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post #30181 of 30708
Luke! So much cheaper and easier if you want to stay int the BDP-51 family! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-BDP-51FD-Blu-Ray-Player-/281033597961?pt=DVD_Players_Recorders&hash=item416ee86409

Or, something like it.
post #30182 of 30708
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Luke! So much cheaper and easier if you want to stay int the BDP-51 family! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-BDP-51FD-Blu-Ray-Player-/281033597961?pt=DVD_Players_Recorders&hash=item416ee86409
Or, something like it.

Hello erkq

Thanks for answer!
Hey! $95.00....Not expensive if I want to make myself a backup!
Don't worry! I never said I wanted to get out of IT as I just explained how I will be repairing my machine, thus confirming my stay in the familly! Get it?
I love my machine, I love the Stereo output sound because I like very much these Wolfson Dac's.
By the way do you know that some manufs like Rotel use a differential pair of these for a self-contained $1000 CD DAC? (Maybe you know...OK!)
But I have to point out that I just hate the disks loading time.
By the way anybody has solution for this?...straight or wild? Increase SD memory maybe?
My last update : 1.73...can't do better for now!

Luke
Edited by Luke123 - 12/7/12 at 9:56am
post #30183 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Luke123 View Post

Hello erkq
Thanks for answer!
Hey! $95.00....Not expensive if I want to make myself a backup!
Don't worry! I never said I wanted to get out of IT as I just explained how I will be repairing my machine, thus confirming my stay in the familly! Get it?
I love my machine, I love the Stereo output sound because I like very much these Wolfson Dac's.
By the way do you know that some manufs like Rotel use a differential pair of these for a self-contained $1000 CD DAC? (Maybe you know...OK!)
But I have to point out that I just hate the disks loading time.
By the way anybody has solution for this?...straight or wild? Increase SD memory maybe?
My last update : 1.73...can't do better for now!
Luke

First, I want to make sure you know that example "for sale" BD player on eBay I posted is for a BDP-51fd. You would still be "in the family" and have those wonderful DAC's if you bought a used BDP-51fd. Yes, I know about the DAC's. That's why I have one.

About the slow load times: Be sure to put the evening's disk in before you crack open the bottle of wine, open the beer and serve up hor dourves. Then it'll be ready when you are. It's a non-issue for me and my guests. We usually toddle into the theater a good 15 minutes after system start-up... plenty of time for that slow-as-molasses BD player to get it's rear in gear. So, I say, if you're impatient with it, you're doing "movie night" wrong. Have a glass of wine and relax! smile.gif

Other than that, there is no solution to the slow startup time. It is what it is.
post #30184 of 30708
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

First, I want to make sure you know that example "for sale" BD player on eBay I posted is for a BDP-51fd. You would still be "in the family" and have those wonderful DAC's if you bought a used BDP-51fd. Yes, I know about the DAC's. That's why I have one.
About the slow load times: Be sure to put the evening's disk in before you crack open the bottle of wine, open the beer and serve up hor dourves. Then it'll be ready when you are. It's a non-issue for me and my guests. We usually toddle into the theater a good 15 minutes after system start-up... plenty of time for that slow-as-molasses BD player to get it's rear in gear. So, I say, if you're impatient with it, you're doing "movie night" wrong. Have a glass of wine and relax! smile.gif
Other than that, there is no solution to the slow startup time. It is what it is.


Oh my dear...philosophy!
I love this!
Specially the wine part!biggrin.gif

Luke

PS. OK...you're right.
post #30185 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Luke123 View Post

Oh my dear...philosophy!
I love this!
Specially the wine part!biggrin.gif
Luke
PS. OK...you're right.

Yeah... we really love having our home theater. It's so awesome to have your wine, popcorn and dog with you!
post #30186 of 30708
Not only that!
Unlike viewing a movie in a public theatre...
You can pause the movie if one has to go for a pee!!
That...is...something!!!biggrin.gif

