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post #28201 of 30446
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Originally Posted by airborn007 View Post

Odd how they finally have it working but not yet have the latest 1.70

That's what happens when you have so many lawyers in the US (it takes longer to get on the US website due to legal review).
post #28202 of 30446
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Originally Posted by LTD View Post

The US site has always been behind the UK one. Perhaps they deliberately wait a couple of weeks to let us Brits be the beta testers before posting it to the US server! Since I live in the USA now, I default to that site and don't mind waiting a little bit!

Lawrence

While it certainly has been the norm for the US site to lag behind the UK site, it seems this time it's taking longer than usual. Perhaps the US site redesign has set things back a bit more than usual?
post #28203 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

While it certainly has been the norm for the US site to lag behind the UK site, it seems this time it's taking longer than usual. Perhaps the US site redesign has set things back a bit more than usual?

Dunno, but it'd be nice if the webmaster put some kind of statement up that some links are broken and firmware downloads may be disabled for awhile so call customer support for help.

I think it's kind of lame even considering the holiday time off & vacations

Do a major website re-design that isn't functional literally right before Christmas so folks with new gear can't find information. Great time of year to make a wholesale change and great for your corporate image
post #28204 of 30446
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

That's what happens when you have so many lawyers in the US (it takes longer to get on the US website due to legal review).

Isn't this excuse from Pioneer US wearing a bit thin?

Yesterday I gave up & ordered the 2.70 disc for my BDP-09. If Pioneer wants to burn discs & pay for mailing rather than properly maintain a website, so be it.....

Corporate stupidity
post #28205 of 30446
Thanks to Rick R and others, I have my subwoofer back. By simply setting my speaker sizes to Large (even though most aren't) and to Bypass (I had previously set it to a crossover of 80HZ), my subwoofer came to life again. Much appreciated!

Happy New Year!
post #28206 of 30446
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Isn't this excuse from Pioneer US wearing a bit thin?

Corporate stupidity

I disagree. It's not an excuse, and it's not corporate stupidity. It's the way it is in this country, where frivolous lawsuits are commonplace.
post #28207 of 30446
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

dunno, but it'd be nice if the webmaster put some kind of statement up that some links are broken and firmware downloads may be disabled for awhile so call customer support for help.

I think it's kind of lame even considering the holiday time off & vacations

do a major website re-design that isn't functional literally right before christmas so folks with new gear can't find information. Great time of year to make a wholesale change and great for your corporate image

+1
post #28208 of 30446
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

I disagree. It's not an excuse, and it's not corporate stupidity. It's the way it is in this country, where frivolous lawsuits are commonplace.

I've always wondered what exactly it is about a firmware update these lawyers are reviewing?
post #28209 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I've always wondered what exactly it is about a firmware update these lawyers are reviewing?

bingo

Even if you accept the argument, the FACT that Pioneer posts the SAME firmware all over the world, and it is released in Japan & Europe ALWAYS 4+ weeks before the US gets around to posting it, PLUS the FACT that you can usually get the Pioneer disc BEFORE its posted on the website, makes the legalese issue a red herring.

Sorry, BillP, I couldn't disagree with you more on this.

PLUS Pioneer US' website is usually the LAST in the Pioneer world to be updated with new products. Tell me that's due to lawyers

I guess the FACT that their new website has the latest firmware DATES posted but broken download links with non-functional user logins is also due to the lawyers in the US

Or the fact that the web page for the BDP-09 has BDP-23 at the top tab heading. Are lawyers the reason for rushed or sloppy editing?

What does it say about a company that it allows a major website re-design to be hosted right at the most critical buying time in the world and it ends up being broken! To the degree that there own customer service people say "it has issues". You wouldn't catch Sony or Panasonic making that kind of mistake that can harm their reputation & image!!

If that isn't incompetence or stupidity, I don't know what else to call it.

Please.....I work with IT people & programmers in a billion dollar corporation with potential liability that far exceeds anything Pioneer could have & their delays are not due to legal issues
post #28210 of 30446
And if it turns out there are legitimate problems with 1.70/2.70/3.70 firmwares and Pio US doesn't want to post it due to bugs, they should also pull it from their servers and not mail out the discs. They could also post a clear message on the webpages saying why it's not available and post a message that if you install it from another Pioneer division, you do so at your own risk. Butts covered.

