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post #23671 of 30710
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Originally Posted by tjf1 View Post

I watched "State of Play" BD last night (Netflix Rental). On the first try, the player locked up on the Universal logo scene. I had to power the player down to get it to respond. On the second try, it played fine, until I hit pause about 3/4 of the way through. Instead of the normal Pioneer screen saver, it had a silver Universal screen saver. Hitting play would not bring it back to life, however hitting the popup menu button did. This is the first BD movie with which I've ever really had a problem.


Well looks like you got a lot further along that I did with this:

I have a BDP-51, and on a netflix "State of Play" which looked brand new to me, I got the message, 'can't play disc' on the unit and 'Cannot play this disc' on screen. This is the first time my player has choked on any disc, but I do avoid problem discs like 12 rounds. I tried many things to try to get the player to play it, I tried factory resets and so forth. nothing has worked.
post #23672 of 30710
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

In my mind...whichever unit has the best processing wins( receiver of Blu ray player)...regardless of acoustic calibration
You can always adjust the speaker levels with an SPL meter using the analog inputs of the 51/05
I for one don't think those automatic calibration units are mecca.
I had no issues with an SPL meter for calibration an old Chiro pre/pro and B&K amp I used to own

I'm not talking about basic speaker level setup. I'm talking about the whole host of other benefits than can come from applying some sort of room eq. An SPL meter can only be used to measure. It can't do anything about the actual problems, other than let you know they exist.

I don't think auto correction is necessarily the be-all-end-all either, but it does go way beyond just setting speaker levels. I'm just saying don't dismiss a digital connection so quickly. There can be very real benefits.


Scott
post #23673 of 30710
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Originally Posted by ssteel01 View Post

I don't think auto correction is necessarily the be-all-end-all either, but it does go way beyond just setting speaker levels. I'm just saying don't dismiss a digital connection so quickly. There can be very real benefits.

I agree. My Pioneer SC-07 will EQ based on three methods and the results are very different. For me the benefit is method #2 as the dialog is far superior and previously it wasn't even an issue.
post #23674 of 30710
Looks like the 23FD/320 players saw a firmware update posted to the Pioneer USA website in the last couple of days. Hopefully, the next version for the 51FD/05FD is coming soon!
post #23675 of 30710
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Originally Posted by strikefast View Post

Looks like the 23FD/320 players saw a firmware update posted to the Pioneer USA website in the last couple of days. Hopefully, the next version for the 51FD/05FD is coming soon!

Firmware for the 09 also posted. I would expect we should get something in the near future.
post #23676 of 30710
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Originally Posted by strikefast View Post

Looks like the 23FD/320 players saw a firmware update posted to the Pioneer USA website in the last couple of days. Hopefully, the next version for the 51FD/05FD is coming soon!

As I mentioned the 3.34 firmware brought much speedier times to the Pio 320. My powered off eject times dropped from 25-27 seconds to 18-19 seconds. Java disc load times dropped by 10 seconds for discs like Pirates 1.

Fingers crossed the speed will come to the 51 - my 51 takes 33 seconds for powered off eject with 1.33a
post #23677 of 30710
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

As I mentioned the 3.34 firmware brought much speedier times to the Pio 320. My powered off eject times dropped from 25-27 seconds to 18-19 seconds. Java disc load times dropped by 10 seconds for discs like Pirates 1.

Fingers crossed the speed will come to the 51 - my 51 takes 33 seconds for powered off eject with 1.33a

I wonder if the new firmware will actually speed up bootup time or will it just revert back to what it was before v1.33? My 51 with v1.32 boots up in about 20 seconds (I understand v1.33 added a bit of time to this).
post #23678 of 30710
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I wonder if the new firmware will actually speed up bootup time or will it just revert back to what it was before v1.33? My 51 with v1.32 boots up in about 20 seconds (I understand v1.33 added a bit of time to this).

my 51 pre 1.33a was around 26-27 seconds powered off eject and probably booted a few seconds quicker. 1.33 pushed it to 33 seconds, which was officially the slowest bd player i have owned (besting the LG BH200).
post #23679 of 30710
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Originally Posted by ssteel01 View Post

I'm not talking about basic speaker level setup. I'm talking about the whole host of other benefits than can come from applying some sort of room eq. An SPL meter can only be used to measure. It can't do anything about the actual problems, other than let you know they exist.

I don't think auto correction is necessarily the be-all-end-all either, but it does go way beyond just setting speaker levels. I'm just saying don't dismiss a digital connection so quickly. There can be very real benefits.


