Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA - Page 901

The unit showed 'RESUME OFF' when stopped but now the disc asked me if I'd like to resume playback or not. How strange but a good feature nonetheless

These days, they are sometimes different - the disc might say "RENTAL" on the outside or bottom of the front of the case. Rentals sometimes wouldn't have any special features or any menus to load, so they may just be BDMV and would resume. However:


I think that particular disc uses a new java scheme that allows it, that might be the reason.

Glade to hear you got yours,Still waiting for mine & the update that was befor this one.Thats why I was thinking of up gradeing to the 23 fd so I don't have to wait like this.

No, this particular disc is unique in that it prompts you to resume play and allows you to toggle between "yes" or "no".

Hi 05fd,
See you are on line, early morning or late night. Did your player problems get resolved

Re Avatar, yes it does have a resume but not in the conventional sense. It uses the BDMV memory for a bookmark as I understand it. So when you stop it, it say's resume off so it has to go through most of the load sequence again (although it seems to take less time) then you will see the message resume yes or no. This will happen each time you stop the movie before the end. If you clear the BDMV memory (tools with no disk in the drive) it clears the flag. One thing I noticed repeatedly loading Avatar for loading times made my player very slow to eject. Clearing the BDMV memory cured this, normally you would get an onscreen warning if this memory is nearly full. So might be a good idea to clear it occasionally

Best wishes, Rick

Hello Rick,
It turns out the rental disc was damaged because I could play other titles without any problems! Still no blue light on power button, but I can live with it. Loading is still slow with the latest firmware though. It takes approx. 50s for Twilight. I'll try to clear the memory now, and hopefully it will load movies faster. Thanks!

My 51 is doing me a favor by taking its sweet time. Nice excuse to "open and pour", don't you think?

If I have to watch Twilight I'd need more time to open and pour than 50 seconds.

Hi, all.

I bought 2 FD51's players about a year ago. I have updated them to ver 1.32 and then ver 1.65 so that I could play Avatar disc. I skipped ver 1.37, 1.38, 1.39. The "Avatar" disc played fine. But, now, I could not play the "Dark Night", "Sherlock Holme" and "The Vampire's Assistant" blurays. I haven't tried other 'old' bluray movies that I have. It will play any DVD's.

So my question for those who have updated their 51FD's players to the ver 1.65 firmware, have you had any problem playing older bluray discs???

Dark Knight played fine for me on 1.65.

Hi 05fd, getting late here now so short reply. Sounds as though your player is ok which is good, maybe just a loose connection for your power light or possibly a rare event of the blue LED going defective. Like you say that is something I could live with in fact I might even prefer it, my AVR has the same blue power light but when I turn off the display it stays on, could do without that when listening in a darkened room maybe I'll stick something over it. The main thing is your player otherwise sounds good to go. Not tried and don't have Twilight so can't comment, but 50s sounds about right for a lot of BD's some a bit faster Avatar and 2012 much slower.

Best wishes, Rick

Hi dvd2blu, I have 05 equivalent updated to 1.65 and so far have had no problems with any of my older Bluray's, havn't tried them all but Batman Begins and the Dark Night are ok together with Golden Compass and one or two others around the same age as GC. I have not got the other two discs you mention so can't try those, might be worth a clean on the older discs maybe a bit of dust or something. Also worth a full reset if you have not done so since upgrading the firmware, this can resolve a lot of problems. Then set up the player again for your preferences take a note of what they are before re-setting (On the player front panel not the remote press and hold stop and press the power button until the player goes off)

Best wishes, Rick

Hey got my e-mail sending out the update, now I can watch Avitar! there is a God!!!

Thanks for replying Rick R and erkq.

When I first played "Avatar", right after the update, it played fine. The morning after it refused to play the movie (Avatar). After resetting it and updating (again), it worked fine. The Avatar movie was a brand new disc that I just bought (when it cam out).

