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post #11071 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 View Post

Rutgar,

My impression is that it depends on your movie renting/buying habits. If you rent most of your movies from Netflix or Blockbuster, the 51/05 does not have the error correction that some other players have, therefore you may (read: probably will) have problems (freeze-ups, etc). However, if you primarily buy new discs, there is no player (until possibly the Oppo) that even comes close. Me, I do not rent BDs (only SDs to avoid getting burnt by blind-buys), and my 05 has been absolutely flawless. Add to that the fact that a majority of problems have already been fixed via FW (not to mention the ongoing Pioneer customer support is excellent, and they are represented on these boards), and you have a player that no other in it's price class can touch at present. There are always a few extremely vocal detractors who got burnt with a bad unit (or don't even own one and have a personal agenda, like trolling), but I, for one, am glad I didn't buy into their posturing.

The vast majority of my BD viewing with the 51 is with Netflix rentals, and I have not had a single problem (with v. 1.02 -- 1.17 is sitting in a drawer until I have time to update it).
post #11072 of 30716
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Originally Posted by CHG View Post

I rent a lot of movies from Netflix. I have only had a problem with one disc, The Mist on Blu-ray. I installed the latest update, and it then played fine.

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Originally Posted by ssteel01 View Post

FWIW, I've rented about a dozen Blu-Rays from Blockbuster and bought about another dozen used from Newbury Comics. I haven't had a single playback issue yet (knock on wood) with the 51FD.


Scott

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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

The vast majority of my BD viewing with the 51 is with Netflix rentals, and I have not had a single problem (with v. 1.02 -- 1.17 is sitting in a drawer until I have time to update it).

I stand corrected (several times over....)
post #11073 of 30716
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

huh? I don't see any way of changing the region for DVD playback or zone for BD playback. Is there a way to do such thing?


No this why I am using an HTPC to watch the few europen BD that I have that are region locked.
post #11074 of 30716
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

The vast majority of my BD viewing with the 51 is with Netflix rentals, and I have not had a single problem (with v. 1.02 -- 1.17 is sitting in a drawer until I have time to update it).

Same here, I only rent BD's from Netflix and haven't had a single problem with 1.02. Once I do, I will update my player with 1.17.
post #11075 of 30716
I finally got around (by myself or with my kids) to view some BDs I have accumulated over the past 3 weeks

Kung Fu Panda, Dr. NO, Thunderball, FYEO, Beetlejuice, Pilot, Sleeping Beauty, Day after Tomorrow, Hanna Montana 3D, Nightmare Be4 Christmans

.... all played without any problem whatsoever.

I'd like to make 2 comments, first Pioneer needs to give me the option to delay (x seconds) or disable the screen saver (was annoying), second, Sean Connery is James Bond. (period).

Gman
51FD fw 1.17b
post #11076 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

A few SD DVD menus locking up appears to be a firmware issue of 1.17 from my belief.

Thanks Ruined.
post #11077 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Toshiman View Post

Hey! Could this be a real Safe Mode solution for the player??

Probably just a fluke, but it does make me wonder...

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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

I finally got around (by myself or with my kids) to view some BDs I have accumulated over the past 3 weeks

Kung Fu Panda, Dr. NO, Thunderball, FYEO, Beetlejuice, Pilot, Sleeping Beauty, Day after Tomorrow, Hanna Montana 3D, Nightmare Be4 Christmans

.... all played without any problem whatsoever.

I'd like to make 2 comments, first Pioneer needs to give me the option to delay (x seconds) or disable the screen saver (was annoying), second, Sean Connery is James Bond. (period).

Gman
51FD fw 1.17

hehe.

Dr. No----if ya like ole school, I recently watched Steve McQueen in The Sand Pebbles, 1966, in blu ray. Top tier video and audio was awesome.
Now watchin stuff like ole samurai movies and sci-fi stuff like the blob, the monster that challenged the world, it, them, the thing from another world. All play good, fun to watch. All rentals.
post #11078 of 30716
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Originally Posted by smitty8000 View Post

What is your receiver or processor? Most of what you said is true, however if you're passing the signal via coaxial and not getting it, the problem your experiencing is in your Pre/pro/receiver not the blu-ray.

