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post #901 of 3148
12/14/08 at 1:09pm
I'm playing PS3 games using HDMI connected to the amp. When I'm playing games, it says "MULTI CH IN". The game that I'm playing supports DD. Should DOLBY PLIIx or DD be displayed? All 5 speakers are showing up on the left side of the display on the amp. When I hit display, my tv screen goes blank and it does show Dolby PLIIx Cinema on the amp. Then my tv shows the game again and the amp display goes back to "MULTI CH IN". Is the supposed to be happening? I did a custom setup for audio and only chose 5.1 DD. Then DD is displayed when playing PS3 games.

I noticed this when playing Blue Ray movies too. I can't seem to get the amp to display MULTI IN + PL IIx CINEMA, all I get it "MULTI CH IN" or "MULTI CH IN DIRECT". Is this the way it should be?

Will the HD Audio light ever come on when watching Blu Rays on the PS3? Mine never comes on either.
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post #902 of 3148
12/14/08 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by paintbrush1 View Post

I ran the audyssey setup on my 2309 and have been tweeking a little bit just wondering what anyone suggest on how to get more mid and a little more highs.

Maybe try the AudysseyFlat setting (with the MultiEQ button).

I think the default setting reduces the highs a little, but the flat tries to equalize the levels across all frequency bands.
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post #903 of 3148
12/14/08 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by mixman88 View Post

I'm playing PS3 games using HDMI connected to the amp. When I'm playing games, it says "MULTI CH IN". The game that I'm playing supports DD. Should DOLBY PLIIx or DD be displayed? All 5 speakers are showing up on the left side of the display on the amp. When I hit display, my tv screen goes blank and it does show Dolby PLIIx Cinema on the amp. Then my tv shows the game again and the amp display goes back to "MULTI CH IN". Is the supposed to be happening? I did a custom setup for audio and only chose 5.1 DD. Then DD is displayed when playing PS3 games.

I noticed this when playing Blue Ray movies too. I can't seem to get the amp to display MULTI IN + PL IIx CINEMA, all I get it "MULTI CH IN" or "MULTI CH IN DIRECT". Is this the way it should be?

Will the HD Audio light ever come on when watching Blu Rays on the PS3? Mine never comes on either.

Read the first post.
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post #904 of 3148
12/14/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by fakeplasticdream View Post

Read the first post.

Mixman,
He meant to say, please read the first post in the 1909 thread as there is a lot of general information there that will answer your questions.
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post #905 of 3148
12/14/08 at 4:53pm
That didn't help any other ideas? Is dynamic eq/volume or zone 2 control turned on make a differance? Why do i have to turn the volume up so high to get a good volume compared to my old receivers? I feel like i don't have something turned on right. the bass,surrounds,center,and main all sound good but the highs and mid are weak like fight scenes i want them to make me feel like im being hit. Help please i know this receiver capable to acheive that.
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post #906 of 3148
12/14/08 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Mixman,
He meant to say, please read the first post in the 1909 thread as there is a lot of general information there that will answer your questions.

Whoops, didn't even realize i was in the 2309 thread, not the 1909 thread. Sorry.
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post #907 of 3148
12/14/08 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by paintbrush1 View Post

That didn't help any other ideas? Is dynamic eq/volume or zone 2 control turned on make a differance? Why do i have to turn the volume up so high to get a good volume compared to my old receivers? I feel like i don't have something turned on right. the bass,surrounds,center,and main all sound good but the highs and mid are weak like fight scenes i want them to make me feel like im being hit. Help please i know this receiver capable to acheive that.

