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post #451 of 3184
NOTE: Not a Pricing / Purchasing Post. Feature / Option Help Quest!

Well it's been 2 nights and I did do the auto setup for 3 positions and will redo with 6 soon.

I like it so far but everything seems a bit bassy.

I've really been reading the manual and while it has all the features, points, options it sometimes doesnt' completely relate what / how the option affects things.

My question is about the EX. In Sub Level (or something like that). It can be set to: 0, +5, +10, +15 dB. Only thing is the default is +15 dB. My instinct is to put it at 0 but I want to have the system setup roughly "Flat" (well I use the Audeyessy MultiEQ not the FLAt but you get the point). Plus it doesn't say what the EX. In Sub Level affects (when does that "adjustment" increase get applied?).

I'm coming from a PioElite with only a small fraction of the settings and it was much simplier to know you have an equalized roughly flat (speaker sound levels). I just want to get back to that starting point again.
post #452 of 3184
Another odd thing is that if I turn off Video Upconversion I no longer can get the video signal through HDMI to the display. That's with running components from the cable box to the avr.
post #453 of 3184
With my new CC 889 hooked up to a Comcast DTC3416I cable box via HDMI and the 889 out to a KDL40W3000 LCD TV via HDMI, I get occasional dropouts where the TV appears to not be getting any signal. It is very annoying because i loose about 30 seconds of dialogue. I have had no such problem over the past 10 months with the cable box going directly to the TV. Has anybody else seen this happen?
post #454 of 3184
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Originally Posted by HSNEWMAN View Post

With my new CC 889 hooked up to a Comcast DTC3416I cable box via HDMI and the 889 out to a KDL40W3000 LCD TV via HDMI, I get occasional dropouts where the TV appears to not be getting any signal. It is very annoying because i loose about 30 seconds of dialogue. I have had no such problem over the past 10 months with the cable box going directly to the TV. Has anybody else seen this happen?

Did you reboot the cable box after hooking it up to the 889? I was getting video and audio dropouts consistently after plugging my 8300HD in via HDMI, but it went away after a reboot of the box. I decided against sticking with HDMI however due to some weird error that I was getting every time I switched away from the Cable Box input on the receiver.
post #455 of 3184
A just picked up one these receivers and have a few questions for those who have bi-wire their mains.

- If I bi-wire my mains would I be loosing the chance to add a 2 zone?
- Can I bi-wire by just using the speaker b slots?

Any suggestions on how can I bi-wire my mains without loosing a 2 zone are welcome.

Best,
post #456 of 3184
Connections were made with cable box, TV, 889 and HTPC power off at the power strip.
post #457 of 3184
For those in LA, I was able to find the $499 price at CC Hollywood last night. They didn't allow me any additional discounts but I took it and ran.
post #458 of 3184
gigimonagas -

The answer is simple. Do not bi-wire, problem solved.

I don't mean to be flip here, but it's the truth. While there remains a few stubborn holdouts in the audiophile world, for the most part, bi-wiring is generally acknowledged to be ineffective. Neither the legitimate science nor the countless blind listening testing supports there being any audible difference gained from the practice.

Sighted tests, yes, people can hear differences, but that method is rife with psycho-acoustical error, not to mention other confounding factors which interfere with making impartial listening judgments that would reveal the sobering truth about the inaudibility of bi-wiring in practice. Speaker manufacturers design to allow for bi-wiring only because there is still enough of a market for it, and after all, they are in the business of pleasing as many customers as possible, just as long as it doesn't significantly alter their design goals. Adding another set of posts does not.
post #459 of 3184
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

gigimonagas -

The answer is simple. Do not bi-wire, problem solved.

I don't mean to be flip here, but it's the truth. While there remains a few stubborn holdouts in the audiophile world, for the most part, bi-wiring is generally acknowledged to be ineffective. Neither the legitimate science nor the countless blind listening testing supports there being any audible difference gained from the practice.

Sighted tests, yes, people can hear differences, but that method is rife with psycho-acoustical error, not to mention other confounding factors which interfere with making impartial listening judgments that would reveal the sobering truth about the inaudibility of bi-wiring in practice. Speaker manufacturers design to allow for bi-wiring only because there is still enough of a market for it, and after all, they are in the business of pleasing as many customers as possible, just as long as it doesn't significantly alter their design goals. Adding another set of posts does not.

Many thanks,

I think I was referring to bi-amp, which is different from bi-wire.

- Can I still bi-wire the mains bi running two separates cables and then join them together to the same terminal?

Thanks again,
post #460 of 3184
Try this 10% off coupon on the Circuit City website
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/gener...tore%20coupons
post #461 of 3184
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Originally Posted by gigimonagas View Post

Many thanks,

I think I was referring to bi-amp, which is different from bi-wire.

oh, ok. nevermind then.
post #462 of 3184
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Originally Posted by enkur View Post

Try this 10% off coupon on the Circuit City website
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/gener...tore%20coupons

Hmm, it says 10% off with the purchase of a tv.
post #463 of 3184
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Originally Posted by HSNEWMAN View Post

With my new CC 889 hooked up to a Comcast DTC3416I cable box via HDMI and the 889 out to a KDL40W3000 LCD TV via HDMI, I get occasional dropouts where the TV appears to not be getting any signal. It is very annoying because i loose about 30 seconds of dialogue. I have had no such problem over the past 10 months with the cable box going directly to the TV. Has anybody else seen this happen?