I have an Arcam AV8. When you say "...not getting it", does "it" mean DD EX and DTS ES? The AV8 shows that it is receiving DTS ES, for example, when connected to the Arcam DV27A and a DTS ES disk is playing. However, using the same disk in the 05 connected to the AV8, it does not show DTS ES. So, the processor does not seem to be the issue. Also, keep in mind that this is standard DVD, not Blu-Ray.

My guess is that this player (05) excludes the ability to play DD EX and DTS ES standard DVD's, and plays them as 5.1 instead. I believe the Panasonic BD55 has this ability though... Anyone know for sure if the 05 has DD EX and DTS ES??
post #11079 of 30716
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

I finally got around (by myself or with my kids) to view some BDs I have accumulated over the past 3 weeks

Kung Fu Panda, Dr. NO, Thunderball, FYEO, Beetlejuice, Pilot, Sleeping Beauty, Day after Tomorrow, Hanna Montana 3D, Nightmare Be4 Christmans

.... all played without any problem whatsoever.

I'd like to make 2 comments, first Pioneer needs to give me the option to delay (x seconds) or disable the screen saver (was annoying), second, Sean Connery is James Bond. (period).

Gman
51FD fw 1.17

What? No 1.17b?
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Okay, I am either being taken for a ride or I have been giving a lot of money to Monster over the years.

I inquired with monoprice about purchasing an HDMI splitter (1 to my 6010 and 1 to my Yamaha 2600) as my goal is 36 bit deep color, High speed hdmi to the plasma and the advance audio codecs to my yamaha. Because the Yamaha can't pass a 1080p signal I am currently going hdmi to my pioneer and digit. optical to my yamaha (only getting lossy Dolby and not true hd).

They recommended the folowing 1x2 splitter http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description and the following cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Has anyone used this splitter with an 8G or 9G kuro? Can you confirm that you do in fact recieve the deep color signal? Any lipsync issues? any downgrade in signal quality?

Sorry for being so skeptical but in spending astronomically more expensive prices on monster products I am wondering if the quality and prices of these products (specifically the splitter) can be true. Am i missing something here?
post #11081 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

What? No 1.17b?

hehe, my post has been edited
post #11082 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

Okay, I am either being taken for a ride or I have been giving a lot of money to Monster over the years.

I inquired with monoprice about purchasing an HDMI splitter (1 to my 6010 and 1 to my Yamaha 2600) as my goal is 36 bit deep color, High speed hdmi to the plasma and the advance audio codecs to my yamaha. Because the Yamaha can't pass a 1080p signal I am currently going hdmi to my pioneer and digit. optical to my yamaha (only getting lossy Dolby and not true hd).

They recommended the folowing 1x2 splitter http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description and the following cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Has anyone used this splitter with an 8G or 9G kuro? Can you confirm that you do in fact recieve the deep color signal? Any lipsync issues? any downgrade in signal quality?

Sorry for being so skeptical but in spending astronomically more expensive prices on monster products I am wondering if the quality and prices of these products (specifically the splitter) can be true. Am i missing something here?

Monster cables is the biggest scam around. For the best bang for your buck Monoprice rocks, and so do Blue Jeans cables * http://www.bluejeanscable.com *.

I use both. fwiw, Monoprice switchers are good but sometimes finicky with certain equipment (HDMI handshake) there is a whole forum dedicated to HDMI, Switches, etc * http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...ysprune=&f=168 * here on AVS

Gman
post #11083 of 30716
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

---snip---Sean Connery is James Bond. (period).

as I've mentioned before, Dr. No on blu-ray is awesome! I't's like watching a whole new movie and I highly recommend it for anyone who hasn't watched it yet!
post #11084 of 30716
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

I have an Arcam AV8. When you say "...not getting it", does "it" mean DD EX and DTS ES? The AV8 shows that it is receiving DTS ES, for example, when connected to the Arcam DV27A and a DTS ES disk is playing. However, using the same disk in the 05 connected to the AV8, it does not show DTS ES. So, the processor does not seem to be the issue. Also, keep in mind that this is standard DVD, not Blu-Ray.