Luke
post #30187 of 30708
Is everyone getting the audio dropouts on Total Recall?
post #30188 of 30708
I had two audio drop outs with Total Recall. Both times the sound was out of sync after the drop outs. I paused the movie briefly then hit play to restore sync.
post #30189 of 30708
I tried loading Ice Age: Continental Drift the other day and it wouldn't load fully. It did start out with the "20th Century Fox" logo and then it simply quit. I figured I must need the newest Firmware Update for this one, as I only have 1.72. I made a zip file and burned it to a CD-RW but after putting that in my player it read "Data Disc." So, I tried burning 3 more discs but to no avail. Everything was done exactly according to Pioneer's instructions and when I check the burned disc in my computer the right files are on there from the zip file, so what gives? I should mention that after burning the three files (that make up the one zip file) onto the CD-RW the familiar window came up telling me the file was burned successfully. I have done Firmware Updates many times using the same CD-RWs, so that can't be the problem.
Edited by djoberg - 12/23/12 at 3:57pm
post #30190 of 30708
Most likely you aren't burning the disc correctly.... :-( depending on the system you are using... MAC pretty straight forward, PC .... well depending on what software, you need to set the output correctly otherwise you will end up with a "data disc".
post #30191 of 30708
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Originally Posted by budwich View Post

Most likely you aren't burning the disc correctly.... :-( depending on the system you are using... MAC pretty straight forward, PC .... well depending on what software, you need to set the output correctly otherwise you will end up with a "data disc".

What do you mean by "setting the output correctly?" I am using WinZip and a burner that came with my new PC to burn the CD-RW and it seems pretty straightforward. And like I said, once I'm done I put the CD-RW back in the computer, open it up and the exact files from the zip file are on there. (Pioneer's website states that if this is the case your player should recognize it as a firmware update and not a data disc.)
post #30192 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

What do you mean by "setting the output correctly?" I am using WinZip and a burner that came with my new PC to burn the CD-RW and it seems pretty straightforward. And like I said, once I'm done I put the CD-RW back in the computer, open it up and the exact files from the zip file are on there. (Pioneer's website states that if this is the case your player should recognize it as a firmware update and not a data disc.)

It has to be burnt as an image file... like an ISO file. If it's a computer disk that shows computer files it won't work.

The easiest thing is to get Pioneer to send you one. They do it for free and they are very quick about it. You'll have it a couple of days later. I know how to burn a disk and I get it from Pioneer anyway. It's just easier.
post #30193 of 30708
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Is everyone getting the audio dropouts on Total Recall?

Yes it seems so, various machines including Oppo and Panasonic users are experiencing these drop outs (the new version of Total Recall), general opinion appears to be it is faulty authoring or production and that the studio will probably replace it when they get enough complaints. Glad I never bought it yet:)
post #30194 of 30708
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

It has to be burnt as an image file... like an ISO file. If it's a computer disk that shows computer files it won't work.
The easiest thing is to get Pioneer to send you one. They do it for free and they are very quick about it. You'll have it a couple of days later. I know how to burn a disk and I get it from Pioneer anyway. It's just easier.

I was so frustrated last night that I did go ahead and order one from Pioneer. When I first purchased the 05 I ordered one from them (Version 1.65) and then I burnt my own copy for Version 1.72. I had zero problems doing it and my player recognized it as a Firmware Update immediately. I wonder if something has changed in the process since then? I should mention that I have Windows 7 and on Pioneer's instruction page it doesn't include Windows 7 in systems that are compatible (it stopped at Vista), but I thought how in the world could they be giving Firmware Updates in 2012 without including Windows 7, so I tried it anyway thinking that must be a mistake.
post #30195 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I was so frustrated last night that I did go ahead and order one from Pioneer. When I first purchased the 05 I ordered one from them (Version 1.65) and then I burnt my own copy for Version 1.72. I had zero problems doing it and my player recognized it as a Firmware Update immediately. I wonder if something has changed in the process since then? I should mention that I have Windows 7 and on Pioneer's instruction page it doesn't include Windows 7 in systems that are compatible (it stopped at Vista), but I thought how in the world could they be giving Firmware Updates in 2012 without including Windows 7, so I tried it anyway thinking that must be a mistake.

You can burn these with any version of Windows, but it's touchy. You took the path of least resistance for sure!
post #30196 of 30708
re: Total Recall movie

Not sure if the original production is bad or not as I have the movie in MKV format and there are no dropouts. I watched it on my media player. The audio in DTS is incredible!
post #30197 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I was so frustrated last night that I did go ahead and order one from Pioneer. When I first purchased the 05 I ordered one from them (Version 1.65) and then I burnt my own copy for Version 1.72. I had zero problems doing it and my player recognized it as a Firmware Update immediately. I wonder if something has changed in the process since then? I should mention that I have Windows 7 and on Pioneer's instruction page it doesn't include Windows 7 in systems that are compatible (it stopped at Vista), but I thought how in the world could they be giving Firmware Updates in 2012 without including Windows 7, so I tried it anyway thinking that must be a mistake.