The fact that it's OK with the lawyers to get the disc or have my player install it over the internet, but not OK to download it from their website totally negates legal delays in the US as a reason.

post #28211 of 30446
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

And if it turns out there are legitimate problems with 1.70/2.70/3.70 firmwares and Pio US doesn't want to post it due to bugs, they should also pull it from their servers and not mail out the discs. They could also post a clear message on the webpages saying why it's not available and post a message that if you install it from another Pioneer division, you do so at your own risk. Butts covered.

The fact that it's OK with the lawyers to get the disc or have my player install it over the internet, but not OK to download it from their website totally negates legal delays in the US as a reason.


1. You can't get 1.7 for the 51FD by calling Pioneer US.
2. You can't have your player install it over the internet (there's no internet connection on the 51FD).
3. If you install it from the UK site, you do so at your own risk.
Pioneer claims they need Legal approval to release the latest upgrade in the US. Not sure why you are arguing over it (what reason would they have for lying about it). It will be available when it's available.

Edit: If you can get it by calling but not by downloading it from their US website, then I agree with you, it makes no sense.
post #28212 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I've always wondered what exactly it is about a firmware update these lawyers are reviewing?

There have been a few reports on the forum of bricking the player. At least if you upgrade with the official firmware, you're covered by Pioneer if that happens.
post #28213 of 30446
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

1. You can't get 1.7 for the 51FD by calling Pioneer US.
2. You can't have your player install it over the internet (there's no internet connection on the 51FD).
3. If you install it from the UK site, you do so at your own risk.
Pioneer claims they need Legal approval to release the latest upgrade in the US. Not sure why you are arguing over it (what reason would they have for lying about it). It will be available when it's available.

Edit: If you can get it by calling but not by downloading it from their US website, then I agree with you, it makes no sense.

1. I ordered 2.70 for the BDP-09 from Pioneer Parts yesterday, they are shipping it this week & it's not posted on the website 2.70 disc was actually available as early as Dec 1 but hasn't been on website all month.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19593148

Why 1.70 isn't available yet for the 05/51 is beyond me and is another indictment against Pioneer since they are both similar gen players.

2. Forgot that 05/51 was Bonus View - you win on that point
The BDP-09 does have ethernet and 2.70 can be downloaded from Pioneer servers - people have done it so my point is still valid.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post19608994

3. True, risk is on you. But it is an option.

Agreed - it will be available when it's available

The point you were making is that US legal issues are the reasons why Pioneer US is always last to post FW updates. My point is that is not consistent with the facts - what is consistent is that Pio US just is consistently very slow to update their website & deserves criticism for it.

Here are the facts -

2.70 for the 09 was released in Europe on Nov 30 and it was available as a disc in the US on Dec 1.

1 whole day is sure a long time for Pioneer's US lawyers to hold it up
!


1.70 for the 05/51 was also released in Europe on Nov 30 and you say unavailable on disc, servers or download here.

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...X71/index.html

Why some of you want to drink Pioneer koolaid & blame US legal system instead of putting it where it belongs - on Pioneer US - is a mystery....

"If you can get it by calling but not by downloading it from their US website, then I agree with you, it makes no sense."

Then you do agree with me
post #28214 of 30446
BTW - I do own an 05. It's in a box and hasn't been updated in awhile.
I posted here because some of you were asking why no 1.70 yet and to me the reason is obvious.

The 23 owners also can get a disc -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19729630
post #28215 of 30446
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Originally Posted by LTD View Post

The US site has always been behind the UK one. Perhaps they deliberately wait a couple of weeks to let us Brits be the beta testers before posting it to the US server! Since I live in the USA now, I default to that site and don't mind waiting a little bit!