Scott

well...I will tell you...in my family room....which probably falls under one those "problem" room you mentioned. I ran Audessey 3-4 times on my Onkyo PRSC 885...and still wasn't satisfied...for one thing it miscalculated distances
So...what finally worked for me was running Audessey...then tweaking the results in the center and the right front channel
Now you can split hairs on which is the better acoustic calibration system...Audessey..MCACC..etc..etc. I have used both( I have both Onkyo and Pioneer Elite pieces)
They both work great in a square room where you sit in the center
My point here is that...the quality of the audio piece trumps any calibration set up...or more personally stated
An uncalibrated piece like an Anthem statement will always sound better than even my perfectly calibrated Onkyo PRSC885 pre/pro
So I am not sure that using the 51/05 using the analog outs is a bad idea...even if it means you give up acoustic calibration
All depending of course on what equipment you have

Warren
post #23680 of 30710
In my previous posts I had mentioned that I like to achieve analog out to L&R speakers with subwoofer. Typical CD output with pure direct turned on in Yamaha will result only L&R speakers active.

Finally made subwoofer also active without turning on any additional processing in Yami. Below are the setting:

Pio 51FD : Audio Priority is set to Analog and you speaker settings are set to Multi. Set main speakers 'small' and sub cut @ 80Hz (in my case).

Connect L&R RCA cales to Yami's multi channel input of L&R front. Also, connect another RCA to multi channel sub in. Connect another cable from subwoofer pre-out of Yamaha to the subwoofer in.

Yamaha 1800 : Set tonal control (bass & treble) to zero. Set main speakers small and subwoofer on.

In Yami, choose muti channel as source input to listen to song. When that happens, Yami will display 'Straight Analog'. You can't choose any DSP with that. Turning on 'Pure Direct' is optinal as multi channel straight analog doesn't do any further additional processing.

Now I hear both fronts and sub firing the sound . Now I have simple one volume control over both fronts and subwoofer. Also, Blu-ray through HDMI will also have low frequency through subwoofer as suppose to my previous configuration of connecting sub directly from 51FD.

Yamaha 1800 manual has detail information of multi channel setup. I believe pages 53 and 72.

Sleep time for me and forgive me if I had made any spelling mistakes...
post #23681 of 30710
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I wonder if the new firmware will actually speed up bootup time or will it just revert back to what it was before v1.33? My 51 with v1.32 boots up in about 20 seconds (I understand v1.33 added a bit of time to this).

From what I read in the BDP-09 thread - IT WON'T. In fact it will likely slow the player down a tad.

Pioneer does not appear to be focused on speed. They continue to work on compatibility issues. If you want speed forget the Pio units, get a Panny or an Oppo.

If you want to play T2 Salvation - this is likely the firmware for you.

I don't understand why people keep expecting a magic speed improvement on these units. They do their job well - albeit very slowly.
post #23682 of 30710
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

I don't understand why people keep execting a magic speed improvement on these units. They do their job well - albeit very slowly.


To start with, Pioneer told us at the beginning that there would be a significant speed improvement. Then a couple of months ago, it was mentioned again.

Maybe its just marketing or hype, but I wouldn't totally dismiss it.
post #23683 of 30710
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

From what I read in the BDP-09 thread - IT WON'T. In fact it will likely slow the player down a tad.

Pioneer does not appear to be focused on speed. They continue to work on compatibility issues. If you want speed forget the Pio units, get a Panny or an Oppo.

If you want to play T2 Salvation - this is likely the firmware for you.

I don't understand why people keep execting a magic speed improvement on these units. They do their job well - albeit very slowly.



Because that's what Pioneer said they would deliver and as yet have let us all down.
post #23684 of 30710
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

I don't understand why people keep execting a magic speed improvement on these units. They do their job well - albeit very slowly.

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

To start with, Pioneer told us at the beginning that there would be a significant speed improvement. Then a couple of months ago, it was mentioned again.

Maybe its just marketing or hype, but I wouldn't totally dismiss it.

I agree with JimP that we shouldn't totally dismiss the speed issue, because it is an issue for some. This was part of the selling point when the player was marketed. I know some of the fellow forum members have stated that speed is not an issue or they have accepted the player in its current state; however we shouldn't dismiss those who believe and want the performance upgrade that Pioneer promised and the speed that was marketed.

I personally have 2 other players that satisfy my need for speed, but that doesn't change the fact that I wish the Pioneer was faster.

Bottom line is that I don't think this player can be made SIGNIFICANTLY faster than it already is, because if it could I think they would have implemented this in firmware already.

