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post #19891 of 30452
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

Hi there

Can you please be more specific on the modification(s) done / implemented.

Can it be done at home, do we need to send it in to a professional, what size and speed are the SD memory cards used, etc., etc.

It's been done at home, of course
The new card used is a 2 Go SD Card PNY Premium, as the guy had no High-Speed available for the moment.
- 8 screws to remove,
- initialize the card and copy the folder named "buda" from the original card.
And that's all.
Time to load BR seem to be almost divided by 2.
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post #19892 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

It's been done at home, of course
The new card used is a 2 Go SD Card PNY Premium, as the guy had no High-Speed available for the moment.
- 8 screws to remove,
- initialize the card and copy the folder named "buda" from the original card.
And that's all.
Time to load BR seem to be almost divided by 2.
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post #19893 of 30452
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Originally Posted by juda View Post

Thank you, just answered my Q!! [IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://***************/9/F/i.jpg[/IMG]

You're welcome
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post #19894 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Rob West View Post

On a side issue, today I received a BD from Netflix where you can see the label through the other side of the disc, as if its transparent.
Anyone ever see this before?
I'll let you know if it plays.

I have seen this on CDs, DVDs, HD-DVDs, and Blu-ray (In fact, the only optical media I haven't seen this on is LaserDisc)... It shouldn't affect playback at all.
post #19895 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

Hello,

Just to let you know that some people in my country (France) have changed the SD memory card in their 51-FD player: it starts and loads BR now much, much faster.
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any pictures of how or where the SD card is and is it just a unplug and plug in.
By initialize, do you mean format NTSF. Is that and the copying done on a computer then the new card put back in
post #19896 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Rob West View Post

On a side issue, today I received a BD from Netflix where you can see the label through the other side of the disc, as if its transparent.
Anyone ever see this before?
I'll let you know if it plays.

I can see thru most or all very clean disks held up to the light. All of them played
post #19897 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

It's been done at home, of course
The new card used is a 2 Go SD Card PNY Premium, as the guy had no High-Speed available for the moment.
- 8 screws to remove,
- initialize the card and copy the folder named "buda" from the original card.
And that's all.

Time to load BR seem to be almost divided by 2.
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How is this done? The initialization and name change.

Any links to the appropriate cards?
post #19898 of 30452
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

any pictures of how or where the SD card is and is it just a unplug and plug in.

No pictures from the process, sorry!
But here you can see several from the inside :
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...html?showall=1
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

By initialize, do you mean format NTSF.

Yes.
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

.../... Is that and the copying done on a computer then the new card put back in

Yes.
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post #19899 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

No pictures from the process, sorry!
But here you can see several from the inside :
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...html?showall=1

Yes.

Yes.
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Thanks
post #19900 of 30452
2 Go SD Card PNY Premium

do you mean 2 gigabyte when you say "2 GO"
post #19901 of 30452
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Originally Posted by chucklee View Post

I will chime in as someone who has had a love\\hate relationship when it comes to this player:

I have an older (but expensive and not-ready-to-be-rid-of) HT Processor that does not support HDMI (same story with my Mits RPTV), and was looking to get into Blu-Ray a year and a half ago. The 05FD fit the parameters I was looking for - 7.1 analog-outs, better DACs and component-outs, and internal decoding of all of the HD audio codecs (except for DTS-MA - more on that later).

This player was being touted late 2007\\early 2008, but seemed to take forever to be released; then I got stuck with a failed power-buy debacle, and finally ended up buying it from another on-line dealer in the fall of last year.

It has played everything I have put in it, and offered up a significant picture and sound quality to standard DVD, with my three biggest complaints being:

1. It seemed to be slow in booting up and loading, and was downright sluggish and a little flaky with the OOB firmware. This has improved with subsequent FW updates, but still seems a little on the slow side.