Please note that 2008 Denon recievers have a known issue (see the 3808 threads) with Audio/Video dropouts between the AVR to TV via HDMI that is more prodominate with Sony TVs.

It is/was unknown how the 2009 Denon's will fair with this issue. I have a XBR4 that I've just hooked a 2309 up to. I've got 30 days to see if this issue arrises (2 nights in and it's been ok so far).

Please keep posting with any such issues. Thanks

BTW Anyone got information about my earlier Bass question and the Ext. In Sub level adjustment option?
post #464 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Beaker1024 View Post

NOTE: Not a Pricing / Purchasing Post. Feature / Option Help Quest!

Well it's been 2 nights and I did do the auto setup for 3 positions and will redo with 6 soon.

I like it so far but everything seems a bit bassy.

I've really been reading the manual and while it has all the features, points, options it sometimes doesnt' completely relate what / how the option affects things.

My question is about the EX. In Sub Level (or something like that). It can be set to: 0, +5, +10, +15 dB. Only thing is the default is +15 dB. My instinct is to put it at 0 but I want to have the system setup roughly "Flat" (well I use the Audeyessy MultiEQ not the FLAt but you get the point). Plus it doesn't say what the EX. In Sub Level affects (when does that "adjustment" increase get applied?).

I'm coming from a PioElite with only a small fraction of the settings and it was much simplier to know you have an equalized roughly flat (speaker sound levels). I just want to get back to that starting point again.

If you have connected your sub to the SW preout, then the EX. In sub level value is moot and is not affecting your sub configuration in any way.
post #465 of 3184
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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

If you have connected your sub to the SW preout, then the EX. In sub level value is moot and is not affecting your sub configuration in any way.

Thanks. Yes I have the Sub connected the "Pre-Out" RCA connection. So that means all this extra bass is what Audessay believes is right for having equal SPL from all speakers.

The only things I changed after the Auto tune is the crossover settings on the individual speakers settings. I left them all still at "Small" but moved the crossover for the fronts down from 100hz to 80hz (they are rated at 75hz front speakers and I don't want 100hz into the sub due to localization issues). I've only had a reciever with one main crossover setting period and have enjoyed that set to 80hz.

Any further thoughts on the crossover network settings (is there more than that one place for the crossover settings that interact?) or about the bass output setup?
post #466 of 3184
I just walked into my local CC here in So Cal and they had an 889 on display with the $499 sale price on the sign, so I bought one and had no problem using the AAA discount. They didn't have one in stock, but they've got 95 in the local warehouse so I'll get it in the next couple of days.
Thanks for the tip!
post #467 of 3184
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for the CC tip, walked in today and had an 889 special ordered for the 499 price. The salesman was floored when he pulled it up, could'nt believe it! As a matter of fact, he said he was going to be calling his buddies to tell them about the deal! Anyway this thread saved me some coin, and I'm grateful! My next post will probably start with...."I've got it hooked up why can't I hear.......
post #468 of 3184
Ok, I think I've got everything figured out.

I hooked a speaker up to the amp and it outputs sound just fine. I called Denon tech and they said the unit will output HDMI audio via the HDMI output directly to the TV, but will not convert analog/optical audio to HDMI and output that to the TV speakers. Also it will not allow you to have upconversion off if your video source is connected via an analog input.

Everything else seems to be working fine except for my DVR recording of the debate last night and Survivor Gabon. Also right now I am getting no sound from my CBS HD station, but every other station works. Very odd.
post #469 of 3184
CC in Concord, CA, I special ordered the 889 today (they said could take 2 weeks); I went to the customer service desk to order it (they don't have any on display) and it just popped up the $499 price, no problem. Many thanks to the OP.
post #470 of 3184
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Originally Posted by sahmen View Post

Since no-one has bothered to address the question, let me rephrase it:

Just how important is the "Made in China" vs "Made in Japan" difference when we are talking about the same authentic Denon technology? Is there really something tangible that will weaken or corrupt that technology in China but not in Japan? It seems to me like saying a Toyota or Honda assembled in Japan is superior to one assembled by the same Toyota factory in say New Jersey, or Canada... But just how does one prove such a claim? What is the evidence to support it? Without any proof, it sounds simply like an empty "feel good" myth without any basis in fact that one may repeat out of long habit... But that is not the kind of info one looks for in a *Science* forum... especially when it might actually degrade unnecessarily what appears to be an excellent piece of equipment like the 1909...

Of course it is important. The Chinese model adds Melamine in order to artificially boost the audio quality.

