Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA - Page 905

Originally Posted by [Irishman]

Well, I knew that about the DACs, especially on the 2 channel front.

I just wanted to get some information regarding whether or not I would be experiencing a placebo effect by upgrading the cables/interface.

Originally Posted by erkq

Hahaha... maybe. Maybe all this whooey about how superior the 51's DAC's are is all a big placebo effect!

BTW, it's ALL the DAC's... every channel is the same.

Yes, I would say using your old receiver in purely analog mode, getting rid of the lossy digital connection and using the 51's DAC's is a win, win, win. I think you will hear a difference.

Originally Posted by darno

Just a reminder, from Off, if you approach the player and physically press the eject button it will power up and open the tray wether a disc is in there or not. You still have to wait for the lengthy power up time but you don't have to wait for it to load if a disc happens to be in there. After all, you have to be in front of it to put a disc in anyway. I usually press eject to power up then get the bluray out of its case and by the time I'm ready the tray opens. This is how I power up every time!

Originally Posted by 05fd

Same here! Sherlock Holmes is sleeping in it right now.

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

I don't understand the complaints I see about the power up speed of these units...do the complainers have computers that boot in 2 seconds? If so, where do I get one?

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

I use a Harmony remote, whose sequence also involves turning on the SC-07, 5010 Kuro and my Velo sub equalizer. By the time the Kuro selects the correct input and does the HDMI handshake to the receiver, the tray is ready to be opened.

I don't understand the complaints I see about the power up speed of these units...do the complainers have computers that boot in 2 seconds? If so, where do I get one?

Originally Posted by erkq

It's not a computer. It's an a/v component. Don't get me wrong, I love the unit. But applying a computer standard to an a/v component is like applying ATV standards to automobiles. It may have an engine, but it doesn't go on the freeway.

Originally Posted by b curry

It may look like an a/v component but it's DNA is most definitely computer.

You turn it on, it starts it's boot sequence and then looks for a disc to read. If it doesn't read a disc it defaults to a screen saver. When you load the disc it reads the data or loads Java and then reads the data... etc., etc., etc., If that ain't a computer...

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

I use a Harmony remote, whose sequence also involves turning on the SC-07, 5010 Kuro and my Velo sub equalizer. By the time the Kuro selects the correct input and does the HDMI handshake to the receiver, the tray is ready to be opened.

I don't understand the complaints I see about the power up speed of these units...do the complainers have computers that boot in 2 seconds? If so, where do I get one?

Originally Posted by erkq

It's not a computer. It's an a/v component. Don't get me wrong, I love the unit. But applying a computer standard to an a/v component is like applying ATV standards to automobiles. It may have an engine, but it doesn't go on the freeway.

Originally Posted by erkq

My point is, though, that it's not a general computer. It's an embedded, special purpose computer. Heck, everything's a computer these days. What if your CAR took that long to start?? I mean, talk about a computer! I push a button to start it. Throttle-by-wire. ABS, traction control, stability control, climate control, GPS, stereo, blue-tooth and so much more. And yet, they've figured out how to boot it up and get it ready to go in less than a second!

Originally Posted by [Irishman]

Noone is comparing the Pioneer BDP boot time to that of a PC or
Mac. They're comparing it to other BDPs, which are in some cases dramatically shorter (LG, PS3 and Oppo, for three).

Originally Posted by erkq

mrjktcvs was. I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs
"I don't understand the complaints I see about the power up speed of these units...do the complainers have computers that boot in 2 seconds? If so, where do I get one?"

Originally Posted by [Irishman]

Fair enough. I missed that post.

But the BDP51FD is slow to boot, even compared to other BDPs.

Originally Posted by erkq

It's not a computer. It's an a/v component. Don't get me wrong, I love the unit. But applying a computer standard to an a/v component is like applying ATV standards to automobiles. It may have an engine, but it doesn't go on the freeway.

Originally Posted by Audiodork

Hello,
I just loaded Inglorious Basterds and had zero issues and surprisingly fast loading times using FW 1.65. I did notice some weirdness loading Dogma, but reinserted it and it played just fine.

This event marked the first time I have had any issue with Playback on any of the 3 51/05's that I own. I still have absolutely zero regrets for my purchase of these BDP's. It was weird paying 75% less for my 2nd BDP-51 than my 1st.