2. My complaint from day one has been that, with the better analog audio capabilities via hardware, the software implementation has been way too simplistic, specifically the lack of speaker delay settings and bass management. It was ridiculous to load this machine for a supposedly higher-end analog implementation, and deny the tools necessary to use it properly.

3. There are a lot of DTS-MA titles coming out - 6 of the last 7 that I have bought have had this as their only HD audio codec (whatever happened to PCM?) - and the release of the 09 and newer 320 models with this, along with new FW updates for them (and nothing for the 05 for four months) is insulting and intolerable to those of us who bought these very early. This shows what appears to me to be contempt (I don't feel that is too strong a word) for their consumers, and their future lack of viability in this market will be their just reward.

I don't feel like I'm being a childish, impatient "I want it NOW" consumer -my patience just waiting for this unit to be released and finally get to my doorstep indicates otherwise - but it just seems a slap in the face to all of us owners that the newer, less expensive models are receiving this attention, and we're getting NOTHING.

It is only because we are banging away at them via this forum and emails and calls to customer service that we have the frustratingly vague "next month" or "later this month" information that we have. This is the antithesis of customer service, and I am in the group of people who have stated unequivacolly that this is my last purchase of a Pioneer product.

In the meantime, yes, I enjoy Blu-Rays on my BDP-05FD, but am more often lately choosing to watch an SD DVD, and am leaving my DTS-MA titles on the shelf after one viewing, waiting for that day when I can enjoy the lossless audio that was one of the biggest reasons I switched to this format and purchased this particular player.

...and I hate to say it, but theBland is right when he says to never purchase a player that does not do everthing it promises out of the box... do not trust a company to follow through on their promise in a reasonable period of time once they have your money. Pragmatism is our best defense in a caveat emptor market...



I agree 100%! I have Pioneer Elite Pro-710HD, so I needed good component video, which I get from the 05. I also needed analog outputs to go to my Arcam AV8, which the 05 does as well. I also don't understand why a player with such great analog capabilities is short on the software end. Through the analog outs, we don't have delay settings, crossover settings (hopefully that is coming soon), and we cannot get DTS-ES or DD-EX from DVD's. We also don't have ability to get 7.1 from 5.1 source, as my AV8 will do with a digital input.

I have bought many Blu Rays with DTS-MA that are just sitting and waiting (and waiting...) for the firmware upgrade.

I agree with theBland regarding the purchase of a piece of equipment that promises to have feature(s) available in the future. I will definitely avoid doing that - a lesson learned.
post #19902 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

No pictures from the process, sorry!
But here you can see several from the inside :
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...html?showall=1

Yes.

Yes.
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Ok, the gauntlet has been laid down. Who on this board is going to try this? And if successful document the right way to do it?

Somebody smarter than me please try this
post #19903 of 30452
I wonder if the new SD card helps on layer change
post #19904 of 30452
For fun, I'm keeping myself occupied with a countdown of sorts. Some folks have indicated that the firmware upgrade will show up the middle of June, and it's also been mentioned that it's supposed to show up late Spring. I know some are still doubtful that it will even show up in June, and some are predicting June 30th at 11:59pm.

Anyways, I'm hopeful that it will show up in June. Assuming the middle of the month - the 15th of June - we have 13 days to go. Assuming late Spring or the last day of Spring - the 20th of June - we have 18 days to go.

Anyone else want to venture a guess?
post #19905 of 30452
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

How is leaving a disc in the player a cause for problems in the player (or 'user error' as you define it)? You need to explain this.. If this practice truly wrecks havoc on the 05/51, then the player is even more flawed than I thought?? (BTW - I'm guilty of this practice. I usually close down my system after a flick the night before and come back into the theater in the mornin to retrieve my NetFlix disc out of the tray to mail back. Doh!! Do this with all 3 of my players.

