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post #29941 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

The reason why the drives probably fail is that they were first generation units. The drives get more reliable as they work out the engineering and design issues...

Jon,

I agree with you, but replacing these drives on the 05FD and 51FD is money poorly spent with probably no more than a 90 day warranty from Pioneer. However, it is not my money.
post #29942 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

The reason why the drives probably fail is that they were first generation units. The drives get more reliable as they work out the engineering and design issues...

Possibly, but I think these are second generation drives, maybe third.

Pioneer OEM'd the Sony BDP-S1 released in October 2006 and then released their own version, nearly a twin, the BDP-HD1 shortly after in January 2007. Pioneer followed quickly with the BDP-94HD, August 2007 and BDP-95FD, September 2007. The BDP-05FD and BDP-51FD drives do not cross reference with any of these older units.

I have a Sony BDP-S1 that continues to play any Blu-ray or DVD without fail; at this point a bullet proof first gen machine with a Pioneer drive.

Who knows what the reason might be. Some people, in this thread, anecdotally report rock solid performance and others have reported everything under the sun that could go wrong, has gone wrong with the BDP-05FD and BDP-51FD.

The time that the BDP-05FD, BDP-51FD, and BDP-09 came to market Pioneer was under severe financial pressure, bleeding money, and near bankrupt. All three of those machines have had anecodotally poor service history. Short cuts in the assembly process, poor quality control, who really knows what may have happened?

Pioneer is primarly an OEM automotive supplier now. Its days as a high profile or quality mid-fi CE company are behind them IMHO. Digital media and digital media playback has become a great equalizer for CE products.
post #29943 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Pioneer followed quickly with the BDP-94HD, August 2007 and BDP-95FD, September 2007. The BDP-05FD and BDP-51FD drives do not cross reference with any of these older units

this is interesting, I remember well the BDP-94 and BDP-95 models, they faired pretty well as I remember? (maybe I'll have to go back and browse those threads) I can't remember these units having excessive drive failures combined with other assorted issues- correct me if I'm wrong? These were 1rst-generation BD products.
post #29944 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Possibly, but I think these are second generation drives, maybe third.

Pioneer OEM'd the Sony BDP-S1 released in October 2006 and then released their own version, nearly a twin, the BDP-HD1 shortly after in January 2007. Pioneer followed quickly with the BDP-94HD, August 2007 and BDP-95FD, September 2007. The BDP-05FD and BDP-51FD drives do not cross reference with any of these older units.

I have a Sony BDP-S1 that continues to play any Blu-ray or DVD without fail; at this point a bullet proof first gen machine with a Pioneer drive.

Who knows what the reason might be. Some people, in this thread, anecdotally report rock solid performance and others have reported everything under the sun that could go wrong, has gone wrong with the BDP-05FD and BDP-51FD.

The time that the BDP-05FD, BDP-51FD, and BDP-09 came to market Pioneer was under severe financial pressure, bleeding money, and near bankrupt. All three of those machines have had anecodotally poor service history. Short cuts in the assembly process, poor quality control, who really knows what may have happened?

Pioneer is primarly an OEM automotive supplier now. Its days as a high profile or quality mid-fi CE company are behind them IMHO. Digital media and digital media playback has become a great equalizer for CE products.

Good post, that about sums it up for me. I think they are possibly 3rd gen drives but what staggered me was the price in your earlier post, I knew they weren't cheap but you can buy an Oppo 93 for that kind of money, thats way over the top for drive which is basically a computer bluray writer with the write function disabled. I won't be buying their products for my car either.
post #29945 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Good post, that about sums it up for me. I think they are possibly 3rd gen drives but what staggered me was the price in your earlier post, I knew they weren't cheap but you can buy an Oppo 93 for that kind of money, thats way over the top for drive which is basically a computer bluray writer with the write function disabled. I won't be buying their products for my car either.

Agreed, that's really the point I was making, there are much better alternatives today, at multiple price points, vs. repairing one of these dinosaurs.

I had a BDP-09 for about two days and returned it. It was very pretty. But the only thing it did any better than the BDP-05 that I bought six month earlier was DVD up-conversion, and the amount of difference was not worth its $2000.00 price tag.

I still have my BDP-05 and it preforms yeoman's work connected to a Pioneer plasma display in the family room; no complaints other than its slow load times.

If the Oppo BDP-83 had come to market six months earlier I would have not given these Pioneer units the time of day. On the other hand, if wishes were fishes, we'd all have a fry.
post #29946 of 30708
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

this is interesting, I remember well the BDP-94 and BDP-95 models, they faired pretty well as I remember? (maybe I'll have to go back and browse those threads) I can't remember these units having excessive drive failures combined with other assorted issues- correct me if I'm wrong? These were 1rst-generation BD products.

I would tend to think of the BDP-94HD and BDP-95FD as second generation machines; the BDP-HD1 being first generation. The BDP-95FD for sure as a second generation machine just for the switch from HD to FD suffix.

