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post #26701 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Yoeddy1 View Post

I've done this several times. Download and install Euro firmware as an interim upgrade, and once the US version releases, I do it again to bring my US player up to the official US firmware. Haven't had any problems.

Doing it now, will report back.


Excellent idea!

I was thinking of resetting the firmware to the DEFAULT setting on my 05 but don't think we can do that. If we can reset to the DEFAULT firmware version, we just have to reinstall to the latest US firmware version which is the 1.65.
post #26702 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Yoeddy1 View Post

I've done this several times. Download and install Euro firmware as an interim upgrade, and once the US version releases, I do it again to bring my US player up to the official US firmware. Haven't had any problems.

Doing it now, will report back.

Good to know! Let us know how it goes!
post #26703 of 30452
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Excellent idea!

I was thinking of resetting the firmware to the DEFAULT setting on my 05 but don't think we can do that. If we can reset to the DEFAULT firmware version, we just have to reinstall to the latest US firmware version which is the 1.65.

You may have more of a chance making trouble for yourself resetting than just leaving the Euro 1.65 alone. But the US 1.65 seems to write over the Euro, so this may be a moot point.
post #26704 of 30452
Well if people are saying the American writes over the Euro I'll give it a go as well. *crosses fingers* American version disc going in now.. will report back.
post #26705 of 30452
I have no problem playing this on my BDP-51FD with the FW 1.39. It loaded just like my other blurays, I have no problem selecting on from the menu, I can chapter forward and change the audio selection. I haven't watched the movie all the way thru yet.
I just checked the movie and it froze. I'll update the player.
post #26706 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Yoeddy1 View Post

I've done this several times. Download and install Euro firmware as an interim upgrade, and once the US version releases, I do it again to bring my US player up to the official US firmware. Haven't had any problems.

Doing it now, will report back.

Worked fine overwriting Euro 1.65 with US 1.65 as it had with previous versions.
post #26707 of 30452
I wish Pioneer would stop releasing firmware updates just to keep the inevitable 'how do I update', 'why should I update', 'what if I don't update', 'will I get in trouble for d/l'ing files from another continent', 'how do I burn the firmware to disc', 'yippee, everything works fine after I updated' posts from filling this thread for the next few days.

post #26708 of 30452
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Originally Posted by ToSi View Post

I wish Pioneer would stop releasing firmware updates just to keep the inevitable 'how do I update', 'why should I update', 'what if I don't update', 'will I get in trouble for d/l files from another continent', 'how do I burn the firmware to disc' posts from filling this thread.

Maybe, but this thread has been dead lately anyway. Besides it feels like a reunion for me.
post #26709 of 30452
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Originally Posted by math-geek View Post

You guys have been busy in my absence! It took me awhile to catch up on all of the action.

The 51FD is still going strong in my system. It never ceases to amaze me how good the 51 is as a CD player. Most people with a Krell/Dynaudio system would use an expensive CD player, I just use an expensive sounding player. The 51 acquits itself beautifully in the company of a better than 6k 2-channel system. I watch maybe two movies per week but music I listen to daily and the 51 has to rate as one of my finest purchases.

Some of you guys that are really into audio owe it to yourselves to try a pair of Dynaudio speakers. Though they may seem pricey they perform at a level above their price. I owned numerous floorstanders, Definitive Technology, PSB, Paradigm, DCM, and none matched the imaging and startling clarity of my Dynaudios. To be fair my Contour 1.3 SEs sold for $3500/pair in 2000 but they are monitors of diminutive dimensions (15"x8"x11"). Their bass extension alone would make many floorstanders envious, mids and highs are exemplary but what makes them truly amazing is the prodigous dymanics that they are capable of. They will absorb 300wpc-400wpc and electrify a good sized room in a way that seems to defy physics. I read a review years ago about the Contour 1.3 MkII and the reveiwer was powering them with Krell mono-blocks he said to best effect. I thought he was full of crap! I was wrong. I went out on a limb and won a pair of 1.3 MkIs on ebay for $600.00 (1/4 of retail) and I was absolutely astonished, I felt that I had missed out on so much music. The 1.3 SEs are a vast improvement over the originals and can be found used (rarely) for $1500-$1800.00/pair but I have yet to find, to my ears, a better speaker for under 5k.

I apologize for my digression but what I am saying as well is that the 51/05 can play with the big boys with no apologies.

and what prepro/amp combination are you using?
Can I assume something from the Anthem, Krell ,McIntosh, Classe level?


Warren
post #26710 of 30452
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

did you update the Pio to 1.65?