My guess is that this player (05) excludes the ability to play DD EX and DTS ES standard DVD's, and plays them as 5.1 instead. I believe the Panasonic BD55 has this ability though... Anyone know for sure if the 05 has DD EX and DTS ES??

I was wondering the same thing as well. I have an 05 connected via HDMI to an Elite 82 Receiver (v1.2). I am doing internal decoding for Blu-ray in the 05, but was thinking of using it for DVD duties as well. However, if it does not pass EX or ES, I'll be keeping my DVD player around.

I know you said your setup was Coax, but this may help others using HDMI. Depending on your setup, you may have to set the 05 to Auto in the HDMI Setup menu, as opposed to PCM. I have not had a chance to test this, but I would think the 05 should bitstream EX and ES. I'm not sure if the version of HDMI matters, or if this will even work.
post #11085 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

Has anyone used this splitter with an 8G or 9G kuro? Can you confirm that you do in fact recieve the deep color signal? Any lipsync issues? any downgrade in signal quality?


I have splitter as I have posted about a few times. Mine goes from my 51 to my Kuro 5080 and to my HK AVR745. I have confirmed that my splitter (I actually have two) will pass the 36-bit signal without a hitch. The problem is that unless your AVR also supports it, the 51/05 will not send it. In my setup, if I remove my hdmi 1.1 HK from the signal chain, it will send a 36-bit signal. But as soon as my HK is introduced in the signal chain it will drop the 36-bit.

If your AVR doesn't support deep color, you'll need to decide whether it's worth it or not to have it. For me, I've viewed the playback both with and without the 36-bit signal and I honestly cannot tell the difference. Even if I were able to tell a slight difference it would be worth it to me to keep the HK for the great audio it delivers from the PCM signal.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me. I've helped several people on here with this through PM.
post #11086 of 30716
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Originally Posted by kemitchell View Post

I have splitter as I have posted about a few times. Mine goes from my 51 to my Kuro 5080 and to my HK AVR745. I have confirmed that my splitter (I actually have two) will pass the 36-bit signal without a hitch. The problem is that unless your AVR also supports it, the 51/05 will not send it. In my setup, if I remove my hdmi 1.1 HK from the signal chain, it will send a 36-bit signal. But as soon as my HK is introduced in the signal chain it will drop the 36-bit.

If your AVR doesn't support deep color, you'll need to decide whether it's worth it or not to have it. For me, I've viewed the playback both with and without the 36-bit signal and I honestly cannot tell the difference. Even if I were able to tell a slight difference it would be worth it to me to keep the HK for the great audio it delivers from the PCM signal.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me. I've helped several people on here with this through PM.

has anyone else had this problem? I am wondering if it is more a HK issue or does it apply to other non 36bit compliant avrs. If so this raises another potential problem- in having an avr that can recieve a 1080p signal, which is then downgraded to 1080i if passed through- will I not run into the same problem, namely, a 1080i signal only being sent to my plasma b/c that is the max res that my avr can recieve?

Anyone know if there is another monoprice splitter that avoids this issue- or a non monoprice splitter that doesn't produce the same result (other than Gefen- sorry not looking to spend big bucks).
post #11087 of 30716
Does anyone know how to by pass the Energy Star setting on this machine. I want this piece to stay on all the time, I'm growing tired of the excruiating boot up time..
Thanks...
post #11088 of 30716
Lockup with Deadwood Season 2 menu running. No problems with this before with update 1.02. Currently running 1.17.
post #11089 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

Okay, I am either being taken for a ride or I have been giving a lot of money to Monster over the years.

I inquired with monoprice about purchasing an HDMI splitter (1 to my 6010 and 1 to my Yamaha 2600) as my goal is 36 bit deep color, High speed hdmi to the plasma and the advance audio codecs to my yamaha. Because the Yamaha can't pass a 1080p signal I am currently going hdmi to my pioneer and digit. optical to my yamaha (only getting lossy Dolby and not true hd).

They recommended the folowing 1x2 splitter http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description and the following cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Has anyone used this splitter with an 8G or 9G kuro? Can you confirm that you do in fact recieve the deep color signal? Any lipsync issues? any downgrade in signal quality?

