*Official* Denon AVR 2309CI/889 Thread - Page 105

And just to be clear, I've tried every other button on the back, from Blu-Ray to XM to Cable, etc., and all change to that source on the display.

Just found this little "Note" on page 7 of an online manual for this Denon:


NOTE
The DTU and PHONO buttons cannot be used.


No explanation and no other phono related notes or references in the entire manual. Yet it has phono jacks. Is Denon out to get me to lose my mind?

It could be the type cartridge being used as p. 11 clearly shows a turntable connection.

What jds said is basically true... there is no built in pre-amp... the Phone Input is basically for a ceramic or moving magnet cartridge which has an "adequate" output for the sensitivity of the receiver. However, I don't believe there was any "intent" to take an input from a "normal high end" turntable AND corresponding "highend moving coil" cartridge... which is what I assume has been installed in this nice turntable... :-) I think your only way around this is an external phono preamp module.
Edited by budwich - 2/27/13 at 8:11pm

Did you switch the Denon to the Phono input?

There's additional information about that turntable here.

I recommend the ART USB Phono Plus if you need a pre-amp. I use it with my Denon 2312ci and it works great.

It's a Ortofon 2M Red magnetic cartridge. So I'm guessing this is the type that wouldn't work?

The only way I could see to change it to Phono input was with the back of the remote, and as I said above that button doesn't work. Is there another way?

Thanks. I'll look into that if I have to go that route.

Use the selector knob on the front of the receiver. If you don't have the manual for your AVR you can download one from Denon's website.

Yeah, we spent a lot of time turning that knob and at no point does Phono pop up. So even if we get a pre-amp, we still have that problem. We go to the menu as the manual says, looking through the Input Setup and just like the knob, no Phono shows up. We see Cable, Tuner, XM, BluRay and HDP, but no other choices. A great mystery.

To add: the reason I thought I needed to understand the remote better was because neither the Source Select knob, nor the menu showed an option for a Phono. I was presuming that I needed to tweak something to allow an option to access or add Phono to the Source Select knob.

So even if it's the cartridge or pre-amp I still need to find a way to access Phono on the Source Selector knob at some point, I imagine?

Anyway, my daughter is a rare breed. She's a teenager who loves the Beatles, and has a collection of Beatles' LPs she's dying to hear. So thanks for your patience and help. Hopefully someone has the bottom line answer for us.

Did you check if the PHONO input has been deleted in the Source Delete menu? It doesn't make sense that it wouldn't come up when you turn the knob otherwise.

Sorry to be so slow with this stuff, but how do I check that? I guess I should ask; where is the Source Delete Menu?

Batpig, dude, you're a genius. I figured out where the Source Delete thingamagingy was, and undeleted it. Presto, it worked.

Thanks, BP, and thanks everyone else for all your help! My daughter is already listening to some Abby Road before bedtime. You guys are definitely one of the best groups of Forum users out there.

My Phono works just like smoothie described. Since it is a "new" remote and the 2313 does not have phono, Is it possible you have a remote for a higher level of AVR's and could the pronto codes be different.
Since the AVR does not respond to the command to change to phono I suggest you get help from Logi

Before you respond to a post, you should read all the follow-up posts... because the issue has already been solved

DUH! sorry

I have a Denon 889, and have set up Audyssey. I want to use Dynamic EQ, and because I mostly watch TV, I want to change the offset to 10 dB which is what I've read is recommended for TV content. However, my Denon doesn't have a way for me to change the Dynamic EQ reference level offset. Is there a workaround that I can use? Thanks.

Hi ml248, the 889 doesn't have reference level offset setting but you can accomplish the same thing by using the source level found under "Input Setup" menu.

Correct, as the "Reference Level Offset" feature wasn't added until the following year with the XX10/X90 models. To add to JChin's suggestion, use the Source Level setting for the cable/sat box and set it to -10db which will require you to raise the master volume for 10db higher and thereby reduce the impact of Dyn EQ.

JChin/jdsmoothie, Thanks for the help.

When speakers are all set to small, should not the AVR be always set to LFE+Mains? I agree that usually it makes no diffeence. However when listening in 'pure' mode and the AVR is set to LFE, the sub is not used. Generally the crossover for 'small' speakers is too high which means that without the sub in 'pure' mode the sound will lack sufficient base. However setting the AVR to LFE+Mains, everything below the crossovers are sent to the sub even in 'pure' mode.

Yes, that is correct if you want the sub to fire in PURE mode; however, most will prefer to use Audyssey and therefore PURE or DIRECT modes would never be used. One note of interest ... Denon does default the sub setting on the non Audyssey models (1513/E200) to "LFE + Main".