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post #30631 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Pioneer US Firmware 1.74 On the US Site Now eek.gif

Maybe they been reading this thread at last rolleyes.gif

...how do I order the firmware disc from pioneerelectronics.com...I've done it before but cannot remember how (and what part number, if any, do I use)...
...thanks, in advance
post #30632 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Ed Weinman View Post

...how do I order the firmware disc from pioneerelectronics.com...I've done it before but cannot remember how (and what part number, if any, do I use)...
...thanks, in advance

just call them...
post #30633 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Ed Weinman View Post


...how do I order the firmware disc from pioneerelectronics.com...I've done it before but cannot remember how (and what part number, if any, do I use)...
...thanks, in advance

 

 

Here ya go Ed:

 

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/BDfirmware/

 

I looked and the order form is still showing v1.73.  But the phone number is there so you could call if you don't want to wait for the online order form to update to v1.74.

 

The phone number is 1.800.228.7221
 

post #30634 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Pioneer US Firmware 1.74 On the US Site Now eek.gif

Maybe they been reading this thread at last rolleyes.gif

After such a long delay after the EU release I was thinking we wouldn't see it. I see on the 23/320 thread that there's an update for them as well. smile.gif
post #30635 of 30708
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post


Here ya go Ed:

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/BDfirmware/

I looked and the order form is still showing v1.73.  But the phone number is there so you could call if you don't want to wait for the online order form to update to v1.74.

The phone number is 1.800.228.7221

 
b curry, thank you.
post #30636 of 30708
Just overwrote the 1.74 European installation on my 05FD with the 1.74 bits downloaded from the USA ftp. Everything is working great!

Jason
post #30637 of 30708
Hi everyone!

It's been a while since I've been on this thread. Currently, my BDP-51FD is Version: 1.72. And, according to the date on that update disc, (7/22/11;) it's been over two years since I've updated the firmware.

The good news; I've never had a problem playing back any DVDs or Blu-ray discs. Then again, I don't use my player all that often. And when I do buy a new Blu-ray disc, it's normally a much older title that's been remastered for higher quality rather than the latest blockbuster (for example, the latest Halloween 35th anniversary Blu-ray edition.) Even so, I've decided to come here to see if there's been any updates to the 1.72 firmware and see version 1.74 was very recently released. I'll be ordering that from Pioneer as soon as I get a chance.

Another bit of good news; I've never had any issues with my BDP-51FD. I use it once or twice every few months or so and I'm sure that's why the unit still behaves like new. Originally, I bought it new from Best Buy shortly after they arrived (and paid almost full price.)

My only disappointment with the player has been it's start up times and my concern with it's DVD upscaling capabilities (good,) but not as good as it can be.

A quick note about DVDs. Obviously, DVDs continued to a major player in video formats. I figured one day Blu-ray would be the De Facto standard and completely replace DVDs like DVDs replaced VHS. That's not the case and in fact, there's still some titles being released today that's only on DVD and not Blu-ray! So it's important to me to get a Blu-ray player that has top notch DVD upscaling playback.



So here are two issues I'm thinking about improving;


Start up times: I know just about any newer Blu-ray player has much better start up times.

DVD upscaling playback: I know the BDP-51FD was never as good as what was considered to be the best up scaling DVD player at the time, the Toshiba A35 or the Toshiba XA2 (both HD-DVD players.)

Since the BDP-51FD is over five years old, I would think there's currently a Blu-ray player that has better upscaling than either one of those two HD-DVD players.


In both cases, (start up times and DVD upscaling,) I've been thinking about either the Oppo BDP-93EU or the BDP-95EU.

I'm curious as to what anyone would say about the DVD upscaling capabilities with either Oppos, and if it's DVD upscaling is better than what was once considered the best (the Toshiba A35 and/or the Toshiba XA2.)

And as far as the image quality of Blu-ray playback, can it be possible the BDP-93EU the BDP-95EU or even the BDP-103 be better than the BDP-51FD?
Edited by Thebarnman - 10/19/13 at 3:38pm
post #30638 of 30708
If you have a DVD-RW drive in your PC and a blank CD-R, you can download the 1.74 firmware from Pioneer's website.