But today it refused to play Sherlock Holmes before and after I had resetted it. I then pulled out my brand new The Dark Knight to see if it would play, and it didn't.

I'm at lost here.

question- is it possible to switch the audio output setting from HDMI to Digital without going through the set-up menu?

I sometimes play audio through a wireless headphone transmitter. I send the signal to the transmitter from my Rotel 1550.
The transmitter input is optical and for some reason the Rotel can not send DTS-HD tracks from an HDMI source- to the optical output.
So the only way to get this to work is by switching to a compressed DD track- and if that's not on the disc- I have to change my audio output setting on the pio51 to DIGITAL and send it to the Rotel via coaxial.
I'm not sure why it works this way- but it does- I guess the 51 is compressing the track (?).

Anyway- I would prefer to just be able to hit a button the remote- as opposed to going into the menu each time I want to use the headphones.
Is there a button on the remote for this setting? Can't seem to find one.

That's certainly one way to look at it But now having cleared the internal memory, Avatar is loaded within 35s.

Hi Rick, now that's odd I can send it in for repair, as it is still under the 2-yr warranty, but come to think of it, I might also prefer it that way. I have 5 more months to decide!

You guys are talking about blue LED not working while something way more important is brewing. Few pages back people started reporting problems playing theirs BD's after updating to 1.65 and that was totally ignored. I do fear that 1.65 was developed quickly and with out an extensive testing. Can we please concentrate on this issue and start doing little testing. Playing Avatar on expanse of other titles is a bad deal. I'll start playing some titles out of mine library and report results.

It was not totally ignored. People started posting their experiences. I know. I was one of them. Did YOU ignore US?

Hi dvd2blu,
Following your first post I realised I had not played many of the older BD's since the 1.65 update so checked a few yesterday absolutely no problems discs checked were
Golden Compass, Nightmare Before Christmas (got it free!), The Bank Job, Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, Batman Begins, Transformers, Casino Royale spec ed, WallE (got it free!) and Alien Vs Predator. Did GI Joe full movie last night.

There has been a bit of discussion about BD's resuming (just like DVD), I know I have four or five that do but actually took a note of those from above list that did and they were the Golden Compass and Alien Vs Predator.

Your problem definitely seems a bit strange I would make sure the BDMV memory is clear (no disc in drive and tools button select BDMV erase) it may not help but worth a go.

I take it from what you have said you have reloaded the 1.65 firmware again, was it the same one you used the first time or a fresh download. If it was the same one it may be corrupted and worth doing a fresh download and make up a new firmware disc and re install it again. What bothers me is that you only seem to be able to play Avatar once a day, that is really weird. Do you use the secondary audio and video when playing back your movies eg Bonus Features (I never do, can't be bothered with it I even chuck the additional extras disc in the bin if the movie is ok), this feature is of real interest to some enthusiast's but it does fill up the BDMV memory (which Avatar uses for the resume feature) which is why I suggested above to clear it.

Otherwise I am puzzled and if I can think of anything else then I'll post, maybe someone else can help a bit more. Is it still in warranty and if so have you spoken to Pioneer?

Best wishes, Rick

PS I note in your first post you have two 51FD is this happening on both of them or just the one if it is both then both of my suggestions above may have more validity particularly as it is almost certain you used the same firmware disc to update both players (why would you not). But definitely if it is happening on both of the 51FD's then that is too much of a coincidence and has to be something common to both players like setup, firmware, BDMV memory full, anybody else got an ideas?

Hi Padalec, I too responded but also see my post to dvd2blu a little earlier.

Best wishes, Rick

There's a button (and an IR code) to switch the video output (Video Select), but unfortunately, nothing similar for the audio (I double-checked the IR code list).


That's because Toslink does not have the bandwith for lossless tracks (see wikipedia entry here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK).


In case of DTS-HD MA, the "core" DTS track will be send on the digital outputs. Not sure if the same thing applies to Dolby TrueHD.


