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post #15091 of 30452
3/3/09 at 1:35pm
I have the 51FD for almost a little over a month now. It was using it with my old 1080i Mitsubishi CRT Rear Projection TV using component cables.

I just got my projector yesterday (Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1), so I connected it with HDMI cable to get the full 1080p. My screen size is 106" 16x9. Picture out of the box is awesome. I found out that the color is a little saturated, specially the green, but after a little tweaking, the BD picture is simply stunning.

Now, my problem is with the DVD playback. The picture is not that good. I thought this unit is supposed to have same or better quality of upconversion compared to the Reon HQV on the Samsung BD-P2500 (which I havent seen yet). Do I need to enable something? When I click info on the projector it says 1080p/60hz. I'm going to connect my old Denon DVD-2800 MKII with component cable to 480p just for comparison.

Any thoughts?

Thank you.
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post #15092 of 30452
3/3/09 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by sc300tt View Post

I just got my projector yesterday (Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1), so I connected it with HDMI cable to get the full 1080p. My screen size is 106" 16x9. Picture out of the box is awesome. I found out that the color is a little saturated, specially the green, but after a little tweaking, the BD picture is simply stunning.

Now, my problem is with the DVD playback. The picture is not that good. I thought this unit is supposed to have same or better quality of upconversion compared to the Reon HQV on the Samsung BD-P2500 (which I havent seen yet).

If this is your first projector I think you'll find DVDs aren't acceptable via any source. I haven't watched one in my theater for several years. That's what the den is for.
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post #15093 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:07pm
Just pulled the trigger on the 51 from 6th ave.....

Coupon code "couponcabin" still works; it just about negated the 8% tax I had to pay for living in NY.

can't wait to get this in my system!
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post #15094 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:12pm
Dang you all !!!!!!! I just ordered a 51 too
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post #15095 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by sc300tt View Post

Now, my problem is with the DVD playback. The picture is not that good. I thought this unit is supposed to have same or better quality of upconversion compared to the Reon HQV on the Samsung BD-P2500 (which I havent seen yet). Do I need to enable something? When I click info on the projector it says 1080p/60hz. I'm going to connect my old Denon DVD-2800 MKII with component cable to 480p just for comparison.

Any thoughts?

Thank you.

Do you have firmware 1.17 or later? That is when the DVD engine was upgraded.

I have Reon HQV and the 51FD is clearly better (post 1.17 firmware) at upconversion.
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post #15096 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:19pm
Yes, I have the 1.25a
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post #15097 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by bricot View Post

Dang you all !!!!!!! I just ordered a 51 too

Well, I think there are probably enough to go around

If mine gets back-ordered, though, I'll know who to blame...
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post #15098 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:35pm
The BD Australia says I need a FW up date to play it. You got to be kidding me.
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post #15099 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

The BD Australia says I need a FW up date to play it. You got to be kidding me.

The little insert in the case or there is an actual message on the screen after you put the disc in?
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post #15100 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by sc300tt View Post

I have the 51FD for almost a little over a month now. It was using it with my old 1080i Mitsubishi CRT Rear Projection TV using component cables.

I just got my projector yesterday (Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1), so I connected it with HDMI cable to get the full 1080p. My screen size is 106" 16x9. Picture out of the box is awesome. I found out that the color is a little saturated, specially the green, but after a little tweaking, the BD picture is simply stunning.

Now, my problem is with the DVD playback. The picture is not that good. I thought this unit is supposed to have same or better quality of upconversion compared to the Reon HQV on the Samsung BD-P2500 (which I havent seen yet). Do I need to enable something? When I click info on the projector it says 1080p/60hz. I'm going to connect my old Denon DVD-2800 MKII with component cable to 480p just for comparison.

Any thoughts?

Thank you.

Have you tried to setup as source direct and let the Genum chip in your projector do the upcaling?

My hunch will tell me that you will like better the output of the pioneer doing the upconverting. My first projector was the RS1 (which has the same Genum chip) and the first time that I saw
DVD upconversion it look like crap.. But that is what it is...In a smaller screen DVD will look quite nice but not in a FP setup...
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post #15101 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

The BD Australia says I need a FW up date to play it. You got to be kidding me.

There are sometimes notices re keeping up on your firmware - like someone mentioned on an insert. did the disc load? play at all?
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post #15102 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I'm not sure why you'd think you'd be in a better boat with the Oppo as it is in an even more immature state than the Pioneer.