Just my $.02.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #23685 of 30710
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I agree with JimP that we shouldn’t totally dismiss the speed issue, because it is an issue for some. This was part of the selling point when the player was marketed. I know some of the fellow forum members have stated that speed is not an issue or they have accepted the player in its current state; however we shouldn’t dismiss those who believe and want the performance upgrade that Pioneer promised and the speed that was marketed.

I personally have 2 other players that satisfy my need for speed, but that doesn’t change the fact that I wish the Pioneer was faster.

Bottom line is that I don’t think this player can be made SIGNIFICANTLY faster than it already is, because if it could I think they would have implemented this in firmware already.

Just my $.02.


Respectfully,
Willie

Not to beat a dead horse, but FW 3.34a did make a significant impact on power on and load times for the 320. the player is now roughly 15 seconds faster to eject the tray when powered off the than the 51 and 10-15 seconds faster on medium java discs than the 51. I am clocking on 18-19 second powered off eject times with my 320 with 3.34a; my 51 is 33-34 seconds with 1.34a.

I hope that pioneer will bring the 320's basic operational "quickness" (it's all relative) to the 51 in the finalized version of 1.33a.
post #23686 of 30710
Re: dmichael:
"Well looks like you got a lot further along that I did with this:

I have a BDP-51, and on a netflix "State of Play" which looked brand new to me, I got the message, 'can't play disc' on the unit and 'Cannot play this disc' on screen. This is the first time my player has choked on any disc, but I do avoid problem discs like 12 rounds. I tried many things to try to get the player to play it, I tried factory resets and so forth. nothing has worked."

I had the same issue with the Netflix BD "Interview With A Vampire", it also froze the player. I reported the problem, they sent a replacement, it played fine.
One thing I noticed which might not mean anything, the defective BD had Netflix's white inner label glued on top, the replacement (that played) did not.
post #23687 of 30710
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Originally Posted by aandpwoodley View Post

Because that's what Pioneer said they would deliver and as yet have let us all down.

Thank You!!!

For starters on the 09 2.58 seems to offer no improvement in regards to speed and is slower to power on. Having paid $1700-$2200 owners are either brainwashed or in denial to accept the fact that far cheaper players outperform theirs in certain areas.

Now 3.34a has shown some good strides in these regards for the 320/23FD, but Pioneer was flooded with calls and e-mails from unhappy consumers so Pioneer had to get off their ass and make good on the product.

The 05/51 player was marketed as one of the fastest on the market circa summer 2008. Quite simply it is easily the slowest of the bunch compared to players released last year.

http://gizmodo.com/387893/pioneer-co...ming-this-fall
They use a totally new chipset, and have been built anew from ground up. Pioneer is apparently the first to be using it, though they may soon build other brands' players with this same platform. What that means is that the players boot up in 14 seconds, and Java loading is dramatically improved. What took over a minute can be done in 8 seconds, says Walker.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07...u-ray-players/
The other new focus is speed, as Pioneer seems confident that both players will be some of the fastest in the industry, boasting 15-second eject from off times and 22-second disc load times.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/homecinema/0...9300095,00.htm
#7 Pioneer BDP-LX71
Price: £600
BD Profile: 1.1
Time to load and play test disc: 1 minute 54 seconds
Our score: 8.5
A shame then it's slower than a one-legged horse with bad knees.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post15529842
Hi Ruined,

You are correct, the BDP-320 and the BDP-23FD are using the same chip that is found in the BDP-05FD and the BDP-51FD... We will see speed improvements with these model, however we will also see speed improvements for the 51 and 05 in February with a new firmware release (Purely optimization)....

Chris

I have had this player over a year now and have been more than patient with this product. It is no different than the DTS-HD upgrade, if the player can't deliver Don't Advertise It! Yes I find waiting 28 seconds as the chapter menu goes from one scene to the next simple unacceptable in the popup menu for Planet Terror especially for a Pioneer Elite product. I am still waiting for 15 second eject from off times and 22 second disc load times as well and no I am not talking compact disc, I am talking bluray.

I believe the start up times and java times will decrease with the new engine as they did with the 23FD. Now if they could improve the disc recognition which is beyond slow we are in good shape. DVD's should not take 30+ seconds to load. I am hoping for the best. We will see.
post #23688 of 30710
There is one hardware area that may impact speed on the 51 vs. the 320, which is local RAM on the mobo (not talking about the SD card here). Apparently the 51 has significantly less builtin RAM. So, it may not be possible for the 51 to be as fast as the 320. However using the same SoC its difficult to believe that it would be 3x slower given that, seems like a firmware issue.
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Re: dmichael:
"Well looks like you got a lot further along that I did with this:

I have a BDP-51, and on a netflix "State of Play" which looked brand new to me, I got the message, 'can't play disc' on the unit and 'Cannot play this disc' on screen. This is the first time my player has choked on any disc, but I do avoid problem discs like 12 rounds. I tried many things to try to get the player to play it, I tried factory resets and so forth. nothing has worked."

