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post #27691 of 30452
10/19/10 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

Perhaps the memory has a corrupted sector.

Probably and of course it's most likely not user repairable.

****Edit**** Actually I decided to open it up since I'm passed my warranty anyway and found the 256MB SD card. I pulled the card out and put it into a card reader. I then copied the folder that was in the card and then copied that folder onto a 2GB card. I know it's probably overkill but it's the smallest size SD card I had lying around.
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post #27692 of 30452
10/20/10 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by adrian457 View Post

Probably and of course it's most likely not user repairable.

****Edit**** Actually I decided to open it up since I'm passed my warranty anyway and found the 256MB SD card. I pulled the card out and put it into a card reader. I then copied the folder that was in the card and then copied that folder onto a 2GB card. I know it's probably overkill but it's the smallest size SD card I had lying around.

Good thinking, but I am not totally clear, was this how you cured the problem or did you do this afterwards and if so does it work ok. I think this will be of interest to many forum members and could be the cause of many of the problems highlighted in this forum. Certainly I have found it necessary to clear the memory particularly after playing and pausing Avatar a few times but nice to know if it works that the BD Memory can be replaced.

Best wishes, Rick
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post #27693 of 30452
10/20/10 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by adrian457 View Post

I got T2: Skynet Edition to work finally. I deleted the BD data about 5 times in a row and it finally played. Don't understand why erasing the data multiple times in a row allowed it to work but the only other issue I had before this was the 2nd disc of Anchorman and clearing the BD data a couple of times did the trick as well. Shouldn't clearing it out once delete all the data in there?

adrian457 would you mind telling me how to clear the BD data? Never had to do it yet but am sure it is only a matter of time. Thanks for doing this for me.

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post #27694 of 30452
10/20/10 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Good thinking, but I am not totally clear, was this how you cured the problem or did you do this afterwards and if so does it work ok. I think this will be of interest to many forum members and could be the cause of many of the problems highlighted in this forum. Certainly I have found it necessary to clear the memory particularly after playing and pausing Avatar a few times but nice to know if it works that the BD Memory can be replaced.

Best wishes, Rick

I think you're confusing memory with storage. The 51FD contains a section of NVRAM in the system board that stores settings and other things. The SD card is purely for storing offline BD data, such as bookmarks etc. Two different types of "memory".
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post #27695 of 30452
10/20/10 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Good thinking, but I am not totally clear, was this how you cured the problem or did you do this afterwards and if so does it work ok. I think this will be of interest to many forum members and could be the cause of many of the problems highlighted in this forum. Certainly I have found it necessary to clear the memory particularly after playing and pausing Avatar a few times but nice to know if it works that the BD Memory can be replaced.

Best wishes, Rick

This is something I did after I got it to play the disc. I took off the top and unscrewed the whole back panel as the SD card slot is against the back panel with the removal section against it. It's not something where you can just take the lid off and pull it out and put another back in.

Someone mentioned I might have a bad memory sector and I decided to change the card instead of having to try to figure out how many erases I had to do before it was cleaned out. Obviously something wasn't working correctly in which it wasn't erasing everything like it should.

Deleting the BDMV data is something that should be done before or after every movie. Obviously mine was malfunctioning. It can sometimes prevent movies from playing but isn't the cure all.

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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

adrian457 would you mind telling me how to clear the BD data? Never had to do it yet but am sure it is only a matter of time. Thanks for doing this for me.

golffnutt

This process is done with no disc in the tray and by pressing the "Tools" button and then select "BDMV Data Erase" then "Yes".

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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I think you're confusing memory with storage. The 51FD contains a section of NVRAM in the system board that stores settings and other things. The SD card is purely for storing offline BD data, such as bookmarks etc. Two different types of "memory".

You are correct.

(Not directed at Wrinklefree)
Some players don't even come with an SD card/USB drive for data storage. If you read some of the player threads, you will see people indicating that certain movies with certain players require an SD card/USB drive even though they are not using BD Live. BD as a spec requires certain amounts of data storage for playback of Java/BD-Live discs. Some players come with it internally while others require an SD card/USB drive plugged in externally. This player contains the card internally.

What I did was for BD data storage (Java) issues pertaining to a problem my player was having erasing that data properly. This will not increase speeds, correct errors, etc. That is done by other parts of the player.
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post #27696 of 30452
10/20/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by adrian457 View Post

This is something I did after I got it to play the disc. I took off the top and unscrewed the whole back panel as the SD card slot is against the back panel with the removal section against it. It's not something where you can just take the lid off and pull it out and put another back in.