As a 51 owner since its release I personally have grown tired of the unfilled promises with this player... With the recent firmware it is, at best, only a decent Bluray/DVD player but falls short in many areas. Based on my experience with other Oppo players, I am now awaiting the general release of the Oppo 83 player... The minute I can get my hands on one the Pioneer will be retired/donated/blown up.

I'm sure the Oppo will have its teething problems but, from reading the EAP thread, it's disk loading/nav performance is on par or better than that of the PS3 (which I was using until I mistakenly bought into the 51 hype), decodes DTS-MA, SACD (and maybe someday DVD-Audio), not to mention the other Oppo features that have no chance of being implemented in any future firmware fix for the 51.
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post #15103 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:59pm
I had to reinsert and try again. Then it played. Strange! It locked up the first time and said I needed to update my FW. I will try the other 3 brands this weekend, but its playing now. BD has problems if everytime they release a new movie people have to up date their FW for BS stuff.
Maybe this is a fluke but it doesn't look good for the long haul folks. 26a for me since the day I bought it.
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post #15104 of 30452
3/3/09 at 2:59pm
Good luck with that.......The Chinese thank you as well, they need your money to loan back to our government to hand out.....
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post #15105 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

I had to reinsert and try again. Then it played. Strange! It locked up the first time and said I needed to update my FW. I will try the other 3 brands this weekend, but its playing now. BD has problems if everytime they release a new movie people have to up date their FW for BS stuff.
Maybe this is a fluke but it doesn't look good for the long haul folks. 26a for me since the day I bought it.

I've never run into a BD I couldn't play due to firmware being out of date. How long have you had a blu-ray player?
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post #15106 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by gonzalc3 View Post

Have you tried to setup as source direct and let the Genum chip in your projector do the upcaling?

My hunch will tell me that you will like better the output of the pioneer doing the upconverting. My first projector was the RS1 (which has the same Genum chip) and the first time that I saw
DVD upconversion it look like crap.. But that is what it is...In a smaller screen DVD will look quite nice but not in a FP setup...

I haven't tried that yet. How can I do that?
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post #15107 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by LS2JSTS View Post

Good luck with that.......The Chinese thank you as well, they need your money to loan back to our government to hand out.....

I was thinking the same thing
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post #15108 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

26a for me since the day I bought it.

26a? I'm not sure what that means.

Can you be more specific about your problem? When you say it locked up, was it during playback? or did it never start? where you able to stop the disk by hitting the stop button? did you have to power it down?

I have never had a disc that wouldn't play and then say that I need a firmware to play it, that is other than a generic message some discs have to update FW if it doesn't play. For that matter, I've never had a disc that wouldn't play period.
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post #15109 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 View Post

Personally, I will put my 05 up against any player out there in the sub-$1k price range...

Ditto for my 51.
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post #15110 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I'm not sure why you'd think you'd be in a better boat with the Oppo as it is in an even more immature state than the Pioneer.

Not really.... The Oppo does everything the Pioneers do PLUS it decodes DTS MA to LPCM... and it is not even a 3rd gen player like the latest Pioneers. The Oppo can't compete with the Pioneers' $275 price.
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post #15111 of 30452
3/3/09 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

The Oppo can't compete with the Pioneers' $275 price.

Exactly, and I can't see Oppo dropping their price by half a few months after official release like Pioneer did either.
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post #15112 of 30452
3/3/09 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

Do you have firmware 1.17 or later? That is when the DVD engine was upgraded.

I have Reon HQV and the 51FD is clearly better (post 1.17 firmware) at upconversion.

Really?...do share more info on how the Reon in the Samsung is not better off than the BDP-51.
I am seriously considering the BDP-2500 in the other room since i really don't want another 51...I think its kind of silly to have 2 of the same units...
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post #15113 of 30452
3/3/09 at 4:55pm
Any diagnoses for this?

Removed all my equipment from my room for a week while the ceiling was being painted. Popped in a movie last night and the picture had a pink tint - black bars were pink, not black. Ejected the movie, turned the 51 off/on and the even the setup screens have the issue.

I have not found any other issues with other sources routing thru my receiver so I think this is an issue with the 51.
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post #15114 of 30452
3/3/09 at 4:58pm
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Any diagnoses for this?

Removed all my equipment from my room for a week while the ceiling was being painted. Popped in a movie last night and the picture had a pink tint - black bars were pink, not black. Ejected the movie, turned the 51 off/on and the even the setup screens have the issue.