I had the same issue with the Netflix BD "Interview With A Vampire", it also froze the player. I reported the problem, they sent a replacement, it played fine.
One thing I noticed which might not mean anything, the defective BD had Netflix's white inner label glued on top, the replacement (that played) did not.

State of Play worked fine for me, Rental from Blockbuster
post #23690 of 30710
I had a similar problem with State Of Play until a cleared the persistent storage. I got the message "can't play disk". I tried it several times and the same message came up. I even cleaned the disk and got the same message. As soon as a cleared the storage it worked with no problem.
post #23691 of 30710
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

State of Play worked fine for me, Rental from Blockbuster

same here, no problems, rented from family video. great movie
post #23692 of 30710
I have been away from this thread for awhile.
Is the 320 on par with the 51 performance wise?
I would swap my 51 for 320 if I get a quicker machine- but i d not want to lose the outstanding upscale performance I get from the 51 on SD DVD's.
How is the SD performance with the 320?
I am sending picture to a Pioneer Kuro pro 111FD
post #23693 of 30710
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Originally Posted by bokes View Post

I have been away from this thread for awhile.
Is the 320 on par with the 51 performance wise?
I would swap my 51 for 320 if I get a quicker machine- but i d not want to lose the outstanding upscale performance I get from the 51 on SD DVD's.
How is the SD performance with the 320?
I am sending picture to a Pioneer Kuro pro 111FD

I would save my money for the next generation machine. There is not enough difference IMHO.
post #23694 of 30710
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Originally Posted by bokes View Post

I have been away from this thread for awhile.
Is the 320 on par with the 51 performance wise?
I would swap my 51 for 320 if I get a quicker machine- but i d not want to lose the outstanding upscale performance I get from the 51 on SD DVD's.
How is the SD performance with the 320?
I am sending picture to a Pioneer Kuro pro 111FD

While I agree there is no reason to upgrade unless you need to fit in a tighter space or are really fired about bd live, the pioneer 320 has identical performance in regard to upscaling and bd playback in both real-world and synthetic content. Both are excellent. The 320 is a lot quicker with 3.34, but I would hold on to your 51. For a buyer considering a 51 or a 320, I would steer them based upon preferences (ie cd playback versus speed).
post #23695 of 30710
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Originally Posted by Rob West View Post

One thing I noticed which might not mean anything, the defective BD had Netflix's white inner label glued on top, the replacement (that played) did not.

I noticed that white sticker label too, never noticed those before.


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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I had a similar problem with State Of Play until a cleared the persistent storage. I got the message "can't play disk". I tried it several times and the same message came up. I even cleaned the disk and got the same message. As soon as a cleared the storage it worked with no problem.

How do you clear the storage? I did several factory resets, shouldn't that have cleared everything?
post #23696 of 30710
I have the BDP-51 hooked up to my Pioneer AVR via HDMI for both audio/video using Energy/HSU 5.1 speakers. I want to hook up another set of speakers( Vandersteen) for purely CD playback using the analog connections. What is the best way to connect this? Is there a way to use my HSU 3.3 sub to work with my vandersteen and Energy speakers using both analog and HDMI connections?
post #23697 of 30710
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Originally Posted by dmichael View Post




How do you clear the storage? I did several factory resets, shouldn't that have cleared everything?

From the stop position, hit tools and scroll down to delete BDMV data. I'm not sure a factory reset deletes this data, but its easy enough to do.
post #23698 of 30710
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

From the stop position, hit tools and scroll down to delete BDMV data. I'm not sure a factory reset deletes this data, but its easy enough to do.

Thanks, shouldn't this get added to post #7, it might have saved me from sending back a BD disc without ever getting to watch it.
post #23699 of 30710
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

State of Play worked fine for me, Rental from Blockbuster

Same here, blockbuster rental. But then I had no trouble with 12 rounds either.
post #23700 of 30710
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Originally Posted by dmichael View Post

Thanks, shouldn't this get added to post #7, it might have saved me from sending back a BD disc without ever getting to watch it.

Or you could just look in the manual. It's mentioned several times in there and give details on how to do it on page 24. If you don't have the manual, you can download it from Pioneer.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...G+INSTRUCTIONS
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