Originally Posted by Padalec
"12 Rounds" does not play on my Pioneer BDP-51FD (1.32 installed) but is playing on Panasonic BDP-BD10A which is an older player. Best-Buy is selling 51FD for $ 200.00 and I was going to buy a second one for my bedroom, but not now. Long loading times (very long for FOX Blu-ray's) is not a problem, however if it doesn't play some movies at all it's a big problem. Now I have to wander if it's going to play it or not every time purchasing or renting a Blu-ray. I do not thing that Pioneer is releasing another update for 51FD because they stoped manufacturing it. I'm afraid that this format is not going to survive - too many issues!!!
Just wanted to give some feedback on Fox's 12 Rounds BD. I don't think we should be throwing all or maybe any of the blame on the players. This is becoming a habit with too many newer titles, but I'm getting different results on 3 different players with 12 Rounds. The players I have are the Pio 51FD, LG BH200 and Sammy 2550.
I don't care if it's playing perfectly on some players, there's something weird with this disk and it just serves as a testament to the quirky/crappy BD format, as well as Fox's particular method of mastering/protection. I should also mention that I just finished testing Street Fighter-Legend of Chun-Li, also a Fox title. This title appears to be mastered like 12 Rounds and seems to have the same BD+ protection???
First, Street Fighter. It loaded and played perfectly with no weird menu issues on all 3 of my players. With that being said, what appears to be a similarly mastered title, 12 Rounds yielded very different and strange results.
On the Pio 51, 12 Rounds loaded right to the main menu and when play was chosen, went to the very first 20th Century logo/FBI screen and hung. A reboot yielded the same results. On a third try, from the main menu scene selection, I chose chapter 2 and it went to chapter 2 and played the movie. However, the "graphic" from the menu would stay onscreen. Hitting popup menu did nothing. Ruined, don't know if it's worth putting this minor workaround as an addendum in post#7???
On the BH200, it loaded properly, went to the menu and played perfectly. However, it would not allow me to choose the popup menu at all. I could skip chapters with chapter skip, but no use of the popup menu.
Lastly, on the 2550, everything worked as it should, but not without some strangeness. After stopping and ejecting 12 Rounds, I put in the True Blood DVD which loaded but went to a black screen, requiring a reboot to get it to work.
This is really getting ridiculous, the BDA and the studios are the ones that should be held accountable. To coin the new word I learned years ago from the movie Heartbreak Ridge, (a fav of mine) BD is a real clusterf*#k. How many years is it going to take BD to mature? At this rate, it may well be dead at an early age. I shouldn't need 2 or 3 players to "almost" insure that I can properly play any movie that I choose.
Ok, I'm stepping off the soapbox.