To those people who paid under 100 Dollars for their BDP-51, know you got one of the greatest values ever. The Build Quality and Sound Quality is truly top notch. As is the Parts Quality.
Cheers,
AD

Originally Posted by b curry

I understand your point and I'm really not picking on you, but your analogy is not a very good one. Just an FYI.

I live in the US, my office is in Germany and I see ATV's on the freeway in Germany quite often as well as other parts of Europe. ATV and automobiles in Germany and Europe share similar homologation standards. I agree, it's not common in North America.

Here's the link: http://www.atvmagonline.com/2010/06/...quads-germany/

Originally Posted by b curry

Just curious, do you use the Harmony remote because you already had it or did you buy it for your stated purpose? I ask because you can do the same turn on sequence with the 5010 Kuro remote with HDMI Control enabled.

Originally Posted by bakerwi

mrjktcvs,

While these are very competent players they boot up very slow. Also, those owners that recognize this are not complainer, but owners voicing their opinion. However, I do wish all the talk about the speed of this player just go away since I don't see them getting any faster at this stage.


Respectfully,
Willie

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

People have been complaining about the speed since this unit was being sold with beta firmware, when there weren't a lot of BD units out there to compare it to. "Well, my DVD player (or PS3) loads X times faster." Two years later, nothing's changed.

I also own the original Funai, and it is not appreciably faster.

Originally Posted by bakerwi

mrjktcvs,

This thread will eventually die and there will be no more talk about the speed of the player or anything else. The subject occasionally comes up because there is the occasional new owner (believe it or not) who has only heard how slow these players are, but has not experienced it. This opens up the door for some present owners to chime in on the subject again. Also, Pioneer promoted the speed of this player. Due to the exclusive chip set design and build quality Pioneer is now utilizing, significant strides in speed performance have been made with the new players to now rival the rapid playback rate consumers have come to experience when using their DVD players.

I think present owners should be over the speed issue, but some are not and I don't have a problem with that.

Also, there were other players introduced during the same time that were faster. The speed was not a part of my buying decision, but Pioneer promised DVD player performance.

Also, I don't know what your DVD player or PS3 have to do with the discussion, since they have no speed deficiencies. These Pioneer players are woefully slow just compared to its peer players.


Respectfully,
Willie

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

When I first bought my Kuro, I noticed how much functionality was on the remote that could not be done from the controls built into the panel, and I became paranoid about it breaking. Even though I found some replacement remotes on the web, for some reason I never bought a spare one.

I hate the Harmony because with its cheap buttons, it is extremely difficult to manually enter the 4 digit channels for HD that AT&T U-verse has assigned. But my blonde wife can operate it, so that's what I use.

Originally Posted by b curry

Thanks, I also have a blonde wife when it comes to remotes. Our old system used a Pronto with activity based programing to make it possible for my wife to use the system. I must also admit, the convenience of using a single remote was a big plus for me too. We then put in an all Pioneer system for the TV room (Kuro PDP, SC-05 and a BDP-05). The HDMI control eliminated the need for the Pronto remote and is actually much easier to use for my wife as it turns on the SC-05 when you power on the Kuro. One button push turns on the BDP-05 and switches the input on the SC-05.

But your right about the Pioneer remote; I'm sure at some point we will have to replace it. However, you do have two back-ups in the remotes for the SC07 and your BDP-51 or 05 as they will also work with the Kuro.

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs

Would they allow you to get into the service menu? That was my biggest concern as it was needed by the guy that calibrated the panel.

Originally Posted by Geordon

I guess I don't complain much about the speed of these slow players, because my first HD player was a Toshiba HD-A1, then I added the HD-XA2. Neither burned up the speed charts, and I even though I wished they were faster, it was a small price to pay for projecting a 1080 native source over 480 in my HT. So, when I got the 51FD, the speed was par for the course, though I really hate Java. When the 51FD died, I got a 320, and plan on replacing my 51FD with another one off ebay. I must be a glutton for punishment

My new Panny BD65 arrived yesterday (couldn't pass up the price), so, now with 5 HD players in the house, I might become spoiled by the faster load times, once I experience them.