If you tell us more details about your system, how you did setup and any changes you've made from auto setup we may be able to help with the mid/high issues.
BTW iis common experience that with DynVol you will likely be cranking the Vol knob up.
Edit-i just saw your first post so you have given some info but maybe more details like what speakers/sub you're using, what's on Zone 2, etc??
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post #908 of 3148
12/15/08 at 5:29am
My speakers are klispch synergy sc-1,sf-1,ss-1,rear center and velodyne 12" sub with denon 2309 receiver. Nothing is on zone two at this time. No changes were done to auto setup except setup was done with 7.1 setup instead of 5.1 because i have a 6.1 setup and the center was turned up from -8.5 to -5.0db. Don't get me wrong the system sounds great but things in movies like clapping,fighting and crash sceans just don't have that punch, there hard to hear if i turn the center up it helps but i don't want turn turn it up to high because the voices become to loud. Hopefully that is enough info. Thanks for your help i'll turn the dynamic eq off during movies i assume leave it on with tv programming.
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post #909 of 3148
12/15/08 at 9:04am
you may want to try and re-run audyssey. did you make sure to use a tripod? and use all 6 positions? did you make sure the height of the microphone was at ear level, and that it was stable with no reflections nearby (i.e. right in front of the couch cushion or right next to a wall)?

also, one thing may be that Klipsch's are known to be very "bright" with their horn tweeters, and you just have grown used to their particular sound. now, Audyssey is taming the highs to give a flat response, and you are just not used to it.

Assuming you did everything right with Audyssey, try the "FLAT" curve which gets rid of the high freq. rolloff. And then, give yourself a couple of weeks and see if you get used to the sound.

Don't worry about what the volume level is, you can't compare that across different receivers.
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post #910 of 3148
12/15/08 at 9:43am
Ok thanks i'll give it a try i'm sure part of the problem is the christmas tree in the living room doesn't help so i'll try the setup again after the tree is gone. and i'll put the audessy to flat. Do you know what the high pass filter switch on my sub sould be set on 80hz or 100hz i've seen alot of threads on low pass and i followed those setups but not sure what high pass should be set on. Thanks for the help
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post #911 of 3148
12/15/08 at 10:18am
the LFE setting for the sub is generally recommended to be at 120Hz -- note that this is not a "crossover" per se, it doesn't have anything to do with the bass management for your speakers, it just puts a "cap" on the upper limit of LFE frequences. there is so little LFE content above 80Hz anyway that you probably would never hear the difference if it was at 100 or 110 or 120....
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post #912 of 3148
12/15/08 at 1:57pm
I unpacked the 2309 and was surprised that the Volume Knob on the receiver was plastic or very thin Aluminum. My previous Denon (1803) and my Onyko 705 have a more robust metal knob. Is this a cost cutting measure or does Denon assume everyone uses a remote?
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post #913 of 3148
12/15/08 at 2:13pm
welcome to value engineering and "made in china" production. manufacturers will always cut corners on little "build quality" things to pack more features in as time marches on and competition gets more fierce. who uses the volume knob anyway?
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post #914 of 3148
12/15/08 at 2:40pm
Mate, I thought you should know all Denon from 2309 and up are made in Japan, unless you are getting stock from a different Denon

Cheers


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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

welcome to value engineering and "made in china" production. manufacturers will always cut corners on little "build quality" things to pack more features in as time marches on and competition gets more fierce. who uses the volume knob anyway?
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post #915 of 3148
12/15/08 at 2:42pm
well, honestly, same difference.... the "value engineering" is going to pervade all types of large-scale consumer manufacturing these days.
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post #916 of 3148
12/16/08 at 5:55am
I'm sold on the 2309; but I've an issue.

This has one unamped out for the sub. Without a clever fix, I need two. My ratty old Sony had two; I'm surprised this one doesn't.

I've an Outlaw LFM-2; no LFE output on it. I've also got a Buttkicker; no LFE out on that either.

Does anybody have a quick fix to get two unamped SW signals out of this AVR?
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post #917 of 3148
12/16/08 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by colossus View Post

I'm sold on the 2309; but I've an issue.

This has one unamped out for the sub. Without a clever fix, I need two. My ratty old Sony had two; I'm surprised this one doesn't.

I've an Outlaw LFM-2; no LFE output on it. I've also got a Buttkicker; no LFE out on that either.

Does anybody have a quick fix to get two unamped SW signals out of this AVR?