When you get it from Pioneer I'd be curious if it appears any different than your burned copy to CD-RW.
post #30198 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Toshiman View Post

When you get it from Pioneer I'd be curious if it appears any different than your burned copy to CD-RW.

What do you mean by "different?" I suspect it will still look like a normal CD-R or CD-RW, so I'm curious what you're thinking.
post #30199 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

What do you mean by "different?" I suspect it will still look like a normal CD-R or CD-RW, so I'm curious what you're thinking.

He probably means file structure... what you see on it when it's put in a computer drive.
post #30200 of 30708
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

He probably means file structure... what you see on it when it's put in a computer drive.

I suppose that is what he meant. Again, the "file structure" on my burnt copy was EXACTLY what Pioneer had on their website, telling us that these three files MUST be on there or the player wouldn't recognize it as a Firmware Update.
post #30201 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I suppose that is what he meant. Again, the "file structure" on my burnt copy was EXACTLY what Pioneer had on their website, telling us that these three files MUST be on there or the player wouldn't recognize it as a Firmware Update.

But again, is it an ISO image or is it a windows file structure. It needs to be burnt as an ISO image to work.
post #30202 of 30708
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

But again, is it an ISO image or is it a windows file structure. It needs to be burnt as an ISO image to work.

One more time.....I followed Pioneer's directions to a tee:

1) I downloaded the zip file
2) I put a CD-RW disc in my writing drive
3) My software for burning opened up and I selected "Burn files to disc" (It didn't specifiy if it was an ISO image or windows file that was to be burned)
4) I selected the Pioneer Firmware Update zip file in my "downloads" folder
5) I clicked burn file to CD-RW
6) The burning process started and finished 3 minutes later stating it had been burned successfully
7) I took the disc out of my writing drive and then I put it back in to check to see if the Firmware Update files were on it (all three were with the exact titles) and they were

The ONLY kink in this process, that I can discern, might be what I hinted at above in #3 within the paranthesis, and that is that my Windows software for buring the files might not have the ability to burn an ISO image and thus it didn't even mention it. But if that is the case, I would think that Pioneer would give consumers a heads up in their directions so they aren't burning files to CDs endlessly without success.
post #30203 of 30708
I forgot to add in my last post that when you click on the Pioneer Firmware Update file (step #4) another ISO file appears and you double click that to select it for burning. I did that. having said that, even though I selected the right file (ISO) to be burned, I really don't think the Windows software has the ability to burn an image file, only data.
Edited by djoberg - 12/24/12 at 8:22pm
post #30204 of 30708
I don't know... the pioneer update procedure that is laid out for the 51 seems to include the information that you need..... quote from the procedure ... "The CD creation writing software on your computer should automatically open. After the software opens, it should already be set to burn an image file. If not, please make this the setting in your software..... yadda yadda... "... ???? seems pretty specific. As I indicated, on a PC depending on the software used, this may not be obvious and you might have to read the appropriate user guide / help for the PC software package. On the MAC, it is pretty straight forward and almost doesn't allow for a problem.
post #30205 of 30708
Well, I FINALLY figured it out!! After doing a Google Search I soon discovered that Windows 7 (which I have with the computer I just bought two weeks ago) has its own new image burner called "Windows Disc Image Burner." But this burner doesn't automatically come up when you put a CD-RW into your DVD Drive. You have to right click the .iso image file in your folder and then in the menu click choose a program, where you will find the Windows Disc Image Burner (or any other burners you may have downloaded). Once you select that it's a piece of cake. Basically you select the right Drive and click Burn. It took all of three minutes and its dowloading that Firmware Update on my 05 as I type.

Ah, the Update just finished and it was successful!