No..not on the Pioneer USA website...and frankly I am afraid to try to euro version
Although..if that fixes it..I have to ask myself the question of why its not already on the Pioneer site



Warren
post #26711 of 30452
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

If compatibility alone made the best BD player, the PS3 is the greatest of all time.

Actually the Insignia, samsung and panasonic players I have will play everything I have thrown at them
That is not a mutually exclusive trait
Since it is a blu ray player...I bought it to play blu ray


Warren
post #26712 of 30452
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

No..not on the Pioneer USA website...and frankly I am afraid to try to euro version
Although..if that fixes it..I have to ask myself the question of why its not already on the Pioneer site



Warren

1.65 is on the Pioneer USA site now.
post #26713 of 30452
Just tries downloading the US FW and after downloading it, for some reason I get a message stating " the compressed zipped folder is invalid or corrupt" Anyone else having the same problem with this FW?? Ive never had this problem when downloading previous FW updates...
post #26714 of 30452
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Erkq:

You've made my week edithomaso. I hope you don't mind, I am going to use this great quote in an up coming ethics paper I am working on. What punishment do you suggest for us consumer anarchists hacking our own machines with ill-gotten firmware from Europe? And thanks for throwing us all into one group with other foul digital age pirates. Absolute law is death disguised as tyranny. Absolute chaos is oblivion hidden in anarchy...but surely there is enough common sense left in the world to find some semblance of balance between the two. Methinks violating my EULA with European firmware to make my machine more functional, is a small sin, perhaps I will still qualify for the first level of hell with the other absent minded philosophers.

I love it. I am a strict constructionist who doesn't download or copy CDs DVDs etc. And when it comes to $700 BD players with a warranty left I certainly don't want to "hack" or "append" extra non US software at my own risk. I am sure Dante's 8th level (sub Bolge V) is full of those EULA violators and illegal copiers - the simple miscreants.

Hopefully this humorous discussion will keep a few more honest or at least aware that small sins can have larger penalties.

Then again maybe all users of the Pioneer 51/05 are agnostics and don't care. Either way my Panny DMP-BD55 (with its shiny new firmware 2.01 and pretty darn good customer support) will play Avatar without issue while we wait for Pioneer....

Hold the presses there must be a God - as Yoddy1 and others note in just the last few hours Pioneer ported the European file (from the file name it seems) to the US website. I am amazed and bewildered and will humbly withdraw my prior criticsm. Apparently the AVATAR can make many miracles happen. James Cameron must be pulling some big strings....

Oh and as for punishment - I think using the wrong firmware resulting in making the machine SLOWER would be more than sufficient - don't you?
post #26715 of 30452
Yep it overwrote the euro version just fine. Can't wait for the next one. I know I was surprised to come across this thread and see it approaching nearly 900 pages, I probably could have answered my question if I read back a few hundred pages. Thanks for the support though.
post #26716 of 30452
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Well, sure... a Prius beats the performance of a Corvette ZR1 too if you limit your definitions enough.

should Insignia ever beat "40 years in the industry" Pioneer
post #26717 of 30452
dose anyone know how the 320 stands up against the 05. have the 05 tired of all the down loads your have to burn or send for. Sounds silly but work alot of hours. thanks for any reply
post #26718 of 30452
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

Just tries downloading the US FW and after downloading it, for some reason I get a message stating " the compressed zipped folder is invalid or corrupt" Anyone else having the same problem with this FW?? Ive never had this problem when downloading previous FW updates...

Me too, "unexpected end of archive" msg when trying to extract.
Also the file size was only ~53mb vs the ~93mb of all the prev versions.

So ToSi can add this to his list. (btw, what a post whore-->19 in 3+ years)
post #26719 of 30452
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Originally Posted by soprano_777 View Post

dose anyone know how the 320 stands up against the 05. have the 05 tired of all the down loads your have to burn or send for. Sounds silly but work alot of hours. thanks for any reply

Soprano:

From what I read it's pretty good and for BD very close. I can't speak to CD quality/audio transport only but you may want to PM ruined or check the 320/23FD thread.
post #26720 of 30452
The euro version works got avatar today got the red screen of death thanks all of u guys love the avs forum.
post #26721 of 30452
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Hold the presses there must be a God - as Yoddy1 and others note in just the last few hours Pioneer ported the European file (from the file name it seems) to the US website. I am amazed and bewildered and will humbly withdraw my prior criticsm. Apparently the AVATAR can make many miracles happen. James Cameron must be pulling some big strings....

No so fast in your capitulation, there... your mea culpa seems premature. Perhaps the Pioneer gods did screw up:

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Originally Posted by shadowcaster View Post

Me too, "unexpected end of archive" msg when trying to extract.
Also the file size was only ~53mb vs the ~93mb of all the prev versions.