As mentionned earlier, seems you're out of luck. You do know that when you select HDMI, you have a two channel audio output present on the other outputs, including digital? Is that not sufficient for transmitting to headphones?

The other option, if you have a universal remote, would be to create macros to switch from one setup to the other.

Hope that helps a little.

Dan.

I'm sure it was not ignored, but typically, when someone reports a "problem" and users try it and can't reproduce, not too many take the time to respond. This will be particularly true if the problem description is a bit vague.

In my case, I don't have the blu-rays that were reported as not working, except for ST:TOS, but in that post, it was not clear if the poster referred to the DVDs or the Blu-rays. I took my ST:TOS Blu-ray for a small spin on my 23FD (v3.65) few days after reading about it, and did not see any problems (but did not do an extensive check). I'm sure that if it was a repeatable, major issue, we would hear a lot more about it. For now, my point of view is that it is something that can either be cleared by doing a factory reset (and that would be nothing new...) or another unrelated failure that happened around the same time as the upgrade, and we've all been guilty at one point or another of doing a quick association...

Dan.

Hi 05FD,

Glad you got some warranty left, Europe only does 1 year (pretty sure need to check). But you can switch the blue power LED off with the display dimmer button, if you turn the display off it then comes up briefly for track change or button press events. My blue light that I can't turn off is on the Pioneer AVR can blank the display leaving a faint volume setting readout only (same as 05 button presses and signal changes bring it up briefly) all the other blue and red and text stuff goes away except for the blue power LED.

Re your 05 - it might just be worth cycling the display dimmer on you 05 though! through the full set of display illumination levels a couple times (button on the remote near top right) it might, if it is a software glitch, bring it back on. That's a mighty big might though but worth a try.

Re Avatar load times, 35secs are you sure? can you recheck I am way over 1min 30 secs from the time the drawer closes, that right enough is to the menu.

Best wishes, Rick

Hardware failure, RMA time.

Hi Ruined,
That same thought was in the back of my mind as a last resort but as I understand he has two 51FD and his post seems to imply it happening on both players, hardware failure simultaneously on two players seemed a bit unlikely!

Best wishes, Rick

Hi dvd2blu,

I'm not trying to teach grandma to suck eggs here but something else did occur to me and that is: did you follow the firmware update procedure to the letter. What I am thinking here is that at the end of the update the the firmware disc ejects for you to remove it and the player just sits there for a few minutes with the tray open and you are supposed to wait until it closes the tray and switches itself off. I'm sure you probably did but in case you did not, then you should repeat the update and let it do it's thing.

I think that last couple of minutes is when the last part of the update is being loaded from memory and finalised and if you closed the tray manually and powered it down manually you may have corrupted the update.

I just checked the firmware install instructions again and Pioneer warn that no front panel or remote control buttons should be operated the only action required is to remove the disc until after it has powered itself down. One exception is in the FAQ and that is if it has not powered itself down after 60minutes then you should force a power down by pressing and holding the power button on the front panel for more than 5 secs

Just a thought anyway.

Best wishes, Rick

In case of DTS-HD MA, the "core" DTS track will be send on the digital outputs. Not sure if the same thing applies to Dolby TrueHD.

Does anyone know what happens to Dolby True HD & PCM uncompressed through the digital outputs? What are the bitrates?

PS. I have the 51FD and i use the MCH analog out to my AVR which means the player automatically down converts the digital outputs to 2 channel PCM, which i feed to a separate DAC & headphone amp, but what is the bitrate? Is it 2 channel "uncompressed" PCM? I'm very curious to know what kind of signal i'm feeding my DAC.

Yikes! I've never waited until the tray closes by itself with any of my firmware updates.

The tray stays open after the update. You need only to wait until the player powers off after the disc has ejected (which is only an extra ~10-20 seconds, if I recall) before pressing the Power or Eject button.