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post #25501 of 30449
12/25/09 at 10:53am
Hello,
For all of those who think that the 51/05 just is a big box with nothing in it:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...dp51fd_1.shtml
The internal pictures show the large BD Drive and for a BDP, a large capacitor.
I would have translated the link, but when I do, it results in a broken link.
These pictures really show that the 51/05 is not a large box with nothing in it.

Here is a link with internal pictures of the BDP-320:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...r_bdp320.shtml
When translated, Area DVD rates the BDP-320 highly as well.

I just wanted to post these links because I have read so many comments that the 51/05 is just a large box with nothing in it whereas it is a well made component with excellent build quality.
Cheers,
AD
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post #25502 of 30449
12/25/09 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
For all of those who think that the 51/05 just is a big box with nothing in it:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...dp51fd_1.shtml
The internal pictures show the large BD Drive and for a BDP, a large capacitor.
I would have translated the link, but when I do, it results in a broken link.
These pictures really show that the 51/05 is not a large box with nothing in it.

Here is a link with internal pictures of the BDP-320:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...r_bdp320.shtml
When translated, Area DVD rates the BDP-320 highly as well.

I just wanted to post these links because I have read so many comments that the 51/05 is just a large box with nothing in it whereas it is a well made component with excellent build quality.
Cheers,
AD

Dude you rock! I knew bigger was better- you proved it. I'm glad I kept mine. Did you see my other post? I got the bdp-23 for less than a hundred 2 days ago. Its probably going in my bedroom.
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post #25503 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:04pm
Hello,
Wait. You found a BDP-23 for under 100 Dollars? If so, that is an amazing deal. Never even heard of anyone getting one that cheap.
Cheers,
AD
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post #25504 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:04pm
Hi, I can buy 320 and 51FD for same price.
If I going to use the 2channel analogue out (no HDMI support in my preamp) and value 2channel sound from both BD and DVD high - what player should I buy?

DVD playback picture quality is also important...
Thanks!
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post #25505 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by Film Enthusiast View Post

Hi, I can buy 320 and 51FD for same price.
If I going to use the 2channel analogue out (no HDMI support in my preamp) and value 2channel sound from both BD and DVD high - what player should I buy?

DVD playback picture quality is also important...
Thanks!

Not sure you can find a new 51 anymore. Probably have to buy that used unless you're lucky.
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post #25506 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:11pm
Hello,
I would absolutely get the BDP-51 in that situation. The Wolfson 8740 DAC's in the BDP-51 are truly premium DAC's that are featured in Players costing thousands of Dollars. CD Playback is excellent and even though I have 7 different Players, primarily use my 51 as my main CD Player. I would use my 05, but that is setup in by Bedroom system because of the amber illumination not matching the rest of my gear in my HT.

The video quality on the 51 is fantastic and thanks to the latest firmware, no longer has a layer change pause. Before this update, the BDP-51 received a score of 85% on Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity DVD Benchmark.
Cheers,
AD
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post #25507 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:26pm
Hello,
Angelsfan, I read your post about how you procured your BDP-23 for 100 Dollars. God Bless the lack of enthusiasm of the common Best Buy Employee.

Does your 23 have the correct Owners Manual and Remote Control? Regardless, that is a major score thanks to the screwup of an Employee.

In all truth, if money is an issue, I would return the BDP-05 and get your 200 Dollars back. I love my BDP-05 and absolutely prefer it to the BDP-23, but you just scored a current 600 Dollar BDP for 100 Dollars.

Another option is to sell your BDP-23 on Audiogon. After selling the 23, you should get the BDP-05 for free and have some money left over to buy Blu Rays.
Cheers,
AD
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post #25508 of 30449
12/25/09 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Film Enthusiast View Post

Hi, I can buy 320 and 51FD for same price.
If I going to use the 2channel analogue out (no HDMI support in my preamp) and value 2channel sound from both BD and DVD high - what player should I buy?

DVD playback picture quality is also important...
Thanks!

51FD no contest.
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post #25509 of 30449
12/25/09 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
Angelsfan, I read your post about how you procured your BDP-23 for 100 Dollars. God Bless the lack of enthusiasm of the common Best Buy Employee.

Does your 23 have the correct Owners Manual and Remote Control? Regardless, that is a major score thanks to the screwup of an Employee.