Someone mentioned I might have a bad memory sector and I decided to change the card instead of having to try to figure out how many erases I had to do before it was cleaned out. Obviously something wasn't working correctly in which it wasn't erasing everything like it should.

Deleting the BDMV data is something that should be done before or after every movie. Obviously mine was malfunctioning. It can sometimes prevent movies from playing but isn't the cure all.



This process is done with no disc in the tray and by pressing the "Tools" button and then select "BDMV Data Erase" then "Yes".



You are correct.

(Not directed at Wrinklefree)
Some players don't even come with an SD card/USB drive for data storage. If you read some of the player threads, you will see people indicating that certain movies with certain players require an SD card/USB drive even though they are not using BD Live. BD as a spec requires certain amounts of data storage for playback of Java/BD-Live discs. Some players come with it internally while others require an SD card/USB drive plugged in externally. This player contains the card internally.

What I did was for BD data storage (Java) issues pertaining to a problem my player was having erasing that data properly. This will not increase speeds, correct errors, etc. That is done by other parts of the player.

Thank you adrian457 for that information.

Golffnutt
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post #27697 of 30452
10/20/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I think you're confusing memory with storage. The 51FD contains a section of NVRAM in the system board that stores settings and other things. The SD card is purely for storing offline BD data, such as bookmarks etc. Two different types of "memory".

Hi Wrinklefree,

Nice to see you are still around, despite as I believe you now have Oppo player(s).

Thanks for your reply but maybe I did not make myself clear, it was the BDMV data I was referring to and I perhaps should not have called it memory and been more specific, and per the manual, as BDMV data.I found a while ago that if the BDMV data is not erased (particularly after playing Avatar and pausing or ejecting it a couple of times, like when checking the load times) the player becomes very slow to eject and load the next disc and I am talking several minutes here around 5 to 8mins. Clearing the BDMV data resolved that for me bringing the player back to it's normal eject and slightly sluggish load times. The two BD discs involved in this case were Avatar and 2012

The manual suggests clearing this regularly but Adrian457 may well be right in that it is better to clear it after every movie (I would suggest only BluRay movies) I have started that practice now having experienced the above minor problem, which I probably aggravated anyway, it is the only problem I have had with this player apart from slightly dirty new straight out of the package BD discs requiring a blow off with compressed air, and I have not had that for a while now.

My point here is if my experience above is correct which I think it is because I can repeat it, then the side effects of a faulty BDMV memory SD Card could perhaps cause all sorts of problems. My interest was in particular if the 2Gb SD card worked as I am more than capable of removing a panel or two and circuit boards if necessary to replace it if it ever becomes necessary. It may also be of benefit to some other owners with apparently irrational behavior from their prized 51/05. The reason for the bold text is to highlight to other maybe not so experienced owners my experience and the apparent cause and cure.

Thanks to Adrian457 for providing the information requested

Best wishes, Rick
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post #27698 of 30452
10/20/10 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by adrian457 View Post

This is something I did after I got it to play the disc. I took off the top and unscrewed the whole back panel as the SD card slot is against the back panel with the removal section against it. It's not something where you can just take the lid off and pull it out and put another back in.

Someone mentioned I might have a bad memory sector and I decided to change the card instead of having to try to figure out how many erases I had to do before it was cleaned out. Obviously something wasn't working correctly in which it wasn't erasing everything like it should.


Some players don't even come with an SD card/USB drive for data storage. If you read some of the player threads, you will see people indicating that certain movies with certain players require an SD card/USB drive even though they are not using BD Live. BD as a spec requires certain amounts of data storage for playback of Java/BD-Live discs. Some players come with it internally while others require an SD card/USB drive plugged in externally. This player contains the card internally.

Thanks Adrian457 for replying to my slightly unclear question (I did not have the details of the BDMV storage in front of me and my own old memory was not working too well) the information you have provided is quite interesting, see also my response to Wrinklefree above and the problems I found with BDMV storage.

Your latter point about some players and data storage is spot on, I also have a Panasonic BD30 this requires an SD card for some BluRay functions the SD card can also be used to playback JPEG files eg photos on TV but strangely not mp3.

Thanks again and best wishes, Rick R
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post #27699 of 30452
10/21/10 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

anyone in Chicago interested in a mint 51-FD? I just don't use it anymore. Updated to 1.68

How much? I need to replace a near 10 y old non HDMI DV-37.
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post #27700 of 30452
10/22/10 at 6:50am
How does one clear the BDMV data again??

