analog and I am still receiving no sound. In windows 7 under the sound properties it shows that the hto striker is working correctly and it is outputting digital audio. I can see the volume meter fluctuate while playing videos with audio and I can hear the audio fine from the sound card when I connect headphones directly to the card, but not when I connect the card to the 889 via optical toslink or digital coax.

Forget about Toslink. Your GTS450 should be able to send audio via HDMI. Get latest drivers from NVidia. You should see TWO audio cards in Windows. One is your regular card and second - NVidia. Make your player to use NVidia audio card. Select HDMI as audio source in 889. Do not forget to disable HDMI audio pass-through in 889.
post #2824 of 3184
Greetings,

Is there a way to listen to mp3 files on the 2309ci when the tv is off? I looked into an Ipod doc from Denon and it sounds like they all require the tv to be on to view the song list. Once plugged into the AVR, you cannot control the ipod directly.

I have music files on the ps3, but obviously the tv needs to be on to play/view them.

What are the options that I'm clearly missing to play music files without turning on the ps3 or tv?

Thanks!
post #2825 of 3184
you don't need a dock to listen to an iPod, in fact all you need is 76 cents (plus shipping): http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #2826 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Cheeze View Post
Greetings,

Is there a way to listen to mp3 files on the 2309ci when the tv is off? I looked into an Ipod doc from Denon and it sounds like they all require the tv to be on to view the song list. Once plugged into the AVR, you cannot control the ipod directly.

I have music files on the ps3, but obviously the tv needs to be on to play/view them.

What are the options that I'm clearly missing to play music files without turning on the ps3 or tv?

Thanks!
You need something that has its own screen like this device http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speake...s/devices/5745

I my case (I have a receiver with two HDMI outputs), I bought 15" LCD TV, installed it in the rack and use it as monitor when I play music. You may try to use the similar solution by using composite video output. It should be enough to see receiver and dock menus.
post #2827 of 3184
Excellent - thanks guys! I have a DLP TV with a lamp. So I hate to turn on the TV to play audio files on my Denon. Those lamps can burn out too soon
post #2828 of 3184
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you should be able to use the VIDEO SELECT feature normally to combine TV video with audio from other (non HDMI) sources

So I was hoping to stream Pandora (xmas music ) via my Samsung Bluray player and watch Football games this coming Saturday for a party. I read the last couple pages and don't feel very confident I can with my setup, but wanted to double check with the pros.

My wiring setup is below:
--Bluray HDMI to Denon 2309 (dvd in)
--Cable Box HDMI or Component + optic (tv in - was trying the above recommendations with the component with no luck) to Denon
--Denon HDMI to tv (only option unless I bought new cable because I don't have a long enough component to go to tv.

So I was first testing with the Denon Tuner as the source and then using Video Select and went to TV in (using component) and couldn't ever get it to work. The tv just showed the channel the tuner was on.

I then tried streaming pandora (dvd source) and changing the Video Select to TV in and it would just keep showing the pandora menu.

For the party at least, getting the tuner with a xmas station and football at the same time would be enough, but ideally I would prefer pandora quality. Can anyone assist me in getting this setup? Thanks in advance!!
post #2829 of 3184
Was the HDMI cable disconnected from the cable box? Is the component cable correctly assigned to TV/CBL or connected to the COMP 3 input? Can you get the cable box to display by selecting the TV/CBL input?
post #2830 of 3184
as noted above (in the quote you posted) it does NOT work with HDMI sources! period!!

if the cable box is hooked up with component video (not HDMI) it should work fine with the tuner, but it still won't work with the BDP connected via HDMI.

the easiest approach would be to run an analog audio cable from the BDP to the same input to which the Cable box is assigned, and then switch input mode to "analog". For example, if the cable box is hooked up to "TV/CBL" input, run the analog audio from the BDP to the "TV/CBL" rca jacks (red/white) and you are good to go.
post #2831 of 3184
Thanks for both of your posts. The HDMI was disconnected when I tested. I would first say that all I know is its connected to the comp 3 input, but it DID work correctly when I picked the tv/cbl source, so I am assuming it is setup right. However, are there internal settings I need to change that might get the tuner / component cable box working?

I do have extra rca cables around and could set the dvd player up with those, but how badly will that affect the sound quality? When I play pandora through the dvd player with cinema or dts, it sounds really good.

Thanks for the quick replies!
post #2832 of 3184
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

as noted above (in the quote you posted) it does NOT work with HDMI sources! period!!

if the cable box is hooked up with component video (not HDMI) it should work fine with the tuner, but it still won't work with the BDP connected via HDMI.

the easiest approach would be to run an analog audio cable from the BDP to the same input to which the Cable box is assigned, and then switch input mode to "analog". For example, if the cable box is hooked up to "TV/CBL" input, run the analog audio from the BDP to the "TV/CBL" rca jacks (red/white) and you are good to go.