In all truth, if money is an issue, I would return the BDP-05 and get your 200 Dollars back. I love my BDP-05 and absolutely prefer it to the BDP-23, but you just scored a current 600 Dollar BDP for 100 Dollars.

Another option is to sell your BDP-23 on Audiogon. After selling the 23, you should get the BDP-05 for free and have some money left over to buy Blu Rays.
Cheers,
AD
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It's funny how life works! I was on the fence about taking back the BDP-05 for the BDP-23, now I get to keep both! I did get the correct remote, RCA cables (useless), new batteries (wow), and paper work. It was all just in a BDP-120 box. She (the employee) didn't even look in the box. In all fairness, I did open it to show her nothing else was inside. It could have had something even more expensive in it- Maybe the Pioneer Elite PRO-141 that i'm waiting for them to drop the price on. J/K LoL.
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post #25510 of 30449
12/25/09 at 1:55pm
Hello,
That is an excellent Christmas present to yourself. Very cool.
Cheers,
JJ
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post #25511 of 30449
12/25/09 at 2:53pm
Every time I open the top lid of 51FD I am just amazed at the quality of parts Pioneer used in a $599.00 player. Rubycon caps all over the power supply board, completely separated analog audio board & the layout of analog audio board. By comparison the analog audio board of 23FD seems to be engineered to meet a price point. 51FD is going to become a classic if it already isn't. In direct comparison I like the sound of the analog section of 51FD over 23FD.
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post #25512 of 30449
12/25/09 at 4:09pm
Hello,
There really is something special to the 51/05. I have Players which retailed for multiples of the 51, but I almost invariably use the 51 for music and movies.

They simply look and feel like quality components. It was a wonderful gift from Pioneer that layer changes went from 2 seconds to about zero. It does beg the question why it was not optimized at launch.

I honestly think with the time of release of the 51/05 pretty much corresponding with the demise of the Plasma Division and the Global Financial Crisis that Pioneer was in dire straits. Heck, many speculated about the survival of the Company itself. Perhaps resources were so tight that R&D took a back seat.

I realize that this does not admonish Pioneer of guilt for releasing the Players lacking DTS HD and long layer changes, but perhaps explains why.

And I also realize that some may never purchase another Pioneer product due to the delays/issues as has been posted here so many times.
Cheers,
AD
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post #25513 of 30449
12/25/09 at 4:09pm
This player is getting better and better with FW upgrades, it is my dedicated CD and BD player, when this player came out with Wolfson DAC with $599 price it was appealing, but with price fell down to sub $300 it was even better, even though people were complaining for its slowness i picked two of them for both my tvs. If one appreciates better sound quality from CD you will appreciate this CD player. My Mp3s are decoded at high bit rate and this player plays them very well with analogue out. I use Yamaha RX1700, Definitive tech Mythos speakers with super cube sub.
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post #25514 of 30449
12/25/09 at 4:20pm
I posted earlier that I bought 2 51fds earlier this year from 6th ave, one is still in the box. I AM NOT TRYING TO SELL IT HERE, the earlier post seems to have been deleted.

Anyway I was going to pair the second one with a 37" plasma in my bedroom but don't watch many movies there. I only have a left, right and center in the bedroom. The 1st one is connected to a 60" Pioneer Elite 151, and loving it even with the slowness, I've never noticed layer changes much if at all.

I guess I will connect it in the bedroom beside the apple tv there, more options are good right,
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post #25515 of 30449
12/25/09 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

At this point, you might want to consider waiting. 3D BluRay players are coming out next year.

Actually, changed my mind about the Oppo. I'll probably sell the 51FD and go for a Dune BR/HD player (depending on if it does everything my XBMC does). Is it against the rules to try and sell it in this forum?
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post #25516 of 30449
12/25/09 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
For all of those who think that the 51/05 just is a big box with nothing in it:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...dp51fd_1.shtml
The internal pictures show the large BD Drive and for a BDP, a large capacitor.
I would have translated the link, but when I do, it results in a broken link.
These pictures really show that the 51/05 is not a large box with nothing in it.

Here is a link with internal pictures of the BDP-320:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/...r_bdp320.shtml
When translated, Area DVD rates the BDP-320 highly as well.

I just wanted to post these links because I have read so many comments that the 51/05 is just a large box with nothing in it whereas it is a well made component with excellent build quality.
Cheers,
AD

Ad,

Thanks for the links, but now it's a big box with something in it. Also, I think the layout warranted a bigger box. Last, unless I'm mistaken I thought the BDP-320 had a 7.1 analog connection, but I don't see them in the photo.