Lawrence

Hi Lawrence and Guys

Well its about the only thing we are ever first for new models and movies can take a while to arrive here which can be frustrating for some. I see the new Oppo 93 release for the UK has been delayed because of firmware issues

Just a point though I note a lot of you are downloading from the UK. FYI the UK sometimes lags behind the Main Europe HQ site, albeit only usually a few days, which is where Pio UK get the firmware from. I am also under the impression that they now generate lot of the firmware upgrades out of Europe (and not Japan) for playability issues. The link to this wonderous site as I have provided before is http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...952/index.html

BTW looks like we were first with the snow as well this year and it has now gone (it'll be back) and looks from the news as though it is visiting you guys for New Year .

Anyway hope the Lawyers get it sorted (and earn their vast salaries) but certainly it looks as though the Pio US Webmaster needs a good butt kicking.

Happy New Year to you all, we'll be swinging it's the Wifes birthday New Years Eve.

Best wishes, Rick
post #28216 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

...it looks as though the Pio US Webmaster needs a good butt kicking.

Happy New Year to you all, we'll be swinging it's the Wifes birthday New Years Eve.

Best wishes, Rick

I do agree with you but that should be no surprise, as I've said the same thing for about 5 yrs
Happy New Year to you too, Rick!
post #28217 of 30446
Whatever the case maybe with Pioneer now....I've moved on to a different brand. My 05 and PRO 101 has been fantastic equipmennt and treated me well since day one. No more plasma line and now cometically players don't look as good as they use to be or built sturdy. Pioneer players are still slow good luck fellows.
post #28218 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I've always wondered what exactly it is about a firmware update these lawyers are reviewing?

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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

There have been a few reports on the forum of bricking the player. At least if you upgrade with the official firmware, you're covered by Pioneer if that happens.

My appologies, but I don't understand how your response relates to my question.

I do understand the recommendation of waiting for the firmware to appear on the US site, but I don't understand what exactly lawyers are reviewing (if anything). Certainly the lawyers aren't making sure the firmware is stable and won't "brick" the player.

In light of the fact that Pioneer makes the firmware available to order on disc before it's available on the website makes the "must pass US legal" reason even more suspect. BTW, this isn't the first time you could order the firmware on disc before it was available to download from the US site.

Whatever the reason for the delay, it's obvious from my experience with Pioneer over the past few years that communication with their customers is not one of their strong points.
post #28219 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

My appologies, but I don't understand how your response relates to my question.

I do understand the recommendation of waiting for the firmware to appear on the US site, but I don't understand what exactly lawyers are reviewing (if anything). Certainly the lawyers aren't making sure the firmware is stable and won't "brick" the player.

In light of the fact that Pioneer makes the firmware available to order on disc before it's available on the website makes the "must pass US legal" reason even more suspect. BTW, this isn't the first time you could order the firmware on disc before it was available to download from the US site.

Whatever the reason for the delay, it's obvious from my experience with Pioneer over the past few years that communication with their customers is not one of their strong points.

Fully agree that Pioneer needs to communicate better with their customers. My biggest beef with them is that they were VERY slow delivering features on the 51FD that were promised originally (I bought it when 1st available, at top dollar, and real performance improvements took quite a while, and some, such as speed and fewer tracking errors, were never delivered). Slight delays in firmware upgrades, IMO, are no big deal.

As to your other points, I do not believe, at least with the 51FD, that they have ever made available firmware upgrades (by calling Customer Service) that were not available online. There has always been a delay, compared to Europe, whether by mail from Customer Service or online. I don't know what Legal has to approve -- try calling Pioneer to ask them. My guess would be to ensure the upgrade works properly (without bricking the player). Maybe patent issues? I am not a lawyer. All I know is that they have publicly stated Legal approval as the reason why the US upgrades are delayed compared to other regions. If you choose not to believe them, I really don't care.
post #28220 of 30446
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Fully agree that Pioneer needs to communicate better with their customers. My biggest beef with them is that they were VERY slow delivering features on the 51FD that were promised originally (I bought it when 1st available, at top dollar, and real performance improvements took quite a while, and some, such as speed and fewer tracking errors, were never delivered). Slight delays in firmware upgrades, IMO, are no big deal.

+1

I also bought the 51 soon after release like you did and know exactly what you are saying.