Sorry for being so skeptical but in spending astronomically more expensive prices on monster products I am wondering if the quality and prices of these products (specifically the splitter) can be true. Am i missing something here?

Sounds like you've been taken for a very long ride.

FWIW I am using Tartan Cable 28 AWG HDMI's. Tartan is the low cost line from Blue Jeans Cable. http://www.tartancable.com/hdmi-cables/index.htm

I use these cables with a BDP-05 an SC-05 and a PDP-5010. They pass the high speed signal from the BDP-05 with out any problem. They are flexible and crazy cheap!

Sorry, can't help on the splitter. Maybe order the Monoprice unit and give it a try. Send it back if it doesn't work.
post #11090 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

has anyone else had this problem? I am wondering if it is more a HK issue or does it apply to other non 36bit compliant avrs. If so this raises another potential problem- in having an avr that can recieve a 1080p signal, which is then downgraded to 1080i if passed through- will I not run into the same problem, namely, a 1080i signal only being sent to my plasma b/c that is the max res that my avr can recieve?

Anyone know if there is another monoprice splitter that avoids this issue- or a non monoprice splitter that doesn't produce the same result (other than Gefen- sorry not looking to spend big bucks).

It is not just the hk, my 94 elite does the same thing. The switcher will pass the 36 bit signal with just the tv hooked to one side of it. It will not pass 36 bit with the 150fd and a 94tx hooked to it. Both are 1.3 so I dont know what the deal is. My dvdo edge will not pass the 36 bit signal according to the kuro either. It will pass 4:4:4 10 bit but not 4:4:4 12 bit.
post #11091 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

has anyone else had this problem? I am wondering if it is more a HK issue or does it apply to other non 36bit compliant avrs. If so this raises another potential problem- in having an avr that can recieve a 1080p signal, which is then downgraded to 1080i if passed through- will I not run into the same problem, namely, a 1080i signal only being sent to my plasma b/c that is the max res that my avr can recieve?

Anyone know if there is another monoprice splitter that avoids this issue- or a non monoprice splitter that doesn't produce the same result (other than Gefen- sorry not looking to spend big bucks).

It's not an issue with the HK, it's true with any AVR that doesn't support 36-bit deep color. The good news is that you can force the 51/05 to send a source direct 1080p24 signal which is what I do for BD discs, then I switch the output resolution to "AUTO" when I watch SD discs to get the upconversion from the 51.

I'll answer your PM later this evening as I'm on someone else's laptop at the moment.
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I have this monoprice cable going from the 51 to my planar at 1080P/24

HDMI Tin-Plated Copper CL2 Rated (For In-Wall Installation) Cable (22AWG) - 35ft (Gold Plated Connectors)

It's 35 feet and $42.62. It's thick as a mofo, but works great. I read various reports that I may have trouble over 15ft, but not here. Oh... It'srunning through the Onkyo Pro 885.
post #11093 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Shsinclair View Post

has anyone else had this problem? I am wondering if it is more a HK issue or does it apply to other non 36bit compliant avrs. If so this raises another potential problem- in having an avr that can recieve a 1080p signal, which is then downgraded to 1080i if passed through- will I not run into the same problem, namely, a 1080i signal only being sent to my plasma b/c that is the max res that my avr can recieve?

Anyone know if there is another monoprice splitter that avoids this issue- or a non monoprice splitter that doesn't produce the same result (other than Gefen- sorry not looking to spend big bucks).

Maybe this is really a moot point as bluray is not currently capable of passing 12-bits? IIRC there is some discussion earlier in this thread about this. So while you may have hardware that is capable there is no source material at this time.
post #11094 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Peteey3265 View Post

Does anyone know how to by pass the Energy Star setting on this machine. I want this piece to stay on all the time, I'm growing tired of the excruiating boot up time..
Thanks...