Thanks

Paul
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post #27701 of 30452
10/22/10 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

How does one clear the BDMV data again??

Thanks

Paul

with no disk in machine, or at least tray open, hit tools, then down to clear data, then left to yes, then enter/select
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post #27702 of 30452
10/22/10 at 10:25pm
I upgraded to 1.65 a few weeks ago, just realized that Analog outputs 5.1 do NOT produce a .1 (subwoofer) signal. It wont even trigger my subwoofer amp to turn on. NO FREAKIN signal. Is this fixed with a 1.68 or other update? Now I really feel like I really screwed up by updating it. It does load faster though, but I need the .1 channel to work or that part of the unit is worthless.
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post #27703 of 30452
10/22/10 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

I upgraded to 1.65 a few weeks ago, just realized that Analog outputs 5.1 do NOT produce a .1 (subwoofer) signal. It wont even trigger my subwoofer amp to turn on. NO FREAKIN signal. Is this fixed with a 1.68 or other update? Now I really feel like I really screwed up by updating it. It does load faster though, but I need the .1 channel to work or that part of the unit is worthless.

My .1 channel is working fine with 1.65. I wonder if your .1 failure coincidentally happened sometime over that "few" week period and you've just now noticed.
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post #27704 of 30452
10/22/10 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

My .1 channel is working fine with 1.65. I wonder if your .1 failure coincidentally happened sometime over that "few" week period and you've just now noticed.


Highly doubt it, esp how this seems to be a known problem with the update. I know it worked just before I updated it.
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post #27705 of 30452
10/22/10 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

Highly doubt it, esp how this seems to be a known problem with the update. I know it worked just before I updated it.

Is it? Yours is the first I've heard of the .1 channel going away completely, though I haven't been keeping up with the thread 100%.
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post #27706 of 30452
10/22/10 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Is it? Yours is the first I've heard of the .1 channel going away completely, though I haven't been keeping up with the thread 100%.

Check post number #27607 and a few posts below it and the follow up at #27638. Going back to 1.32 got his bass .1 back. Wonder if 1.66 or 1.68 might bring it back?
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post #27707 of 30452
10/23/10 at 1:32am
When the Blu-ray player is connected by analogue audio cables, optical or coaxial. In some cases when the amplifier does not support HD audio, the subwoofer channel will be unhearable.
This is caused by the way firmware 1.65 handles secondairy and interactive audio mixing.

The fix:
Go to settings and change the following:
1. Audio out -> Dolby Digital out -> "Dolby Digital 2".
2. Audio out -> DTS out -> "DTS 2"
3. Options -> Output Terminal Priority -> Video = "HDMI" -> Audio = "Analogue" or "Digital" (depending on how the unit is connected.

Does this fix the problem?
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post #27708 of 30452
10/23/10 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

When the Blu-ray player is connected by analogue audio cables, optical or coaxial. In some cases when the amplifier does not support HD audio, the subwoofer channel will be unhearable.
This is caused by the way firmware 1.65 handles secondairy and interactive audio mixing.

The fix:
Go to settings and change the following:
1. Audio out -> Dolby Digital out -> "Dolby Digital 2".
2. Audio out -> DTS out -> "DTS 2"
3. Options -> Output Terminal Priority -> Video = "HDMI" -> Audio = "Analogue" or "Digital" (depending on how the unit is connected.

Does this fix the problem?

Don't didn't fix anything.

Something is obviously wrong with the 1.65 if multiple people were using 5.1 analog with no problem prior to 1.65 then all of the sudden the .1 channel drops out as soon as it is updated. The a person has the old 1.3X version reinstalled and all of the sudden the .1 channel works again. This has nothing to do with initial set up of the unit.
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post #27709 of 30452
10/23/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

Don't didn't fix anything.

Something is obviously wrong with the 1.65 if multiple people were using 5.1 analog with no problem prior to 1.65 then all of the sudden the .1 channel drops out as soon as it is updated. The a person has the old 1.3X version reinstalled and all of the sudden the .1 channel works again. This has nothing to do with initial set up of the unit.

Thats the way Pioneer tells you to correct the problem if you have no subwoofer output after you upgraded!
I do have subwoofer output my self, how ever I only connect via HDMI.
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post #27710 of 30452
10/23/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

Don't didn't fix anything.