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As to your other points, I do not believe, at least with the 51FD, that they have ever made available firmware upgrades (by calling) that were not available online. There has always been a delay, compared to Europe, whether by mail from Customer Service or online. I don't know what Legal has to approve -- try calling Pioneer to ask them. My guess would be to ensure the upgrade works properly (without bricking the player). Maybe patent issues? I am not a lawyer. All I know is that they have publicly stated Legal approval as a reason why the US upgrades are delayed compared to other regions. If you choose not to believe them, I really don't care.

I know there was at least one time I received a firmware update from Pioneer USA that was never made available online (don't remember the version number). Perhaps it was because I made so many calls to Pioneer about bugs that needed fixing that they sent me something to shut me up (it didn't work).

I'm sure we will never be told officially, but it would be interesting to know what legal issues are reviewed for the US website release. Perhaps on some level each new update constitutes some kind of new legal agreement between Pioneer and the end user so must be approved by their legal dept?

Just to be clear, I'm not particulary bothered by the delay, even though it seems longer than usual this time, since I'm not having any current issues with my Pio 320 (I sold my 51 earlier this year). Also, it seems that vx.7 has a bug relating to the new BD resume feature added in the firmware. For that reason I plan on skipping this update. It's been suggested by another AVS member that perhaps we may not see vx.7 in the US because of this bug and may have to wait for the next update (pure speculation, of course).

post #28221 of 30446
Apologies in advance if this has been covered in the hundreds of pages on this thread. Here's the scenario...

I've burned the 1.68 version from Pioneer support. After putting the disc in and using the front controls (not the remote) the screen shows "DATA DISC". Nothing happens after that. Pushing play in an effort to start the process gives me "This procedure cannot be accomplished at this time".

A call to Pioneer customer service and they tell me it must have been a bad burn to the CD-R. The will 2 day mail me the newer 1.7 version.

Received the disc and attempted the upgrade. The exact same thing happened as before..."DATA DISC"...etc. I call the same folks and they tell me they suspect there was a bad batch of discs were created. They apologized and offered to express me another disc. I agreed...

New disc shows up in 2 days...kudos to Pioneer. Damned if the exact same thing didn't happen. Enough I say... I've done work with the owner of Audio Concepts in N. Attleboro, MA. He offers to have his Pioneer tech take a look gratas to me...did I mention the owner is a great guy.

Unfortunately, the tech (who is competent and a very decent guy as well) cannot get the update to happen either. So now he gets Pioneer dealer service on the phone (I didn't realize they are a whole different set of folks). The Pioneer tech takes the details, says he hasn't encountered the issue but offers to research this and get back with us. About 20 minutes later he calls back (we're at the store btw) and reports....drumroll...he has no clue what the heck is happening.

Tells us to call customer service again and take one more shot with another disc from Pioneer...good lord!

Please, does anyone have any relevant information on this "DATA DISC" that will help the situation (no guessing...I don't want to create a boat anchor). Outside of the update issue the player works fine. Also, the player has never been updated so it's runnning the original 1.02. I have the same issues with various movies mentioned, Avatar, etc. The picture is still fantastic but it's leaving me with a very bad taste for Pioneer Elite. I'm a carpenter by trade and $800 is a significant amount of money.

Huge thanks in advance to anyone that can offer a solution.

Dutch S.
post #28222 of 30446
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Originally Posted by mako20ft View Post

Apologies in advance if this has been covered in the hundreds of pages on this thread. Here's the scenario...

I've burned the 1.68 version from Pioneer support. After putting the disc in and using the front controls (not the remote) the screen shows "DATA DISC". Nothing happens after that. Pushing play in an effort to start the process gives me "This procedure cannot be accomplished at this time".

A call to Pioneer customer service and they tell me it must have been a bad burn to the CD-R. The will 2 day mail me the newer 1.7 version.

Received the disc and attempted the upgrade. The exact same thing happened as before..."DATA DISC"...etc. I call the same folks and they tell me they suspect there was a bad batch of discs were created. They apologized and offered to express me another disc. I agreed...