Just split the output with an RCA Y adapter.
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post #918 of 3148
12/16/08 at 9:52am
Hi all,

I have a couple of questions on my new 2309 but first off let me tell you (what you already know!!) how amazed I am at the difference in sound this Audissey gizmo makes. My old amp was a Denon 3200 circa 1998. Everything else remained the same (speakers and location) and the sound coming out of the 2309 is night and day compared to what I thought was "nice, clean, blanced sound". Wow!

OK, back to the reason of this post:

Question 1:
I have the single HDMI connection to my TV and five audio-video input sources; Bluray player, DVD megachanger, DirecTV, PC, and Wii. All are connected via HDMI except for the Wii console, which is Component video and analog sound.
The question is the following, I could not connect my old VCR (RCA connections) because of lack of video input sources on the 2309. The only inputs left are audio only ("CD" and "CDR/TAPE"). Does this means that the 2309 can only handle five video sources?? Or am I doing the setup wrong?

Question 2:
Is there a way to temporarily display on the TV screen the Audissey settings and volume levels when you change them? ("Text" and "Master Volume" are set to "ON" on the "On-Screen Display" menu item under "Option Setup").

I hate that every time I change Audissey settings (specifically the Dinamic volume) I have to get up and check the small display on the Denon.

thanks for your help.
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post #919 of 3148
12/16/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by GeorgeE View Post

Hi all,

I have a couple of questions on my new 2309 but first off let me tell you (what you already know!!) how amazed I am at the difference in sound this Audissey gizmo makes. My old amp was a Denon 3200 circa 1998. Everything else remained the same (speakers and location) and the sound coming out of the 2309 is night and day compared to what I thought was "nice, clean, blanced sound". Wow!

OK, back to the reason of this post:

Question 1:
I have the single HDMI connection to my TV and five audio-video input sources; Bluray player, DVD megachanger, DirecTV, PC, and Wii. All are connected via HDMI except for the Wii console, which is Component video and analog sound.
The question is the following, I could not connect my old VCR (RCA connections) because of lack of video input sources on the 2309. The only inputs left are audio only ("CD" and "CDR/TAPE"). Does this means that the 2309 can only handle five video sources?? Or am I doing the setup wrong?

Question 2:
Is there a way to temporarily display on the TV screen the Audissey settings and volume levels when you change them? ("Text" and "Master Volume" are set to "ON" on the "On-Screen Display" menu item under "Option Setup").

I hate that every time I change Audissey settings (specifically the Dinamic volume) I have to get up and check the small display on the Denon.

thanks for your help.

Question one, I can answer. You can plug more than one device into one receiver input providing the connector is different. For example, you can plug two DVD players into the DVD input, one with HDMI and one with component. The 2309 will pass which ever one is turned on. I just read that in the review of the 2309 at Secrets of Home Theater. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/proce...-receiver.html
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post #920 of 3148
12/16/08 at 12:03pm
Q1 - as tmauceri points out, you have five unique VIDEO SOURCE NAMES, but you are not limited to five actual inputs. You can "stack" inputs with the same "name" using different connection types. The Denon will automatically default to the highest priority video that is active - HDMI highest, then component, s-video, composite.

So, for example, you could plug the BDP into the HDMI1, and the DVD changer into Component-1, and assign both HDMI1 and Component1 to the "DVD" input. Then you could rename it "DVD/BDP" or something like that and it would use whichever was on.

Or, if you want to keep both BDP and DVD on HDMI (assuming you assign the BDP to "HDP" and the DVD player to "DVD"), you can plug the VCR into the RCA inputs labeled "DVD", and just rename the DVD input to something like "DVD/VCR". So when you switch to that input, the label on the display will say "DVD/VCR", and if the DVD player is on it will default to the HDMI, and if the DVD player is off it will take the signal from the VCR.

Q2 - there is no OSD overlay unless the source is composite/s-video. However, you can call up the PARAMETERS menu (the screen will blank out and the white-text-on-black-background GUI will appear) and go into the AUDYSSEY parameters sub-menu and make your changes there.
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post #921 of 3148
12/16/08 at 1:15pm
How do you store speaker level settings i've turned up my center speaker and and the following day its changes back to the original audessy setting?
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post #922 of 3148
12/16/08 at 3:15pm
It should work, is Auto Surround turned to "ON"?