Is it possible to make these connections and then use "quick selects" to switch from normal cable box input to cable box with pandora?
post #2833 of 3184
There's no internal setting ... if it works when you select TV/CBL via the component cable, then it should also work when you have TUNER selected and you set the Video Select setting to TV/CBL. You may have to reset the microprocessor (p. 64) to get this to work correctly.

You can also use an optical cable from the DVD player assigned to the TV/CBL input and then change INPUT MODE to "Digital" when you want to listen to the DVD player audio.
post #2834 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Kamiape View Post

I would first say that all I know is its connected to the comp 3 input, but it DID work correctly when I picked the tv/cbl source, so I am assuming it is setup right.



Thanks for the quick replies!

Hi kamiape, there are five selectable video input source to view: DVD, HDP, TV/CBL, VCR and V.AUX
post #2835 of 3184
Excellent!!! Everything is working perfect! I have hdmi + opitcal out of the dvd player and component + opitcal out of the cable box and still just one hdmi to the tv.

Only problem is its going to cost me an optical cord (old school 360 still to setup), unless the rca cables have = quality of sound for the pandora streaming. But with the lack of 1080p from the cable box, I am perfectly fine with this setup.

I love to learn new things about my system, so thanks again everyone!
post #2836 of 3184
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Is it possible to make these connections and then use "quick selects" to switch from normal cable box input to cable box with pandora?

yes, absolutely, as Quick Selects memorize the "input mode" setting
post #2837 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Kamiape View Post

I do have extra rca cables around and could set the dvd player up with those, but how badly will that affect the sound quality?

it shouldn't really, a plain stereo signal should sound identical whether via analog or digital, but you can easily verify this yourself.

hook up BOTH the optical and analog cable (to the same input, e.g. "DVD") then put on a CD or play Pandora or whatever and press the "input mode" button to toggle between the two (analog vs. digital/auto). Let your ears decide

if you can enlist a friend/wife/girlfriend to be your assistant, you can even do it blind by having them switch the input mode while your eyes are closed and seeing if you can guess which mode you are in. This is a simple "blind" A/B test...
post #2838 of 3184
I'm stumped by a problem that my parents are having with their Denon AVR-889. They are not technically inclined so it falls so to me to try and fix this. When I set the machine up for them, it worked fine, and it worked fine for many months after that. Then something changed - no one knows what - and the Denon would give only picture and not sound at start up. The problem is easily fixed by restarting the Denon manually. Then everything is fine. They use a Logitech Harmony remote to start the system. I've tried changing the timing of the remote's signals, and gone into the labyrinth of the Denon's menus to no avail.

I'm not bad with these things most of the time but in this case I don't have a clear picture of what I'm looking for. My hunch is still that the remote's start signals are either too fast or too slow. Can anyone here advise me if this is a good place to start looking or am I barking up the wrong tree?
post #2839 of 3184
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Originally Posted by northwest View Post

I'm stumped by a problem that my parents are having with their Denon AVR-889. They are not technically inclined so it falls so to me to try and fix this. When I set the machine up for them, it worked fine, and it worked fine for many months after that. Then something changed - no one knows what - and the Denon would give only picture and not sound at start up. The problem is easily fixed by restarting the Denon manually. Then everything is fine. They use a Logitech Harmony remote to start the system. I've tried changing the timing of the remote's signals, and gone into the labyrinth of the Denon's menus to no avail.

I'm not bad with these things most of the time but in this case I don't have a clear picture of what I'm looking for. My hunch is still that the remote's start signals are either too fast or too slow. Can anyone here advise me if this is a good place to start looking or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Try posting this on the Harmony One thread, you may have better luck there.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=967841
post #2840 of 3184
Hi All,
In process of upgrading from my old Yamaha RX-V663. I bought an RX-V665 the other night from Best Buy (open box) but will be returning it. Its nowhere near the same build quality as the predecessor. Instead I bought an open box Denon AVR 2309ci last nite for 199 (reg. 600). The only thing is it doesn't have anything with it (remote, mic, manual, and its missing the lower right knob on panel). I use a Harmony remote so not worried about no remote. And having read some reviews of this unit and what they're still going for on ebay, even though its about 2 1/2 years old, the unit I picked up looks new except for the knob missing and is supposedly a great unit. I believe I can just get an Audyssey mic on ebay to help setup right? Most important thing to me is finding the lower right knob. Can anyone point me in the direction online of who is a supplier of replacement knobs, etc for Denon? I looked around and all I found was junk sites bringing me elsewhere that doesn't even relate. Thanks so much!
Dave

P.S. Anyone wanna sell their DM-A409 setup microphone which is supposedly the only one you can use? (just read this online, not sure why any mic can't be used).
post #2841 of 3184
Audyssey mics are specifically calibrated to work with a particular mfr's AVRs. Be leary of purchasing off of eBay as in many cases they are fakes (esp. when coming from overseas). The best place to check for replacement parts (including the mic) is from one of the Denon authorized parts distributors.
post #2842 of 3184
I dusted off my 889 to do a speaker review...thanks to all who contributed to help me program my Directv HD-DVR remote (RC65) to control my Sony TV and voume/power on DTV remote...I can put off buying a Harmony just a little longer now!
post #2843 of 3184
I have a Denon AVR-889 and ran the auto setup. Center channel isn't as loud as I'd like it. looked for a wany to manually increase the volume of just the center channel but couldn't find a way to do so. I did see how to change the distance of the main listening position from the center speaker - increasing this distance might increase the center channel volume? Seems like there should be a simple way to increase the center channel volume - appreciate any help - thanks!
post #2844 of 3184
^ Hi. Right out of the batpig guide:

Q: Can I change the volume of the speakers individually?