Something is obviously wrong with the 1.65 if multiple people were using 5.1 analog with no problem prior to 1.65 then all of the sudden the .1 channel drops out as soon as it is updated. The a person has the old 1.3X version reinstalled and all of the sudden the .1 channel works again. This has nothing to do with initial set up of the unit.

I thought you couldn't flash backwards?


bob
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post #27711 of 30452
10/23/10 at 12:33pm
Hkan, rumour of any FW for the Alien discs? Apparently they are causing playback problems on quite a few players.
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post #27712 of 30452
10/23/10 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

I thought you couldn't flash backwards?


bob

You can if you have the right tools!
It's an investment for over 3000US$

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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Hkan, rumour of any FW for the Alien discs? Apparently they are causing playback problems on quite a few players.

Rumours say the new public firmwre will be released in November.
I've heard both begining and end of the month!
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post #27713 of 30452
10/24/10 at 8:38am
Running FW 1.39 on my 51 and found last night that it won't play the new Predators. A red warning screen pops up saying I need to update in order to play it.

Based on the problems w/1.65 (released back in April), I'm reluctant to do the update. Anyone w/1.65 attempt to play this disc ? The disc is so much newer that the 1.65 it still may not play.
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post #27714 of 30452
10/24/10 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

You can if you have the right tools!
It's an investment for over 3000US$

What tools? Is it a one time fix, in other words, could I send my player to someone who had the tools and have my player returned to a previous FW version and then once I got my player back could I then do my own FW flashbacks to previous FW versions? Thank you.



Rumours say the new public firmwre will be released in November.
I've heard both begining and end of the month!

Please see comments above, thank you.

golffnutt
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post #27715 of 30452
10/24/10 at 9:54am
I tried to play Our Family Wedding 51 saids i need a firmware update,i have the 1.65 fw disc on the way. My last fw update was 1.32.
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post #27716 of 30452
10/24/10 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

Don't didn't fix anything.

Something is obviously wrong with the 1.65 if multiple people were using 5.1 analog with no problem prior to 1.65 then all of the sudden the .1 channel drops out as soon as it is updated. The a person has the old 1.3X version reinstalled and all of the sudden the .1 channel works again. This has nothing to do with initial set up of the unit.

Sorry to hear you are having .1 issues rodH. FWIW I have 1.65 on my O5 and running all 5.1 analog connections and having no problems what so ever with the .1 channel.

However, last night I popped in 'Whiteout' (rental copy) and player would not play it. Got the 'can't read' 'unknown disc' message. Not sure if this disc is an issue with Pio players or perhaps it was just a 'rental' issue (disc was clean and in good shape however).
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post #27717 of 30452
10/24/10 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Hkan, rumour of any FW for the Alien discs? Apparently they are causing playback problems on quite a few players.

????....they're not being released until the 26th, so who's having problems ?
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post #27718 of 30452
10/24/10 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Please see comments above, thank you.

golffnutt

This is how: (lot of work):
Desolder FLASHROM IC, erase it in programmer, reflash FLASH IC with very first firmware*, solder it back in player and voila, you have clear mainboard, which are ready to install any firmware newer than already installed in FlashROM.
You also need a ID Data disc and Service Remote Control.

There is another easier way:
There is a TOOL you can use whitch you can do everything you want. But you need to buy a license from Renesas and become licensed and authorised developer.

* You need to get this firmware, it is installed in every new mainboard for each player.
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post #27719 of 30452
10/24/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

This is how: (lot of work):
Desolder FLASHROM IC, erase it in programmer, reflash FLASH IC with very first firmware*, solder it back in player and voila, you have clear mainboard, which are ready to install any firmware newer than already installed in FlashROM.
You also need a ID Data disc and Service Remote Control.

There is another easier way:
There is a TOOL you can use whitch you can do everything you want. But you need to buy a license from Renesas and become licensed and authorised developer.

* You need to get this firmware, it is installed in every new mainboard for each player.

Thaks Hkan for that info. You're right, lot of work, not something I want to try. Rather buy a used player with an older firmware before trying this, probably would be cheaper. Thanks again.
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post #27720 of 30452
10/24/10 at 9:10pm
Hi,
Just a question about cd play back on a bdp-05fd.I am using multi chan analog out 5.1,and for the 1st time played a cd with test tones.(all speakers set small x over 80hz)
Does player do bass management on cd playback.Mine does not it plays fullrange left ,right,the manual is not clear on this?

Thankyou,Victor.
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