New disc shows up in 2 days...kudos to Pioneer. Damned if the exact same thing didn't happen. Enough I say... I've done work with the owner of Audio Concepts in N. Attleboro, MA. He offers to have his Pioneer tech take a look gratas to me...did I mention the owner is a great guy.

Unfortunately, the tech (who is competent and a very decent guy as well) cannot get the update to happen either. So now he gets Pioneer dealer service on the phone (I didn't realize they are a whole different set of folks). The Pioneer tech takes the details, says he hasn't encountered the issue but offers to research this and get back with us. About 20 minutes later he calls back (we're at the store btw) and reports....drumroll...he has no clue what the heck is happening.

Tells us to call customer service again and take one more shot with another disc from Pioneer...good lord!

Please, does anyone have any relevant information on this "DATA DISC" that will help the situation (no guessing...I don't want to create a boat anchor). Outside of the update issue the player works fine. Also, the player has never been updated so it's runnning the original 1.02. I have the same issues with various movies mentioned, Avatar, etc. The picture is still fantastic but it's leaving me with a very bad taste for Pioneer Elite. I'm a carpenter by trade and $800 is a significant amount of money.

Huge thanks in advance to anyone that can offer a solution.

Dutch S.

Most likely you burned a data disc containing an ISO file and not the actual contents. Re-burn the CD using imgburn and try again. http://www.imgburn.com/
post #28223 of 30446
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

+1



Just to be clear, I'm not particulary bothered by the delay, even though it seems longer than usual this time, since I'm not having any current issues with my Pio 320 (I sold my 51 earlier this year). Also, it seems that vx.7 has a bug relating to the new BD resume feature added in the firmware. For that reason I plan on skipping this update. It's been suggested by another AVS member that perhaps we may not see vx.7 in the US because of this bug and may have to wait for the next update (pure speculation, of course).


Well certainly no problems with the 51/05 firmware ver 1.70 that I am aware of, all my BD's that resumed previously (one way or the other e.g. Avatar restart resume) and all the new BD's, some very recent, with resume are all OK.

That said I was interested in your vx.7 firmware version for the 320 and checked Euro site which shows it as 3.70, out of curiosity I checked the Japanese site and they have 3.70 for the 320 as well as 1.70 for the 51FD.

My thought would be if there is a problem with that version (another problem as well as that suggested for 1.69a) then it would not be on the Japanese site they most definitely would not dirty their own nest.

Of course I could be totally wrong I have not looked at the 320 forum yet, but it looks like another Pio US delay to me.

BTW Checked out the Oppo 93 details, when it's been running here for a while I may consider it, specially as the price is likely to fall when the 95 arrives (not much difference between them I gather if you only use HDMI like I do) but what does attract me and I need to replace the BD30 at some point are the two HDMI outputs (forget 3D that is a very lame and I suspect dead duck, as if we didn't know that was going to be the case).

I can really think of several ways to use twin HDMI outputs (which Pio shortsightedly are not doing), plus some other good features all for a reasonable price make it look pretty worth while, but no way am I going to be an early adopter, lets see how it runs for a couple of months or so. None the less it may make a successor for the 05 (LX71) I was not going to upgrade

Best wishes for the New Year, Rick
post #28224 of 30446
I actually thought there was a problem with 1.69, so I'm letting it sit in my drawer, waiting for 1.7. Maybe I'll wait for the next one instead since I'm not having any problems.
post #28225 of 30446
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Most likely you burned a data disc containing an ISO file and not the actual contents. Re-burn the CD using imgburn and try again. http://www.imgburn.com/

nice thought but I think he also said that pioneer sent him not one but two discs during this "effort".... so that would seem to be a problem. Of course, its quite possible that pioneer no longer has "support staff" that know how to burn a suitable disc.... this is a good possibility in this day and age of "out sourcing / off-off shoring"...:-) I would think that you should be able to get a computer "guy" to at least verify that the pioneer disc(s) have an ISO image on them ... maybe. On the other side of things, it might be that the "jump" in versions might not work as expected. Rather suspicious but also not outside the realm of software upgrading.
post #28226 of 30446
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Most likely you burned a data disc containing an ISO file and not the actual contents. Re-burn the CD using imgburn and try again. http://www.imgburn.com/

Thank you but the same problem persists using not one but two update CD's that Pioneer has mailed me. They are factory discs so I wouldn't think this would be an issue.

