Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA - Page 53

Originally Posted by thebland

How would you erfute Audioholics and Jim Peterson of Lumagen?

Originally Posted by Ruined

Audioholics, well, that's just their opinion, man

Originally Posted by briansemerick

Originally Posted by Ruined

Enfuting Lumagen is pretty simple. All of their current products will intrinsically lose value if Pioneer has tapped a new, useful, field of image processing here. In addition, Lumagen will also have to invest significant new amounts of R&D moneys in order to not fall behind Pioneer and other companies that employ this new form of image processing. Not to mention that any Lumagen products in the pipeline that do not have this technology will all of a sudden look a lot less shiny if color upconversion gains some traction.

So in Lumagen's case, it is obviously in their best interest to try and get it labelled as bunk so their company doesn't have to spend a whole bunch of money to update their products as a result of it.

Audioholics, well, that's just their opinion, man

Originally Posted by thebland

Well, I hold Peterson to high regard. He is an expert. You calling him a liar so as to protect his business is ridiculous. What proof do you have of that? His excerpt from above makes sense to me.

This is pure drama.

We can agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by madkaw

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Enfuting Lumagen is pretty simple. All of their current products will intrinsically lose value if Pioneer has tapped a new, useful, field of image processing here. In addition, Lumagen will also have to invest significant new amounts of R&D moneys in order to not fall behind Pioneer and other companies that employ this new form of image processing. Not to mention that any Lumagen products in the pipeline that do not have this technology will all of a sudden look a lot less shiny if color upconversion gains some traction.

So in Lumagen's case, it is obviously in their best interest to try and get it labelled as bunk so their company doesn't have to spend a whole bunch of money to update their products as a result of it.

Audioholics, well, that's just their opinion, man

Originally Posted by joerod

The so called "experts" have absolutely no evidence to back of their theories. And as I stated Lumagen will say anything at this point since they are not HDMI 1.3. And they realize what a pain it is going to be when they have their "upgrade" program. If it weren't a big deal then why would they even comment on or specualte why it is a gimmick? As I reported until now it has been nearly impossible to test deep color or x.v. color and let's remember this is just a color "trick" that I am getting good results with. I can't wait until the "real" thing hits.

Originally Posted by thebland

Also,

Now I know you are making all this up about 'Deep Color'... You even made up the word, 'enfute'. No such word...like no deep color trick!!

Originally Posted by joerod

The so called "experts" have absolutely no evidence to back of their theories. And as I stated Lumagen will say anything at this point since they are not HDMI 1.3. And they realize what a pain it is going to be when they have their "upgrade" program. If it weren't a big deal then why would they even comment on or specualte why it is a gimmick? As I reported until now it has been nearly impossible to test deep color or x.v. color and let's remember this is just a color "trick" that I am getting good results with. I can't wait until the "real" thing hits.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Bland, I'm not sure why you are being so stubborn about this when color upconversion is a fairly simple idea. It is not a bad thing nor is it something that can't necessarily improve the end result.


Your argument sounds like the one made by some DVD purists when HD upconverters arrived. They said that watching the DVD at 480p was the best, because it was the closest to the original signal. Clearly that was not the most bulletproof train of thinking.

Originally Posted by thebland

Well, I hold Peterson to high regard. He is an expert. You calling him a liar so as to protect his business is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by htwaits

How is that different than you accusing joerod of being on the take to say nice things about the 51?

Peterson's vested interest is clear, you have speculated about joerod is a very unpleasant way.

Originally Posted by joerod

I doubt it. I truly believe Deep Color is right around the corner. Why else are we talking about this Deep color "trick" so much? You guys are part of the Bitstream over HDMI won't happen crowd.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Your argument sounds like the one made by some DVD purists when HD upconverters arrived. They said that watching the DVD at 480p was the best, because it was the closest to the original signal. Clearly that was not the most bulletproof train of thinking.

Originally Posted by thebland

Well, that's Joe's and my back and forth. Jim Peterson is a third party on the subject.. No need to bad mouth him if he's not even directly in the fray?

But since you brought it up, is that 906 free or discounted?

BTW - fun stuff for a Friday!

Originally Posted by joerod

Why do you keep bringing up the 906? That is an Onkyo product. The Pioneer 51FD is a Pioneer product. That does not make any sense.

Originally Posted by joerod

Back on topic, for the actual owners of the 51FD I am planning a get together with some friends this weekend. I will get more opinions on the color "trick" from them... I will work on a few more screen shots as well...

Originally Posted by benjs

Your ending statement is exactly what needs to be noted. If one is to say that Deep Colour, which to me sounds like a form of 'colour upconverting', is all hype and no substance; one might as well say the same about upscaling. That's my opinion, at least.