Made in China=GARBAGE!
post #471 of 3184
Has anyone gotten the master volume to display on the TV? I have the setting set to 'On' but nothing displays.
post #472 of 3184
I believe it only shows on screen volume for hon-hdmi output.
post #473 of 3184
I bought samsung 52a650 tv. then I ordered 889 for $499 - 10% - $100(gift card one-day deal at my local CC when purchae a tv). so AVR 889 costed me around $380 (including tax). the TV is on a separate receipt so that I can use $100 giftcard on the receiver. I did not pick up the TV yet but I think I will return the TV and keep the receiver.
post #474 of 3184
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

I bought samsung 52a650 tv. then I ordered 889 for $499 - 10% - $100(gift card one-day deal at my local CC when purchae a tv). so AVR 889 costed me around $380 (including tax). the TV is on a separate receipt so that I can use $100 giftcard on the receiver. I did not pick up the TV yet but I think I will return the TV and keep the receiver.

If the $100 gift card was given to you for buying the TV, then they will want that back or remove that amount from the refund.

If they didn't do this you could walk in anytime, buy a TV, get a $100 gift card and then return the TV and have a free $100 gift card.
I believe the 10% off coupon you used was also only when buying with a TV, so they may ask for that back also, but if it's on a seperate receipt you may get away with that portion.
post #475 of 3184
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Originally Posted by H60Ace View Post

Of course it is important. The Chinese model adds Melamine in order to artificially boost the audio quality.

Made in China=GARBAGE!

Not to beat a dead horse, but one has to be fair with these evaluations: the bottom line is this: is this "artificial melamine boost" a verified and documented weakness of the 1909?

If it is, then I think the fans of the 1909 need to know it, and adjust their expectations accordingly. If not, then it is simply neither fair nor helpful to give it a bad rap just because it is "made in China."

I personally don't mind either way because I did not choose the 1909. It did not have some features that I consider essential in a receiver, but many others on these Denon threads liked it and thought they were getting a great machine. I think they deserve to be set straight...
post #476 of 3184
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Originally Posted by Vaggeto View Post

If the $100 gift card was given to you for buying the TV, then they will want that back or remove that amount from the refund.

If they didn't do this you could walk in anytime, buy a TV, get a $100 gift card and then return the TV and have a free $100 gift card.
I believe the 10% off coupon you used was also only when buying with a TV, so they may ask for that back also, but if it's on a seperate receipt you may get away with that portion.


on the TV receipt, there is nothing mention about $100 gift card. after I bought the tv, the CC guy walked me out to a Bus parking outside and showed the receipt and got the gift card. this card is some kind of local music even.

On the receipt, I don't find any mention about this giftcard. I only see 10% discount. if I return the TV, how do they know that I bought a receiver 889 using a gift card and 10% discount?

btw, since I didnot pick the tv yet, can I cancel the purchase at a different store?
post #477 of 3184
Hello,

I just purchased Denon's avr-889 over the Onkyo 606, all I really want to know is... How well does this receiver perform and is it up to the supposed specs of Denon? Also is this a better performing receiver than the Onkyo 606, cost and bells and whistles aside will it have less glitches? Thanks in advance!!


John M.
post #478 of 3184
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Originally Posted by jmaccool View Post

Hello,

I just purchased Denon's avr-889 over the Onkyo 606, all I really want to know is... How well does this receiver perform and is it up to the supposed specs of Denon? Also is this a better performing receiver than the Onkyo 606, cost and bells and whistles aside will it have less glitches? Thanks in advance!!


John M.

I admit that I am biased, but I can tell you without any hesitation or misgivings that the Denon is a better receiver in general, and also delivers everything it promises. The Onkyo is known to be buggy, and also runs too hot, so don't get it unless you need a receiver that can also double as a toaster for your breakfast bread
post #479 of 3184
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Originally Posted by sahmen View Post

I admit that I am biased, but I can tell you without any hesitation or misgivings that the Denon is a better receiver in general, and also delivers everything it promises. The Onkyo is known to be buggy, and also runs too hot, so don't get it unless you need a receiver that can also double as a toaster for your breakfast bread

As I stated earlier, the CC guy was cooking his lunch (omlette I think) on the 606 when I went in to see it. Yes it runs that HOT. I can't believe how popular an amp it is!? Especially in Alaska!
post #480 of 3184
I am having a problem with setup.
I have the following connected to the AVR889:
DVD player - no video input - audio to digital coax DVD
PS3 - HDMI input 4 VAUX
TIVO - HDMI input 2 HDP, SVideo to HDP, and analog audio to HDP
Sony HD DVR - HDMI input 3 VCR, Svideo to VCR(ipod), and analog audio to VCR(ipod)

I have an S-Video cable connected to the MONITOR OUT and analog audio cables connected to VCR OUT. These cables run to a secondary TV in the kitchen.
My primary display is connected via HDMI MONITOR OUT.
Everything works OK until i attempt to watch TV in the kitchen. I select HDP for the TIVO and it works....I get audio and video in the Kitchen and on the primary display.
I select VCR and i get video on kitchen TV and primary display. Audio is not being output to the kitchen. Audio is coming from the receivers speakers. It is not the sony as the analog outputs are always on...i had this connected directly to the Kitchen TV before the AVR889.
any thoughts?

EDIT:
I got it to work. I changed the Sony output to the TV/CBL analog inputs and kept the HDMI on the VCR input.
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