Respectfully,
Willie
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post #25517 of 30449
12/26/09 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Ad,

Thanks for the links, but now it's a big box with something in it. Also, I think the layout warranted a bigger box. Last, unless I'm mistaken I thought the BDP-320 had a 7.1 analog connection, but I don't see them in the photo.


Respectfully,
Willie

Hi Willie,

the european model of the BDP-320 lacks the 7.1 analog connection. That's the reason why you don't see them on the photos of the german web site.

Ciao,
Jens
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post #25518 of 30449
12/26/09 at 5:36am
I have a preamp without HDMI, is 51FD delivering a downmix out on the 2channel analogue outputs? I.e. including the sub bass info?
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post #25519 of 30449
12/26/09 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by jd68 View Post

Hi Willie,

the european model of the BDP-320 lacks the 7.1 analog connection. That's the reason why you don't see them on the photos of the german web site.

Ciao,
Jens

Jens,

Thanks. The US website also shows the BDP-320 wihout the 7.1 analog. Are there features on the European version that are not on the US version?


Respectfully,
Willie
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post #25520 of 30449
12/26/09 at 7:07am
I have an older VSX 74TXVi. Would there be any advantage for me if I purchase any of the Pioneer BDP players over the LG390?
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post #25521 of 30449
12/26/09 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Film Enthusiast View Post

I have a preamp without HDMI, is 51FD delivering a downmix out on the 2channel analogue outputs? I.e. including the sub bass info?

You might try doing a search on this thread as I believe this has been discussed quite a bit before. I forget who it was that did quite a bit of testing on this.

If I remember correctly, the 2 channel outputs are the same as the L&R multichannel outputs. They really aren't "dedicated" in the true sense. If you are using the 51's bass management and have the L&R speakers set to "small", then you will not have any bass output at the 2 channel outputs.
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post #25522 of 30449
12/26/09 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Film Enthusiast View Post

I have a preamp without HDMI, is 51FD delivering a downmix out on the 2channel analogue outputs? I.e. including the sub bass info?

The Dolby Digital spec indicates that the sub-bass info must be thrown away when downmixing (to prevent overload of typical 2ch systems). If you want the sub-bass info you'd have to mix it in yourself with something like this:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHRX1602

Plus, getting that box would allow you to compensate for the drop in LFE level over multich analogs.
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post #25523 of 30449
12/26/09 at 9:00am
I loaded the 1.38 fw, and now I am having freezing and pausing problems, I did not have with 1.37. Can I revert back to 1.37?
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post #25524 of 30449
12/26/09 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by Cobra30 View Post

I loaded the 1.38 fw, and now I am having freezing and pausing problems, I did not have with 1.37. Can I revert back to 1.37?

Nope, I'd setup a repair order w/ Pioneer. Even if you did revert, it likely would not help as these sort of problems are 99% of the time not firmware related when very few people are experiencing them - onset is likely just a coincidence. If you did have a problem that was caused by a firmware update you would usually not be able to use the player at all/no response - caused by failed EEPROM chip or the like.

You could try a full player reset as described in post #7, but your problem sounds like a hardware issue - failing SoC or optical assembly.
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post #25525 of 30449
12/26/09 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I wonder if there is some difference in our players, or perhaps our mail handlers here are rougher than yours? It's seem's about 10% of BDs I get from Netlix will exhibit some kind of problem usually in the form of freezing for a few moments or I'll have to skip the part where it freezes. I haven't had one flat out refuse to play, however. When it comes to new BDs (I think I have about 30 or so), like you, I've never had a problem.

LOL.......I did a quick check the other day and found I have alot more BDs than I thought (61!). And that doesn't count the bunch I got for Christmas.
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post #25526 of 30449
12/26/09 at 11:45am
I haven't been to this thread for a while. I'm happy to see there is a new firmware release for the 51/05. I burned it today and updated my 51. Yep, this brought the DVD layer change down to nothing or fractions of a second. I used Star Wars Ep II as my test - I couldn't detect the layer change after I downloaded 1.38. I take this to be an encouraging sign that Pioneer is still willing to fix the known problems with these units. I was beginning to wonder as time went by if Pioneer would bother to address the issues we have with this player.