You should know that it stores speaker levels by surround mode, so if you turned up the center channel while using DOLBY DIGITAL it would not be turned up for, say, 5 CH STEREO.
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post #923 of 3148
12/17/08 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Keyhole View Post

I called Denon tech and they said the unit will output HDMI audio via the HDMI output directly to the TV, but will not convert analog/optical audio to HDMI and output that to the TV speakers. Also it will not allow you to have upconversion off if your video source is connected via an analog input.

This sounds like this receiver can not mix an HDMI video signal with another audio source such as optical. Is this right? This is possible to do on some Pioneer receivers by going into the settings from what I read.
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post #924 of 3148
12/17/08 at 9:51am
The quote you quoted was discussing taking an audio source input and then OUTPUTTING over the HDMI cable to the TV. The receiver will not "pass through" non-HDMI audio to the monitor output via the HDMI cable.

What you are talking about is mixing two INPUT sources, and yes you can do this. Let's say on your DVD input, you want to use HDMI for video but optical for audio. You plug in your HDMI cable into "HDMI-1", your optical cable into "OPT-1", and then go into INPUT SETUP and assign both HDMI-1 and OPT-1 to your "DVD" input. Then, you set the INPUT MODE to "digital" instead of "auto" or "hdmi", and the Denon will take the video from the HDMI and the audio from the optical.

What you CAN'T do is mix the HDMI video with a DIFFERENT source using the "Video Select" button. For example, let's say you want to mix the HDMI video from your DVD player with music from your CD player. That will not work using Video Select, you can only "mix" non-HDMI sources together this way. There are workarounds for this though.
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post #925 of 3148
12/17/08 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by shunx View Post

This sounds like this receiver can not mix an HDMI video signal with another audio source such as optical. Is this right? This is possible to do on some Pioneer receivers by going into the settings from what I read.

This is ONLY if you are not using the amp to play the audio. In this case, you are sending the complete HDMI signal through the amp, and the amp is acting as a switch only.

You CAN send a video signal via HDMI to the amp and then to the TV and have an audio signal via optical output at the amp (through your speakers connected to the amp).

It can't take a video signal via HDMI and an audio signal via optical, and combine them into a single HDMI output to the TV for the TV to play both the video and audio.

Edit: Too slow...
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post #926 of 3148
12/17/08 at 10:57am
I just purchased a Panasonic BD35 Blu-ray player and hooked it up last night. I am not getting TrueHD at this point. I was playing "Dark Knight" and it is displaying Dolby Digital on the display of the 2309.
I am running everything with HDMI. (Blue Jeans Cable 1.3a)
I do have the BD35 set to Bitstream and the secondary audio off.
What else can I check at this point?
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post #927 of 3148
12/17/08 at 11:03am
did you actually select the TrueHD track? It's not the default on most movies.
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post #928 of 3148
12/17/08 at 1:01pm
i HAD THAT SAME PROBLEM WITH MY DMP-30 AND I RESTORED TO DEFAULTS IN THE BLUERAY PLAYER AND SET THEM TO BITSTREAM WITH SECONDARY AUDIO AND IT WORK WHY I DON'T KNOW BUT JUST A SUGGESTION.
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post #929 of 3148
12/17/08 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Hab04 View Post

I just purchased a Panasonic BD35 Blu-ray player and hooked it up last night. I am not getting TrueHD at this point. I was playing "Dark Knight" and it is displaying Dolby Digital on the display of the 2309.
I am running everything with HDMI. (Blue Jeans Cable 1.3a)
I do have the BD35 set to Bitstream and the secondary audio off.
What else can I check at this point?


I have a BD-30, I assume it's similar. Press the audio button while the movie is playing and you should be able to scroll through the different formats. The responce time is slow so give it a second or so before the unit responds. You can select the format in the main menu also.
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post #930 of 3148
12/17/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by fakeplasticdream View Post

It can't take a video signal via HDMI and an audio signal via optical, and combine them into a single HDMI output to the TV for the TV to play both the video and audio.

Then would adding an optical out to the TV pass the audio via optical along with HDMI video?
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