You may wondering, "Why didn't you just wait for the Firmware Update you ordered from Pioneer?" Because I REALLY want to watch Ice Age: Continental Drift! And it's starting to play....RIGHT NOW!
post #30206 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Well, I FINALLY figured it out!! After doing a Google Search I soon discovered that Windows 7 (which I have with the computer I just bought two weeks ago) has its own new image burner called "Windows Disc Image Burner." But this burner doesn't automatically come up when you put a CD-RW into your DVD Drive. You have to right click the .iso image file in your folder and then in the menu click choose a program, where you will find the Windows Disc Image Burner (or any other burners you may have downloaded). Once you select that it's a piece of cake. Basically you select the right Drive and click Burn. It took all of three minutes and its dowloading that Firmware Update on my 05 as I type.
Ah, the Update just finished and it was successful!
You may wondering, "Why didn't you just wait for the Firmware Update you ordered from Pioneer?" Because I REALLY want to watch Ice Age: Continental Drift! And it's starting to play....RIGHT NOW!

Glad you got that figured out. Thanks for letting the rest of us know this little caveat! Windoze.... it just won't go away, will it? Of course I'm a Windoze user too... darn it...
post #30207 of 30708
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

What do you mean by "different?" I suspect it will still look like a normal CD-R or CD-RW, so I'm curious what you're thinking.

Over the years, this thread had Users with like problems. One of the things was that the difference was a file size difference of the three files burned to the disc. Either one or more files was different and that caused failure.

I read all the responses after this posting I see it was simply an ISO burn predicament. ImgBurn (I use this all the time) software is very popular on various forums and software sites and it provides a menu popup at startup on what you want to do. It includes if you want to make an image from disc as well. It makes burning files in different formats a piece of cake! A quick Google search will find this software for you to try as well.
post #30208 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Toshiman View Post

Over the years, this thread had Users with like problems. One of the things was that the difference was a file size difference of the three files burned to the disc. Either one or more files was different and that caused failure.
I read all the responses after this posting I see it was simply an ISO burn predicament. ImgBurn (I use this all the time) software is very popular on various forums and software sites and it provides a menu popup at startup on what you want to do. It includes if you want to make an image from disc as well. It makes burning files in different formats a piece of cake! A quick Google search will find this software for you to try as well.

I hear what you're saying about the file size difference, but like I mentioned in a previous post, the files and sizes were EXACTLY the same when I burned it as a "data disc." It failled though because it WASN'T burned as an IMAGE file for optical use.

Yes, I had done a Search and read quite a bit about ImgBurn (and other software such as cdburnerXP). I was just about to download one of those when I stumbled on a link dealing with Windows Disc Image Burner. Like I intimated, it worked like a charm so I really don't see the need to download any other softward now, especially since I rarely burn files. Thanks for your help though; I do appreciate it.
post #30209 of 30708
I've liked ImgBurn due to the flexibility and speed of the burns. And there are so many options that it makes it handy for different circumstances. I've been particularly pleased with how well Imgburn does with AVCHD discs for the Pio 51FD. Rarely, if ever, had made a mistake to the hundreds of discs made. And I typically burn to DVD-RW. I've burned a few Blu-Ray RW discs too. Now that I have a Media Player I never have to burn a disc (or transcode) so the Blu-Ray will only be used for commercial discs which it has excelled at. The only disc I ever ran into difficulty with was Avatar and that was fixed with a FW update. The Pio 51FD has been a great Blu-Ray player. Very few complaints.
post #30210 of 30708
Hey guys... HDMI levels are driving me crazy!! What does the 51 put out? Where is it set? How do you keep it set there? I can't find the settings anywhere, including the manual. I assume it puts out video level, but by the time the signal makes it through my Lumagen the projector needs to be set to "Enhanced" (PC) level. The Lumagen in/outs are all set to "Video" level.

But then... my Panasonic HD-DVD player displays blacks that are all gray, as one would expect if a "Video" level device plays into a projector set to "Enhanced". But if I switched the projector to "Video" the gray becomes black but there's black crush like there's a miss-match the other way. This signal path, too, goes through the Lumagen, all set to "Video" levels.

So, what I'm thinking is EDID is overriding the settings I want set in concrete. This is very frustrating! How do I tell what EDID is doing?

I guess the thing to do is take the Lumagen out of the chain and make sure the players and projector are on the same level.

But I would really like to know how to, for sure, positively, absolutely, set the Pioneer 51 to some HDMI level and know it will stay there! Help!
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