So, one down, two to go. I'd love it if they could speed up the power on/disc recognition times and improve the error correction ability for all types of discs. After all, the load time/disc recognition times increased about 10 - 15 seconds going from v1.36 to v 1.37, so we know this player platform can be speedier than it is now.

Pioneer - thank you for this performance update. Let's hope these other two performance enhancement requests on your 2010 New Year's resolution list !

Bill
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post #25527 of 30449
12/26/09 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by storman View Post

I haven't been to this thread for a while. I'm happy to see there is a new firmware release for the 51/05. I burned it today and updated my 51. Yep, this brought the DVD layer change down to nothing or fractions of a second. I used Star Wars Ep II as my test - I couldn't detect the layer change after I downloaded 1.38. I take this to be an encouraging sign that Pioneer is still willing to fix the known problems with these units. I was beginning to wonder as time went by if Pioneer would bother to address the issues we have with this player.

So, one down, two to go. I'd love it if they could speed up the power on/disc recognition times and improve the error correction ability for all types of discs. After all, the load time/disc recognition times increased about 10 - 15 seconds going from v1.36 to v 1.37, so we know this player platform can be speedier than it is now.

Pioneer - thank you for this performance update. Let's hope these other two performance enhancement requests on your 2010 New Year's resolution list !

Bill

significant speed improvements might be hamstrung by hardware limitations. The pioneer 320/23 received a significant speed upgrade two firmware updates ago. It reduced powered off eject times from 26 seconds to now just over 18 seconds. this is nearly half the time of the 51/05 from my last measurement of 34 seconds. disc load times show a narrower gap with the 320/23 outpacing the 51/05 by 10-15 seconds depending on the disc.
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post #25528 of 30449
12/26/09 at 1:00pm
I'd be happy if they could bring down the Power off - Eject times to around 15 - 18 seconds and something similar to that for disc recognition. Nearly a full minute to play a CD at times can try my patience, although the reward of beautiful playback through the analog outputs makes me forgive them, slightly. For movies, I don't mind because we can go off and do other things like get snacks, drinks, etc. I was grateful, too, of the improvement in Java load times with the last firmware release.

Bill
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post #25529 of 30449
12/26/09 at 5:12pm
I have an Australian bd51f and updated to the 1.38, all went good.
Checked some layer changes and could not detect any, how good is that?

Big thumbs up to Pioneer for doing this, it was the only issue i had with the player, everything else to me is awesome...
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post #25530 of 30449
12/26/09 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Be careful when switching to the Euro model (WV5), as more than one person has received a "mode not supported" message from their display because of the 50hz refresh rate.

Heh, may be that is a reason why US BDP-05FD is lack of DivX support, while european/russian models support this codec? I wonder, may be there is a way to unlock such refresh rate mode in display, juct like in Blu-Ray players....

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Originally Posted by JZ1276 View Post

I'm thinking about selling my Pioneer because MKV formats are not supported and buying the Oppo (or Samsung). Anyone think theres a chance of Pioneer releasing firmware to support MKV files?

I think they won't add such thing, since MKV is not commercial container (what means that there is no technical support and, what a lot worse, there is no solid standartisation of content lies inside of it. Just imagine - there is a lot of files stored in MKV. And most of them are created with completely different settings. Some of such settings are even violated BD encoding profiles^_^).

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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
For all of those who think that the 51/05 just is a big box with nothing in it:

This "box" is almost empty. And fan is controlled by CPU (not Renesas CPU!) without any temperature monitoring - there is not a single thermoresistor inside.

UPD:
For tech geeks or just those, who are interested in FW evolution:

Code:
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HDMV            08120501        09073001        09111301
BD-J            08120101        09082701        09102801
YFS             08111001        09071501        09071501
Driver          08042407        08122601        08122601
IDE             08101001        08101001        08101001
Linux Kernel    08101001        09052801        09052801
Direct FB       08091601        09022401        09022401
AACS            08103001        09031601        09031601
BD+             08071701        08112801        08112801
M32R1 BD        08120502        09090701        09111701
M32R1 Red       08120502        09090701        09111701

M32R2           08120502        09090101        09110401
ES SET          2.3             2.3             2.3
Fomat is YYMMDDVV, where is YY is year, MM is month, DD is a day and VV is a version.
While drive firmware version are still unchanged, some modules has been updated
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