Please...anybody?
post #28227 of 30446
you might try my suggestion and look at the discs on your computer. IF you "list/view" them, what does the computer tell you about the files that it "sees".
post #28228 of 30446
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

I actually thought there was a problem with 1.69, so I'm letting it sit in my drawer, waiting for 1.7. Maybe I'll wait for the next one instead since I'm not having any problems.

I am doing the same, I am at 1.65 and have had no trouble playing bd's. Hope 1.7 is trouble free.
post #28229 of 30446
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Originally Posted by mako20ft View Post
Apologies in advance if this has been covered in the hundreds of pages on this thread. Here's the scenario...

I've burned the 1.68 version from Pioneer support. After putting the disc in and using the front controls (not the remote) the screen shows "DATA DISC". Nothing happens after that. Pushing play in an effort to start the process gives me "This procedure cannot be accomplished at this time".

A call to Pioneer customer service and they tell me it must have been a bad burn to the CD-R. The will 2 day mail me the newer 1.7 version.

Received the disc and attempted the upgrade. The exact same thing happened as before..."DATA DISC"...etc. I call the same folks and they tell me they suspect there was a bad batch of discs were created. They apologized and offered to express me another disc. I agreed...

New disc shows up in 2 days...kudos to Pioneer. Damned if the exact same thing didn't happen. Enough I say... I've done work with the owner of Audio Concepts in N. Attleboro, MA. He offers to have his Pioneer tech take a look gratas to me...did I mention the owner is a great guy.

Unfortunately, the tech (who is competent and a very decent guy as well) cannot get the update to happen either. So now he gets Pioneer dealer service on the phone (I didn't realize they are a whole different set of folks). The Pioneer tech takes the details, says he hasn't encountered the issue but offers to research this and get back with us. About 20 minutes later he calls back (we're at the store btw) and reports....drumroll...he has no clue what the heck is happening.

Tells us to call customer service again and take one more shot with another disc from Pioneer...good lord!

Please, does anyone have any relevant information on this "DATA DISC" that will help the situation (no guessing...I don't want to create a boat anchor). Outside of the update issue the player works fine. Also, the player has never been updated so it's runnning the original 1.02. I have the same issues with various movies mentioned, Avatar, etc. The picture is still fantastic but it's leaving me with a very bad taste for Pioneer Elite. I'm a carpenter by trade and $800 is a significant amount of money.

Huge thanks in advance to anyone that can offer a solution.

Dutch S.
Hi Dutch,

Sorry to hear about your problem. I have looked at your post and some of the other suggestions made by others and one has possibly some relevance.

Bearing in mind your player appears in all other respects to be operating normally, can I suggest the following, it may or may not work but is worth a shot. Your 1.02 issue is very very early and it has been suggested by another poster that it could be quite a big step to go to 1.68 in one update (I think someone had a similar problem in the early part of this year). So perhaps loading a much earlier version first say 1.17 and if that works, then say 1.25 or 1.32 and then the latest version. BTW interesting in view of some of the recent posts you got 1.70 from Pio US

If they are still willing to help the Tech at Audio Concepts may have access to earlier firmware versions (I have kept all mine from new but they start at 1.25. 1.02 was way before my time) and I think there was one at 1.17 which might be a possible starting point. It should be possible in any case to find these earlier versions on the internet I will check Pioneer FAQ and add a link with an edit if they are on his site.

I do hope this helps resolve your problem, it is possible because there have been some major changes in the firmware over the period 1.25 to 1.37 which may make the later versions incompatible with your very early version, it does seem the only logical reason but you would have thought Pio would know.

Good luck and best wishes, Rick

PS the link to Pioneer FAQ is http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/b...tion=Firmwares but he only has the latest firmware on his site. It may be worth a PM to Hkan who runs that site to see if he has earlier versions of the firmware. He posts fairly regularly on this forum.
post #28230 of 30446
Have a question, is there any problems with version 169a? I could update the firmware now with it or should I wait for 170?
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