In my experience, leaving a disc in the player isn't a problem per se, it's just that next time you turn the player on, you have to wait for the ~30 boot up (which is IMO, very reasonable) PLUS the 3-5 minutes it can take to load the disc. So, if all you want to do is eject the disc, it can take a frustratingly long time. I leave discs in all the time and have never had a problem (knock wood) other than having to wait to eject the disc. I'm not sure how that can possibly be considered a "bad practice". IMO, if just leaving a disc in the player really does cause firmware or hardware based errors, then, no matter what player we're talking about, it truly is a POS.


Scott
post #19906 of 30452
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Originally Posted by ssteel01 View Post

In my experience, leaving a disc in the player isn't a problem per se, it's just that next time you turn the player on, you have to wait for the ~30 boot up (which is IMO, very reasonable) PLUS the 3-5 minutes it can take to load the disc. So, if all you want to do is eject the disc, it can take a frustratingly long time. I leave discs in all the time and have never had a problem (knock wood) other than having to wait to eject the disc. I'm not sure how that can possibly be considered a "bad practice". IMO, if just leaving a disc in the player really does cause firmware or hardware based errors, then, no matter what player we're talking about, it truly is a POS.


Scott


That long? On my 3 BD players, hitting the eject will open the tray after an initial boot up. (20 seconds for my Denon, Quicker for my OPPO, longer for my Panny). The disc never loads when you hit eject in those players.. Does it in the Pioneer?
post #19907 of 30452
This upcoming firmware update may add DTS MA and other niceties, but hopefully it doesn't come at the expense of longer load times, etc as the processor may be maxed with the DTS MA add on.. I think lack of computing power has been the real trick / problem in getting the DTS MA to market.. The player likely has little processing power and Pioneer is trying to do what they can with what little power they have.. Hopefully, all is well engineered and every respect of the player is improved with the upcoming firmware.
post #19908 of 30452
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

2 Go SD Card PNY Premium

do you mean 2 gigabyte when you say "2 GO"

2 GO = 2 Giga Octets (in french) so 2 GB indeed
Just ordered one myself
post #19909 of 30452
Chill2
In short if you do not need to decode DTS Ma in the player (most people) then this is a cracking player for the money with superior PQ and SQ - a taste of high end for poor mans money.


Most people? Umm...i think it's the other way around. I think most people "don't" have an HDMI capable AVR to decode dts-HD MA. Just think about it, AVRs with DD & dts (core) decoding ability have been around since approx 2000 while HDMI capable AVRs have been around since approx 2007-2008. I would think the ratio of non-HDMI AVRs vs. newer AVRs is at least 10:1. This means there are more people relying on internal decoding than not and this is the reason why so many of us chose this player in order to avoid a new AVR purchase.
post #19910 of 30452
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

This upcoming firmware update may add DTS MA and other niceties, but hopefully it doesn't come at the expense of longer load times, etc as the processor may be maxed with the DTS MA add on.. I think lack of computing power has been the real trick / problem in getting the DTS MA to market.. The player likely has little processing power and Pioneer is trying to do what they can with what little power they have.. Hopefully, all is well engineered and every respect of the player is improved with the upcoming firmware.

Possibly true but pure speculation none the less.
AFAIK the new 320 uses the same Soc as the 51 - no particular DTS MA troubles there.
post #19911 of 30452
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Originally Posted by ghislain View Post

2 GO = 2 Giga Octets (in french) so 2 GB indeed
Just ordered one myself

What does "PNY Premium" stand for? Can i use a regular 2 Gb SD card?
post #19912 of 30452
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

This upcoming firmware update may add DTS MA and other niceties, but hopefully it doesn't come at the expense of longer load times, etc as the processor may be maxed with the DTS MA add on.. I think lack of computing power has been the real trick / problem in getting the DTS MA to market.. The player likely has little processing power and Pioneer is trying to do what they can with what little power they have.. Hopefully, all is well engineered and every respect of the player is improved with the upcoming firmware.

