Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA - Page 852

Ruined, the ISO worked like a charm! Thank you, thank you, thank you...

Willie,

I don't know of any other differences between the European and the US version of the BDP-320. But since I don't own a BDP-320, I don't know every detail.

Ciao,
Jens

Did you use Ruined's ISO or download from a Pioneer site?

great info. thanks for posting

Has anyone heard anything on pioneers 2010 players? I'm just curious if they will be rebranded sharps or truly pioneers.

I've been reluctant to upgrade to 1.32 and beyond because of the increased power on/off times.

For 1.38, do you guys really think that improving the layer change times is worth the tradeoff ? Somehow I just can't justify it yet.

Java was much better in firmware 1.37 and 1.38 is a very nice upgrade.
So I will say Yes it is worth it.

Yes, i used Ruined's ISO link that was posted in this thread, as it was stated it is the same setup/install as previous firmwares, while the japans version you need to install it a bit differently, and i didnt want to risk it do it that way.

Ruined is a champ for fixing us up with the ISO setup version

[quote=Ruined;17789174]The Dolby Digital spec indicates that the sub-bass info must be thrown away when downmixing (to prevent overload of typical 2ch systems).

That's interesting. Do you know if dts handles it the same way?

yes.

The frequencies that's been thrown away are only the LFE channel which not be confused with subwoofer frequencies. The sub handles BOTH subwoofer frequencies at + LFE at 15dB louder.

WOW! Thanks a lot for posting.

I am now even MORE HAPPY for getting my BDP05 at around $240 this summer. If you compared the Analog out of BDP-05FD vs. 320, it's like a night and day difference! Same thing for Power supply and other parts!

Too bad people couldn't understand/appreciate the quality of 51/05 for it to be discounted so heavily and possibly discontinued. Only if they could make sure the speed and smaller issues were fixed sooner, people wouldn't have bashed it as much.

Awesome! Makes me not look for another player for a long long time now!

the 51/05 is definitely well built, but i would guess that roughly 1/3 of the chassis is occupied. the pictures above are a bit misleading on the 320 side in that the analogue section is not pictured since it's the european model without 7.1 analogues.

it is a night and day difference since the attached is not the north american 320/23 and is lacking the 7.1 analogue section our models have!!!

If you watch many DVDs, or if the long layer change on some DVDs bothers you, then yes, it more than makes up for the longer bootup time. This was a big enough issue for me that early this year I got tired of waiting for a fix and purchased a separate DVD player to handle all DVD duties.


Daniel is right. Version 1.37 made significant improvements in load times for Java heavy BDs. Combine that with v1.38's seemless DVD layer changes and you have a much more significant improvement than some previous firmware updates. IMO, the longer bootup time is a small price to pay for such improvements.

For me, the only real problem left to fix is BD error correction. Faster bootup and load times would just be icing on the cake. I should note here that I'm using a 5.1 system and am not affected by the DTS issue playing 5.1 DTS tracks on a 7.1 system. Those that use such a system would probably want that issue fixed as well (see post #7).

I agree. Thanks Ruined for the ISO and all the hours of work you have put into this forum.

You are indeed, a champ!

I am now the proud owner of both the BDP-05 & the BDP-23. I find the 23 to be similar to my 05 in Picture quality, SD DVD upscaling, CD listening etc. I'm not too into BD Live. The LAN connections are convenient, but not a deal breaker. After closely following both the BDP-51/05 thread and the BDP-320/23 thread the last couple of weeks, alot of members believe one is better than the other. I personally believe you can't go wrong with either one as they are very similar. The only reason I got the 23 was because it was $99 bucks and I needed a replacement player in my bedroom, but that being said I don't prefer one to the other so far. I say buy which ever one you can get for cheaper.

P.S. The whole BDP-05 empty box debate- I find it hard to believe that the designers at PIONEER would needlessly waste material to create a larger enclosure for one of its products when it does not serve a purpose. I may be wrong, but think about it.

For those, who have eagle eyes^_^ Do you see an empty place near drive? It's on the right side of drive, if watch on it from front panel... Since IDE allowed to install 2 devices on single channel... May be Pioneer planned to add HDD up here?
About BDP-320/23 - it's a modern model and i don't think there will be 7.1 analog output.
And one more thing about initial boot up - BDP-05/51/LX08/LX71 have single parallel type Flash ROM. While 320/23 have 2 boot devices - one is parallel Flash ROM for IPL and SD card for main firmware. So i've don't think that Pioneer will make 05/51/71 booting up faster, than it does%_% Only internal improvements will arrive.