Are you referring to the auto-power down function? That's enabled/disabled by pressing the Home Menu and selecting Initial Setup. I don't remember from there where it is, but find Auto-Power Down and disable it. I do this because I use a universal remote and I want to keep the player on sequence with the rest of my components. That's what you have to do when you don't have discreet on/off codes.
If this isn't what you meant, I'm of no help to you.
post #11095 of 30716
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

I have an Arcam AV8. When you say "...not getting it", does "it" mean DD EX and DTS ES? The AV8 shows that it is receiving DTS ES, for example, when connected to the Arcam DV27A and a DTS ES disk is playing. However, using the same disk in the 05 connected to the AV8, it does not show DTS ES. So, the processor does not seem to be the issue. Also, keep in mind that this is standard DVD, not Blu-Ray.

My guess is that this player (05) excludes the ability to play DD EX and DTS ES standard DVD's, and plays them as 5.1 instead. I believe the Panasonic BD55 has this ability though... Anyone know for sure if the 05 has DD EX and DTS ES??

I'm probably of no help here, but the only think I can think of is in your Pioneer blu-ray setup menu you still have analog audio out selected. This would still allow you to bitstream through the coaxial to your receiver, but that could be where the information is being lost. Try double checking your audio menu in the 05 and report back.
Good luck,
Ryan
post #11096 of 30716
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Originally Posted by smitty8000 View Post

I'm probably of no help here, but the only think I can think of is in your Pioneer blu-ray setup menu you still have analog audio out selected. This would still allow you to bitstream through the coaxial to your receiver, but that could be where the information is being lost. Try double checking your audio menu in the 05 and report back.
Good luck,
Ryan

Yes, I made sure that I had changed back and forth between analog and digital in the initial setup. Plus, if you don't, the processor won't even show Dolby Digital or DTS, as I think only 2 channels are sent to the digital output when analog audio is selected.

I looked in the Pioneer manual, and it does not list DD EX or DTS ES, so I think that they are not included in this player...
post #11097 of 30716
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Originally Posted by kemitchell View Post

The good news is that you can force the 51/05 to send a source direct 1080p24 signal which is what I do for BD discs, then I switch the output resolution to "AUTO" when I watch SD discs to get the upconversion from the 51.

The best news is that you can do that all on-the-fly, no need to stop playback and enter setup menus like on most players
post #11098 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

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I'm hoping I at least get the menu lockup issue fixed. Even though it is infrequent, it is very annoying and takes away some of the enjoyment of this player. The repeating audio issue is more of a odd quirk and doesn't affect the actual function of the player.


I am retracting the statement about the audio repeating issue not affecting the function of the player......here's why:

Watched "Amelie" (DVD) tonight (great movie, btw!). The menu froze after letting it run a few minutes while I prepared a snack. Then while watching the movie the audio repeating issue occured during the layer change!

I wish I took note of the time code, as now I've forgotten exactly where the layer change is on this title (anyone here know??). I'll try to find it so I can report it to Pioneer.

This is getting real annoying......


Update......layer change on "Amelie" DVD occurs at time code 1hr 5min 0sec; it's at the transition from chapter 8 to 9. Of course I was unable to force the problem to repeat.............(sigh)
post #11099 of 30716
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I am retracting the statement about the audio repeating issue not affecting the function of the player......here's why:

Watched "Amelie" (DVD) tonight (great movie, btw!). The menu froze after letting it run a few minutes while I prepared a snack. Then while watching the movie the audio repeating issue occured during the layer change!

I wish I took note of the time code, as now I've forgotten exactly where the layer change is on this title (anyone here know??). I'll try to find it so I can report it to Pioneer.

This is getting real annoying......


Update......layer change on "Amelie" DVD occurs at time code 1hr 5min 0sec; it's at the transition from chapter 8 to 9. Of course I was unable to force the problem to repeat.............(sigh)

Go totally analog for a few snippets of your movies and see if things get better. Just a thought.
post #11100 of 30716
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Originally Posted by GobbityGotz View Post

Lockup with Deadwood Season 2 menu running. No problems with this before with update 1.02. Currently running 1.17.

1.17 saw a huge overhaul of the DVD engine as evidenced by the massive increased in upconversion quality and faster menu performance in DVDs. But it appears there were a few bugs introduced such as the one you mentioned with certain SD titles.
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