EDIT: On further thought... I extracted and got a 97k file no problem. I wonder what's going on with you guys? Try again. Maybe they fixed it. I used WinRAR to extract.
post #26722 of 30452
Just finished updating my BDP-51FD with no problem. Avatar plays fine with the new 1.65 firmware

If any of you having trouble downloading it from Pioneer's site, here's my RS link.
http://rapidshare.com/files/37902610...1FD_Ver165.zip
post #26723 of 30452
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

Just tries downloading the US FW and after downloading it, for some reason I get a message stating " the compressed zipped folder is invalid or corrupt" Anyone else having the same problem with this FW?? Ive never had this problem when downloading previous FW updates...

I get the same thing.
post #26724 of 30452
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

No so fast in your capitulation, there... your mea culpa seems premature. Perhaps the Pioneer gods did screw up:



EDIT: On further thought... I extracted and got a 97k file no problem. I wonder what's going on with you guys? Try again. Maybe they fixed it. I used WinRAR to extract.

Not working for me - 6 tries - download crashes every time so far. Nice it exists but poo on the poor server connection and connections.
post #26725 of 30452
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Not working for me - 6 tries - download crashes every time so far. Nice it exists but poo on the poor server connection and connections.

Try mtommy79's Rapidshare link.
post #26726 of 30452
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

Of course I would buy the player that I feel is best overall .

I hope so.

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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

Sure, but the only thing I see Oppo really having over it is the SACD/DVD-A support, which is of no use to me. Panasonic BDT-350 on the other hand supports 3-D and DLNA/netflix/etc streaming while Oppo does not. The Panasonic also has dual HDMI outputs while the Oppo has a single.

You don't have to justify your purchase. If you see value in the above features then you've made a good decision. As I stated in my previous post some perspective buyers may find value in the features in the Oppo BDP-80 and not in those features you've mentioned above. Here is a novel thought. How about you just take the Oppo out of the equation and compare the Panasonic to another model that you may be interested in. The Panasonic and Oppo are not aimed at the same buyer.

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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I guess, although I think most people would pick 3-D & streaming (panasonic BDT-350) over DVD-A/SACD (Oppo BDP-83).

You or I would be silly to try and "guess" what features would be important to perspective buyers. Remember what they say about "thinking" that it comes from not knowing. Also, you may want to substitute the BDP-80 where you have the Oppo BDP-83. The Panasonic and Oppo BDP-83 are not in the same zip code and cater to two different audiences. (lol) I doubt people are trying to decide between the BDP-83 and this Panasonic model.

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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I've had a Mitsubishi WD-73C9 3-D DLP set since 2009. It's 3-D mode has been confirmed to be compatible with the Panasonic BDT-350's 3-D output w/o even needing an adapter. I also have 2 pairs of XpanD x102 DLP Link 3-D LCD shutterglasses which I purchased earlier in the year to play some XBOX 360 games in 3-D - they too will work with the BDT-350/WD-73C9 combo.

As for the movies, obviously the selection is limited and they will come in time (although I do have access to some currently). At this point, I am most excited to see the outcome of Panasonic's video processing improvements w/ 2D material and how it stacks up to my Pioneer. If it matches the 51FD in a/v quality, I think Panasonic has an unmatched killer player on their hands.

Yeah, you've been foaming at the mouth about 3D since early last year and has evidently been stocking up the necessary equipment. I'm presently transitioning (moving my Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD to my family room) to a front projector (no 3D for me) for my home theater.

If it matches the 51FD in a/v quality Panasonic has an unmatched killer player on their hands. let's not state your potential subjective opinion as fact. There isn't a Panasonic past or present that competes with my 51FD on pure performance. I don't care about streaming, 3D, DNLA, etc. Those are just features and I'm talking about performance.

I sincerely hope 3D and the Panasonic bring you much joy, but let us let the buying public decide what features and/or brand they prefer.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #26727 of 30452
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Originally Posted by mtommy79 View Post

Just finished updating my BDP-51FD with no problem. Avatar plays fine with the new 1.65 firmware

If any of you having trouble downloading it from Pioneer's site, here's my RS link.
http://rapidshare.com/files/37902610...1FD_Ver165.zip

BINGO! Thank you sir! Your link did the trick after several failed attemps with Pioneers bogus link. As been stated before, these forums truly are great when you need a little outside help, such as instances as this. Thanks a bunch mtommy79 for providing that link for us.
post #26728 of 30452
The ver. 1.65 is now on Pioneer USA, is slow, i suppose their servers are going to burn, 250.000.000 (minus one )north americans is downloading.
Sorry for the guy (he know who is), I think shall be very p....ed. Don't by Pioneer my friend.
post #26729 of 30452
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

You don't have to justify your purchase. If you see value in the above features then you've made a good decision. As I stated in my previous post some perspective buyers may find value in the features in the Oppo BDP-80 and not in those features you’ve mentioned above. Here is a novel thought. How about you just take the Oppo out of the equation and compare the Panasonic to another model that you may be interested in. The Panasonic and Oppo are not aimed at the same buyer.