Chris Walker has already shared with us that one of the difficulties in implementing DTS-MA has been because of the limited amount of memory in the player.

That mod to increase the memory making the player load faster sounds a lot like why the BDP-09FD loads so much faster than the 51/05 units. The 09FD as 4GB of internal memory, one of the first things I noticed when playing a "Bond" BD was how fast that Fox Java circle is compared to my BDP-95FD. It's like comparing a Indy car to a Earthmover......
post #19913 of 30452
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

That long? On my 3 BD players, hitting the eject will open the tray after an initial boot up. (20 seconds for my Denon, Quicker for my OPPO, longer for my Panny). The disc never loads when you hit eject in those players.. Does it in the Pioneer?

nope
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

This upcoming firmware update may add DTS MA and other niceties, but hopefully it doesn't come at the expense of longer load times, etc as the processor may be maxed with the DTS MA add on.. I think lack of computing power has been the real trick / problem in getting the DTS MA to market.. The player likely has little processing power and Pioneer is trying to do what they can with what little power they have.. Hopefully, all is well engineered and every respect of the player is improved with the upcoming firmware.

Today's memory discussion is very telling. Sounds just like an old PC without enough RAM for the newer memory-hog software (read BD-Java in this case)
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

What does "PNY Premium" stand for?

PNY is manufacturer. Premium is model line.

Regarding disc cleaning and 51FD. My method; open Netflix BD, look at back. If it looks ok, load it. If it has popcorn fingerprint, breathe on and wipe on T-shirt. If it has been used to serve popcorn, use drop of dish soap and clean cool water. Measure of success: 100% perfect record of playing back all BD's (1-2 per week) for last eight months.
post #19914 of 30452
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

What does "PNY Premium" stand for? Can i use a regular 2 Gb SD card?

PNY is a memory manufacturer. I have their chips in a old PC at home.
post #19915 of 30452
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

This upcoming firmware update may add DTS MA and other niceties, but hopefully it doesn't come at the expense of longer load times, etc as the processor may be maxed with the DTS MA add on.. I think lack of computing power has been the real trick / problem in getting the DTS MA to market.. The player likely has little processing power and Pioneer is trying to do what they can with what little power they have.. Hopefully, all is well engineered and every respect of the player is improved with the upcoming firmware.

Not only that, the performance upgrade will come at quite a cost. The player will actually abduct young children and harness their energy to power the player!

Your agenda is BLEEDING through...
post #19916 of 30452
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

2 Go SD Card PNY Premium

do you mean 2 gigabyte when you say "2 GO"

Yes!
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post #19917 of 30452
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

I wonder if the new SD card helps on layer change

No change has been noticed about that point.
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post #19918 of 30452
Thanks for response re see through BD's.
post #19919 of 30452
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

To be fair, there isn't a BD player that can guarantee 100% disc compatibility. Blu Ray players are computers with software (movies) written by many different companies, so there's bound to be compatibility problems. The BD60 is a solid player, as I previously owned one. However there have been complaints on that thread about disc freezing etc. Moral of the story is, there will always be a few lemons no matter which model you pick up.

I don’t own any of the current problem discs, but my Pioneer has been pretty much trouble free and I would buy it again (hopefully at a cheaper price). My Oppo hasn’t burped once during my ownership, but if it did that would not be a surprise to me. Maybe frustrating, but trust me; not a surprise. The BD format is a moving target and most manufacturers are trying to keep up.

Respectfully,
Willie
post #19920 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Waterfront View Post

No change has been noticed about that point.
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I really think that has to do with the type of drive that Pioneer uses in their players. When reviewing the BDP-09FD "The Secrets" attributed the layer change slowness due to Pioneer using a BD recorder drive that would normally be found in a PC. I have only had one layer change that was really noticable enough to stand out as too long. Some of it is bad authoring on the DVD. If the layer change is in the middle of a scene, you notice it more than if it is when going from one scene to another.
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