I have not found any other issues with other sources routing thru my receiver so I think this is an issue with the 51.

Possible loose cable / interconnect somewhere... Or the color space was changed (e.g. RGB, YCr Cb). Does this happen with all sources...? Check your display cables, receiver and BD player cables.
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post #15115 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I'm not sure why you'd think you'd be in a better boat with the Oppo as it is in an even more immature state than the Pioneer.

I have both in my home and the OPPO is far from immature, but it has
only been in my home for a few hours, so more testing needs to be
done. So far, its been flawless.

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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Not really.... The Oppo does everything the Pioneers do PLUS it decodes DTS MA to LPCM... and it is not even a 3rd gen player like the latest Pioneers. The Oppo can't compete with the Pioneers' $275 price.

I agree.

......and $275 is a tremendous deal for the 51.
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post #15116 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:02pm
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The screen freezes for a couple seconds. There aren't any audio noises at all.My 981 would rarely show a layer change, but I like the picture of the 51 better overall.

Normally that is true. However, I've had the audio repeat bug occur two times so far during the layer change. As far as I know, out of the others here who have reported experiencing the audio repeat bug, I'm the only one so far that has reported it during a DVD layer change. However, since it happened so quick, I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened to others but they did not notice it.
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post #15117 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

Really?...do share more info on how the Reon in the Samsung is not better off than the BDP-51.
I am seriously considering the BDP-2500 in the other room since i really don't want another 51...I think its kind of silly to have 2 of the same units...

+1.

I'm in the market to get a standalone BD player and was going to pick up that same player - Saumsung BD-2500, mainly for the Reon.

But...I just pulled the trigger on a Pioneer Elite SC-05 yesterday and am now wondering if I maybe I should get a BDP-51FD instead. If the dvd upconversion is as good, if not better than the Reon, on the BDP-51FD, like some have stated, then I may just go with the Pioneer. I can get them both for around the same price, around $300 shipped. I've only used either a A1 or XA2 for dvd upconversions, so I'm kinda spoiled and really don't know what to expect outside of those two players, especially compared to the XA2, which I no longer own.

Also, any added benefits pairing a BDP-51FD to a SC-05? I just use my system for movies and games.
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post #15118 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

Really?...do share more info on how the Reon in the Samsung is not better off than the BDP-51.
I am seriously considering the BDP-2500 in the other room since i really don't want another 51...I think its kind of silly to have 2 of the same units...

I demo'd both a sammy 2500 and 51fd and to me the pio was clearly better at upconversion. Not just a little better, CLEARLY better on the material I was using. I'm glad too, cause after the way samsung took me to the cleaners on the 1400 and 1500 models, I was hoping to finally find something non-samsung that had quality upconversion and BD.

It worked out well cause with the 6ave deal, I got the 51fd for $266 shipped. Can't complain about that one bit.
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post #15119 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Indyjones View Post

+1.

I'm in the market to get a standalone BD player and was going to pick up that same player - Saumsung BD-2500, mainly for the Reon.

But...I just pulled the trigger on a Pioneer Elite SC-05 yesterday and am now wondering if I maybe I should get a BDP-51FD instead. If the dvd upconversion is as good, if not better than the Reon, on the BDP-51FD, like some have stated, then I may just go with the Pioneer. I can get them both for around the same price, around $300 shipped. I've only used either a A1 or XA2 for dvd upconversions, so I'm kinda spoiled and really don't know what to expect outside of those two players, especially compared to the XA2, which I no longer own.

Also, any added benefits pairing a BDP-51FD to a SC-05? I just use my system for movies and games.

I have a reon chip in both my Onkyo HD DV805 and my Samsung BDP2550. I have compared it numerous times to SD playback on the 51FD.

I think the reon and 51fd are very similar in respects of upconversion quality. some films i prefer the reon, some the pioneer. They produce different images...we're getting into subjective waters here and I think the only safe comment is they both look great.
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post #15120 of 30452
3/3/09 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

If I were a betting man I'd say we get "internal" DTS MA decoding 1st then another fw upgrade addressing speed & playabiity tweeks.

I'd also venture that we will get "internal" DTS MA decoding approx 2 weeks after it is released for the flagship 09FD player which should be out within in a couple of weeks or less.

I'd speculate that a following fw upgrade, speed & playability tweeks would be out late spring, early summer

As usual, Europe fist , US to follow.... so keep checking the European website

Gman
51FD fw 1.25a

Wow. You either have some serious inside contacts or are seriously brave!
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