The BDP-05FD, BDP-51FD, and BDP-09FD all were based on a supposedly in house developed SoC. I'm thinking this maybe puts them in as third generation machines.
post #29947 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post


I still have my BDP-05 and it preforms yeoman's work connected to a Pioneer plasma display in the family room; no complaints other than its slow load times.

Me too, although mine is now running in my den into a Pio AVR and does not get worked so hard but crossed fingers its still working fine. I'm running an Oppo 93 for the main duties nice solid machine but even they have their quirks although pretty few, found out the other day an oldish NTSC region 1 DVD (Mission to Mars) freezes the Oppo if I try to fast forward, the only button that works is the power off button, that DVD works fine on the 05

On another subject, I wonder who will have the honour of turning this thread to the 1000th page?
post #29948 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

On another subject, I wonder who will have the honour of turning this thread to the 1000th page?

Oh, me, me let it be me !!

YAMM (Yet Another Meaningless Milestone)

Edit: it wasn't me
post #29949 of 30708
anyone know where I can land a 51/05 model? Eventhough there are drive failures reported...I really regret selling my Elite 09 back in 2010. It was the BEST audio I've ever heard in my HT. Used with an Onkyo 805 AVR, the 09 was the horse that drove the decoding Soundstage was large and natural and larger than life when using the 5.1 analouge outs. Ah, those Wolfson DACS. The HDMI route, while very good, seems 'compressed'.

Anyway, would love to get one of these again.
post #29950 of 30708
I have no problems with my 51FD, but I was curious if it's possible to take a drive mechanisms from one of their pc units and adapt it to the player. Obviously you wouldn't use the housing or tray, but perhaps the motor, laser and board?
post #29951 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Tim Glover View Post

anyone know where I can land a 51/05 model? Eventhough there are drive failures reported...I really regret selling my Elite 09 back in 2010. It was the BEST audio I've ever heard in my HT. Used with an Onkyo 805 AVR, the 09 was the horse that drove the decoding Soundstage was large and natural and larger than life when using the 5.1 analouge outs. Ah, those Wolfson DACS. The HDMI route, while very good, seems 'compressed'.

Anyway, would love to get one of these again.

Can be easily found with anyone of the usual suspects...
  • videogon
  • audiogon
  • e-bay
post #29952 of 30708
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I have no problems with my 51FD, but I was curious if it's possible to take a drive mechanisms from one of their pc units and adapt it to the player. Obviously you wouldn't use the housing or tray, but perhaps the motor, laser and board?

I suppose you could make anything work or it's possible if money and time are no object.

Why would it be obvious that "you wouldn't use the housing or tray"?
post #29953 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

I suppose you could make anything work or it's possible if money and time are no object.

Why would it be obvious that "you wouldn't use the housing or tray"?

The tray may not fit the playerand the housing would need to be removed in order to extract the components you need. The housing for those pc blueray players also have components you wouldn't need like sata and power plugs etc. If it's just the laser or motor etc. I have a Pioneer blu ray burner, but haven't opened it up.
post #29954 of 30708
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

The tray may not fit the playerand the housing would need to be removed in order to extract the components you need. The housing for those pc blueray players also have components you wouldn't need like sata and power plugs etc. If it's just the laser or motor etc. I have a Pioneer blu ray burner, but haven't opened it up.

The data interface is either SATA or IDE, you have to have one or the other. The motor needs some electricity to spin up which means you need to keep the power plug, etc, etc.

But it sounds like you have a plan... Good luck!
post #29955 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

The data interface is either SATA or IDE, you have to have one or the other. The motor needs some electricity to spin up which means you need to keep the power plug, etc, etc.

But it sounds like you have a plan... Good luck!

I have no intention of dismantling my perfectly good 51. Anyway, it was clear you weren't following what I was saying by parting out the mechanisms, not the entire drive unit. Obviously once you take of the housing of both units you'd be able to see if anything can be interchanged.
post #29956 of 30708
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I have no intention of dismantling my perfectly good 51. Anyway, it was clear you weren't following what I was saying by parting out the mechanisms, not the entire drive unit. Obviously once you take of the housing of both units you'd be able to see if anything can be interchanged.

Oh, I followed it completely.

What is clear, is that you did not read my two earlier posts from the last page.

What is also clear is that it is pointless, an exercise in futility, to argue with a man on a mission.

Information below for your reference. The "new drive" referenced is Pioneer part number: VXX3325.

If you plan to piece together a working drive unit, you will need at least two VXX3325 drives and there is no guarantee that it will work. Other drives from Pioneer are apparently not compatible with the motherboard.



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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

To replace the drive you will need a service remote, the ID Data disk from Pioneer, and the CPRM ID for the machine and of course the new drive. The Pioneer service manual might also be helpful. There is the possibility that you can brick the machine as well.

This is all doable if you're willing to spend the time and money and have the skill to do it.

IMO and to be honest, if you really feel that you must have one of these machines, it's probably a better idea and a cheaper alternative to look for a used one. The BDP 05FD and 51FD are four year old machines now and really, they looked better on paper than they really were/are.