I don't see why the Oppo and Panasonic could not be aimed at the same market. Are you implying that there is a certain market that likes hifi video/audio but also does not wish to see the film as the director originally intended, i.e. Avatar/Monster vs. Aliens/Journey to the Center of the Earth/etc in 3-D? That seems unlikely to me.


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You or I would be silly to try and "guess" what features would be important to perspective buyers. Remember what they say about "thinking" that it comes from not knowing. Also, you may want to substitute the BDP-80 where you have the Oppo BDP-83. The Panasonic and Oppo BDP-83 are not in the same zip code and cater to two different audiences. (lol) I doubt people are trying to decide between the BDP-83 and this Panasonic model.

Considering the Panasonic BDT-350 is not out until May 2nd you don't know what zip code it is in, nor do you know who it is catering to. Panasonic Blu-ray players in the past may have been geared towards J6P (although considering Denon used their design for every portion of their past players except case and PSU that is debatable), but J6P is not going to buy a $2500 TV and a $400 player. Panasonic released some of the best DVD players that existed later on in DVD's life (RP82, RP91), there is no reason they could not do the same with Blu-ray. It is better to be product smart than brand loyal.

Note that the computing power needed to decode 1080p dual stream H264 is much higher than the power needed for single 1080p stream. Panasonic claims they put this extra processing power to use to improve upscale & deinterlace quality - we'll see if they've succeeded in that effort when the product arrives.

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Yeah, you've been foaming at the mouth about 3D since early last year and has evidently been stocking up the necessary equipment. I'm presently transitioning (moving my Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD to my family room) to a front projector (no 3D for me) for my home theater.

“If it matches the 51FD in a/v quality Panasonic has an unmatched killer player on their hands.” let’s not state your potential “subjective” opinion as fact. There isn’t a Panasonic past or present that competes with my 51FD on pure performance. I don’t care about streaming, 3D, DNLA, etc. Those are just features and I’m talking about performance.

"matches the 51FD in a/v quality" implies a/v performance obviously. The point is the BDT-350 does have the potential to combine the features that Panasonic is touting with the performance of the BDP-51FD as a result of the more powerful SoC it requires to decode dual 1080p streams. Whether it reaches that potential is yet to be seen. IMO it is just a matter of software, if the BDT-350 has the computing power to decode dual stream 1080p it should be able to provide high quality upscaling/deinterlacing as well - just a matter of implementing it in software.

If it can do both, though, that is quite the revolution. High quality A/V plus cutting edge features the competition lacks.

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I sincerely hope 3D and the Panasonic bring you much joy, but let us let the buying public decide what features and/or brand they prefer.



I am just voicing my opinion on what makes most sense. Yeah, you could probably make the argument that some particular person might value an AIWA Boombox more than a pair of B&W 802s. That doesn't mean the former is not obviously inferior to the latter, however. If Panasonic is able to implement higher quality deineterlcing and scaling algorithms given the greater power SoC they have available to them, they will have quite the coup on their hands - 3-D + streaming + dual HDMI + high quality scaling all for less than a BDP-83. Note that the last item on that list is the only one that is in question at this point, and the first item I will be putting to the test when I receive the unit.
post #26730 of 30452
Okay, just implemented FW 1.65 on my '51 tonight because the Avatar disc told me a FW update was needed to play the movie. Had friends over ...
so I was a little freaked for a moment because I didn't know there was a new FW update from Pioneer. Desparate, I paged through this thread in the hope that Pioneer didn't abandon us. Well, just in the nick of time. I'm guessing Fox sent a notice to all HW mfgrs that they needed to update their player's FW for this movie. My friend with a PS3 said his unit got a new FW update in the last 24 hrs. Anyway, it worked, I was able to play the movie. All is GOOD !
OH, that movie kicks $$$ in the audio department. I played it at 11 dB below reference level in my sealed 15 x 21 dedicated room. My single PB13 Ultra was flapping our clothing !

I'm curious - besides enabling playback of Avatar, what else does 1.65 bring to the table ? We jumped from 1.38 to 1.65. I counted 11 fixes,or whatever they're called, on the display while my machine was being updated. I didn't have time to stopwatch things like time from power on to drawer open, disc recognition time, etc. to see if the usual list of wishes had finally been fulfilled.

Bill
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