A: You can freely adjust channel levels "trims" for each speaker individually. For example, maybe you really like what Audyssey did but would like to bump up the center channel a little bit so I can hear the volume better. Or maybe you think the surrounds are too loud with Dynamic EQ engaged.

There are two ways to change the individual speaker volumes:

1. to change the speaker levels through the OSD/GUI menus using test tones, go into MANUAL SETUP > SPEAKER SETUP > CHANNEL LEVEL and cycle through the test tones and change whatever you want.

2. to change the speaker levels "on the fly" while watching program material, use the "CH LEVEL" or "CH SELECT" button on the remote to cycle through the various speaker channels and then you can bump them up/down as needed. For example, if you find the dialogue is too low, you can just bump up the center a bit.

With either method, these new channel levels will take effect and override what was set by Audyssey during Auto Setup. To revert to the speaker volumes that Audyssey measured, go to AUTO SETUP > PARAMETER CHECK and hit "RESTORE". This will reset all speaker parameters to how they looked right after Auto Setup.
post #2845 of 3184
I have a Denon AVR 2309 CI with hdmi video dropout problems. It's connected to a sony XBR4. I would like to see if and upgraded firmware version might fix the problem. The firmware version in my AVR 2309 is: Main Ver 00.87
Sub Ver 00.29. Does anyone know where a might find a newer version along with the installation instructions
post #2846 of 3184
Likely not as the only firmware update was for an iPod video issue. However, if you'd like to give it a try, PM me with a non-gmail email address and I'll forward it to you. If you are having video drop issues with a cable or sat box, these are quite common and will require you to connect HDMI directly to the TV with optical from the box to the AVR or connect component and optical from the box to the AVR. Also note that XBR4's were notorius for not playing well with the older Denon AVRs.
post #2847 of 3184
Hi All,
Just picked up a Denon open box AVR-2309ci at Best Buy for $200 (great deal I think for a Denon). Got it all set up using the Audessey mic. I haven't had a chance to thoroughly read the entire manual yet (tons of settings, etc.) but I have done the manual setup to rename inputs and change some other non-speaker preference settings. I've been watching "The Pacific" on blu-ray and it sounds awesome, but this movie as most blu-rays are only encoded in 5.1 to my knowledge. On my old Yamaha RX-V663, I believe I was able to set up somewhere so that the rear / back surrounds also outputted the side surrounds (or somehow emulated from somewhere since I did hear sound coming from them on 5.1 movies). Is there a way to set the Denon up to do this? Or what is your suggestion as far as NOT doing this on 5.1 movies? Do most people have 5.1 movies set up to just do the standard 5.1 speaker setting or also tie in the back surrounds. It is my understanding that very few blu-rays are encoded in 7.1 (I have Toy Story 3 which I believe is but haven't tried that one yet). Is it true that all new movies in the Blu-Ray 3D format are in 7.1. Thanks in advance for any input. It will take me some time to get all settings to my liking, for now I just used the audessey mic setup under "auto setup" and it seems to have set my speaker distances satisfactory since it sounds good.
Dave
post #2848 of 3184
^ As long as you got test tones through the rear speakers while doing the AUTO SETUP procedure, then press the button on the back of the remote to enable the DD PLIIx - Cinema surround mode (p. 45). You may also have to adjust the SB CH Out setting (p. 48). If you are using a dedicated sub, reset any speakers set to LARGE after AUTO SETUP to SMALL with a 60hz or 80hz minimum crossover.
post #2849 of 3184
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^ As long as you got test tones through the rear speakers while doing the AUTO SETUP procedure, then press the button on the back of the remote to enable the DD PLIIx - Cinema surround mode (p. 45). You may also have to adjust the SB CH Out setting (p. 48). If you are using a dedicated sub, reset any speakers set to LARGE after AUTO SETUP to SMALL with a 60hz or 80hz minimum crossover.

I didn't get either remote with the open box buy (both missing). I use my Harmony on the Denon. Don't know how to get the STD setting without the remote. I did most settings using the function knobs on the Denon. I definitely got test tones from all 7 speakers from 6 different sitting positions. I use two powered subs and a Buttkicker. I believe that Audyssey set up most of my speakers as SMALL but I think the sub may be set as SUB + Main (have to check). You say set ALL my speakers to SMALL (even my towers) and then change the crossover setting? Thanx for the help. Appreciate it.
post #2850 of 3184
You should also be able to use the
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