Your board swap idea might work and then again it might not. It's still probably cheaper to buy a used working machine than a new drive to take apart and swap the board.

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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Rick, in this case as he suggested, I believe he would have to swap out the boards (electronics) on the drives only. You would then be using the new drive "mechanicals" with the old drive electronics keeping the proper electronic ID credentials to match up with the players motherboard.

A new drive for these machines, if you can find one, is typically north of $200. You can buy a used machine for less. If you bought a working used machine, why bother to change the drive out?

If the argument to save the machine for the analog out's of the 05/51, then I would suggest one's money is better spent on a new AVR or pre/pro with good DAC's and utilization of HDMI as we are well into the "Analog Sunset".
post #29957 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Oh, I followed it completely.

What is clear, is that you did not read my two earlier posts from the last page.

What is also clear is that it is pointless, an exercise in futility, to argue with a man on a mission.

Information below for your reference. The "new drive" referenced is Pioneer part number: VXX3325.

If you plan to piece together a working drive unit, you will need at least two VXX3325 drives and there is no guarantee that it will work. Other drives from Pioneer are apparently not compatible with the motherboard.

I didn't see your earlier posts and I was just making a suggestion, so excuse me if I pushed you buttons. Could have avoided the whole conversation if you mentioned that it was already discussed, which I clearly missed.
post #29958 of 30708
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I didn't see your earlier posts and I was just making a suggestion, so excuse me if I pushed you buttons. Could have avoided the whole conversation if you mentioned that it was already discussed, which I clearly missed.

No buttons pushed...

Just interested to understand why you thought that "Obviously you wouldn't use the housing or tray" or have "components you wouldn't need like sata and power plugs"?

Sorry, it's just not obvious to me that these parts are/were optional.
post #29959 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

No buttons pushed...

Just interested to understand why you thought that "Obviously you wouldn't use the housing or tray" or have "components you wouldn't need like sata and power plugs"?

Sorry, it's just not obvious to me that these parts are/were optional.

I was thinking an internal Pioneer drive like the BDC-202BKS. Removing the housing or chasis from the drive and using parts from the drive, like motor, laser, drive mechanism etc. I wouldn't stick the entire drive inside a BD51FD. As I said, it was a suggestion to see if it would be a possibility since a drive like that costs much less than an a pioneer replacement for the unit. The parts may not be compatible at all, but I thought it could be something to look into.
post #29960 of 30708
About a year back I picked up a second BDP-51 on the BB private auction site for mere change compared to what I paid for the first one I bought brand new. I plan on using it for parts if my first (retail purchased) version ever goes bad.

After hearing about the problems folks are having on this thread, I'm glad I did that.

Of course, if it does start flaking out on me, I'll probably use that as an excuse to just pick up the latest Oppo...
post #29961 of 30708
not a bad idea................
post #29962 of 30708
I don't follow this thread like I used to but are people having issues with their hardware now? I've got two 51's and I've never had a single hardware issue with either one.
post #29963 of 30708
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Originally Posted by kemitchell View Post

I don't follow this thread like I used to but are people having issues with their hardware now? I've got two 51's and I've never had a single hardware issue with either one.

Me too...haven't had 1 problem with my 51 and if It went out I'd probably get an Oppo.
post #29964 of 30708
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Originally Posted by L8N8 View Post

About a year back I picked up a second BDP-51 on the BB private auction site for mere change compared to what I paid for the first one I bought brand new. I plan on using it for parts if my first (retail purchased) version ever goes bad.

After hearing about the problems folks are having on this thread, I'm glad I did that.

Of course, if it does start flaking out on me, I'll probably use that as an excuse to just pick up the latest Oppo...

I have an oppo BDP-83 and I prefer the picture of the Pioneer. Beyond that, the Oppo is an awesome player with very fast loading times.
post #29965 of 30708
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I have an oppo BDP-83 and I prefer the picture of the Pioneer. Beyond that, the Oppo is an awesome player with very fast loading times.

Friend of mine has the 93 and a 51. The only reason he likes the Oppo better is the load times. It doesn't bother me that the 51 has slow load times. Won't be moving on until this thing breaks down!
post #29966 of 30708
I have the Elite 05 and an Oppo 83..love'm both for different reasons.....but the 05 has my heart
post #29967 of 30708
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Originally Posted by gce View Post

me too...haven't had 1 problem with my 51 and if it went out i'd probably get an oppo.

+1
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post #29969 of 30708
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Originally Posted by oligregoire View Post

New firmware update: 1.73:

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...ml#download_18

Anyone want to start a dead pool on what will be the final update? I'm taking 1.75
post #29970 of 30708
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Originally Posted by aggoodin View Post

Anyone want to start a dead pool on what will be the final update? I'm taking 1.75

To Pioneer's credit, they still continue to support all the machines that they have produced. That would include three machine's produced before the BDP-05/51's.
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