Same here. Thank you Ruined! Now off to my in-laws later to get them 1.38!!!!

Dave

The error correction really needs to be worked on, yesterday I tried to watch the Netflix BD "Tell No One", would play fine for a while then no picture, sound would continue. Cleaned it a 3rd time, worked for a while then near the end no picture. Put in my PC LG BluRay and it played fine with no problems.
Cleaning the BD usually works, but restarting a film 3 times is aggravating.

FYI: BDP 51D / Firmware v1.37

Been away for quite awhile, thought I'd check in since it looks like new FW is coming out for the 09/05/51 players.

Still the same discussion about disc playback issues

My 05 has been packed away for close to 10 months, since I bought the 09 early this yr. I originally was keeping it as a spare, but if anyone is interested in buying a lightly used 05 in great shape, I'd be happy to sell it

It was a nice player, very high build quality, but I moved on. The 09 has been flawless, no hiccups, no lockups. Its BD-R drive really makes a difference, but of course it comes at a price.

Glad new FW that continues to improves these players is on the way.

ss9001

Regarding the debate about the chassis & internals of 51FD & 23FD, if you look inside the chassis of both models, 51FD perhaps needed more space as the audio & video sections are completely separated especially the analog audio board whereas in 23FD everything is jampacked on the same small board i.e. analog audio, digital audio & analog video. The layout of the analog audio board of 51FD also seems more well thought out. How does it sound? Lets just say I prefer the sound of 51FD over 23FD using analog mch out. Maybe its those Wolfson DAC's.

There is NO difference between SATA drives in BDP-05/51/LX71, only some changes in firmware (by the way drives in BDP-05/51/LX08/LX71/LX91 are recorders with software locked ability to write^_^). If you mean old drives, which was IDE, than i will agree with you^_^ SATA drives are bit better, than IDE.

angelsfann02,

I'm not sure if I read it on this thread or another thread that some manufacturers (I don't recall if Pioneer specifically was mentioned) actually have used larger boxes and added additional unnecessary weight to their product to give the impression of better build quality. I know there are those that buy into the heavier the component the better the build quality. However, I personally do not.


Respectfully,
Willie

Maybe you've mis-interpreted my comment, my friend

I never said the drives in the 05 and in the 51 were different. Just so you know, I've been on this thread since practically the beginning since I was an early adopter of the 05, one of the 1st to get one in the US, so I've read a whole lot of posts about them

What has been confirmed is that the drives in the 05/51 are 1st gen BD-ROM drives. These players have had a higher rate of playback problems than many other players.

What I did say is the BDP-09 has a different BD-R drive. Nothing to do with SATA vs IDE bus. Your comment about software locked is of course, true.

It has been stated by many people that BD-R drives need tighter error correction since they have to read discs recorded by other recorders. Also, it's not just a matter of FW, there are closer drive tolerances as well.

The BDP-09 has been much more tolerant of disc issues and less playback problems - proved by the track records of both players. Many 05/51 owners have had problems since the day they came out, while the 09 has been practically trouble-free.

Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say for you.

ss9001

They just recently put the 1.38 fw update on the us site.

pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/Blu-rayDisc+DVD/PioneerBlu-rayDiscPlayers/ci.BDP-51FD.Kuro?tab=F

pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/Blu-rayDisc+DVD/EliteBlu-rayDiscPlayers/ci.BDP-05FD.Kuro?tab=F

^^
Good news & thanks for the update

Got it!

[quote=angelsfann02;17797658]I am now the proud owner of both the BDP-05 & the BDP-23. I find the 23 to be similar to my 05 in Picture quality, SD DVD upscaling, CD listening etc. I'm not too into BD Live. The LAN connections are convenient, but not a deal breaker. After closely following both the BDP-51/05 thread and the BDP-320/23 thread the last couple of weeks, alot of members believe one is better than the other. I personally believe you can't go wrong with either one as they are very similar. The only reason I got the 23 was because it was $99 bucks and I needed a replacement player in my bedroom, but that being said I don't prefer one to the other so far. I say buy which ever one you can get for cheaper. QUOTE]

That is probably the truest statement in this debate.

raniel, the us/canada 320/23s have 7.1 ch analogues. european models do not.

ie the debate about the denon 2500 and the panasonic 30.

Thanks for the posting. It good that Ruined posted the firmware and I believe the release notes if I'm not mistaken, because the US site really doesn't tells you much.


Respectfully,
Willie