That said, the '51FD is remarkably bulletproof for a player of its age--if, yes, slow as molasses. DVD upscaling...it's serviceable, IMO, but I'm not sure I'd give it a higher mark than that. Choosing a replacement player is probably a case for that thread, but it's safe to say that just about any midrange or higher player you buy now will dust it in overall speed with equivalent or slightly better video quality (and that doesn't necessarily mean Oppo--see also Panasonic and Sony's flagship players).
post #30639 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Hi everyone!

It's been a while since I've been on this thread. Currently, my BDP-51FD is Version: 1.72. And, according to the date on that update disc, (7/22/11;) it's been over two years since I've updated the firmware.

The good news; I've never had a problem playing back any DVDs or Blu-ray discs. Then again, I don't use my player all that often. And when I do buy a new Blu-ray disc, it's normally a much older title that's been remastered for higher quality rather than the latest blockbuster (for example, the latest Halloween 35th anniversary Blu-ray edition.) Even so, I've decided to come here to see if there's been any updates to the 1.72 firmware and see version 1.74 was very recently released. I'll be ordering that from Pioneer as soon as I get a chance.

Another bit of good news; I've never had any issues with my BDP-51FD. I use it once or twice every few months or so and I'm sure that's why the unit still behaves like new. Originally, I bought it new from Best Buy shortly after they arrived (and paid almost full price.)

My only disappointment with the player has been it's start up times and my concern with it's DVD upscaling capabilities (good,) but not as good as it can be.

A quick note about DVDs. Obviously, DVDs continued to a major player in video formats. I figured one day Blu-ray would be the De Facto standard and completely replace DVDs like DVDs replaced VHS. That's not the case and in fact, there's still some titles being released today that's only on DVD and not Blu-ray! So it's important to me to get a Blu-ray player that has top notch DVD upscaling playback.



So here are two issues I'm thinking about improving;


Start up times: I know just about any newer Blu-ray player has much better start up times.

DVD upscaling playback: I know the BDP-51FD was never as good as what was considered to be the best up scaling DVD player at the time, the Toshiba A35 or the Toshiba XA2 (both HD-DVD players.)

Since the BDP-51FD is over five years old, I would think there's currently a Blu-ray player that has better upscaling than either one of those two HD-DVD players.


In both cases, (start up times and DVD upscaling,) I've been thinking about either the Oppo BDP-93EU or the BDP-95EU.

I'm curious as to what anyone would say about the DVD upscaling capabilities with either Oppos, and if it's DVD upscaling is better than what was once considered the best (the Toshiba A35 and/or the Toshiba XA2.)

And as far as the image quality of Blu-ray playback, can it be possible the BDP-93EU the BDP-95EU or even the BDP-103 be better than the BDP-51FD?

Tend to go along with Bill C, although in my experience only few modern players (excluding speed) can match the 51 and 05 in PQ and AQ, reliability of the drive is however questionable to say the least. With DVD upscaling a lot depends on the original quality of the DVD and the settings on the player and TV which should ideally be done with a Calibration disc (or professionally).

A good example of not to good DVD quality is Top Gun and the bluray transfer is no better whereas IMHO Diehard 4.0 for example is much better or the DVD version of Avatar.

For what it is worth (and of course I am now biassed) I have found the Oppo 93 and 95 excellent at upscaling and it can be difficult to differentiate a good quality DVD from some bluray bearing in mind the quality of the video laid down on bluray can vary quite a bit. However in the sound side of things there is really no comparision.

You might find a 93 or 95 difficult to get hold of, I had a 103 for a short while but had problems with compatibility with the TV for some strange reason and Oppo UK were less than helpful on this issue mad.gif it almost seemed if they ignored it, it might go away. That said it is a really decent player with a possibly slightly more detailed sound than the 93 but nowhere near as good as the 95 analogue. Some 'say' who have both the 95 and 105, the analogue on the 95 is better than the 105 eek.gif something to do with the way Oppo has used the DAC's in the 105 for the headphone amp. But after the Pio 05, for me the Oppos were the only way to go with the 93 for analogue sound being being as good as if not a tad better than the 05 and the 95 clearly superior to both. A few have complained about the fan on the 95 being noisy, personally I can't hear mine even up close and can just about hear it with a listening tube poked right up against the fan

I cannot comment on the 105 not having seen one let alone heard it but it does not have a fan


added comments
Edited by Rick R - 10/28/13 at 5:17am
post #30640 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Hi everyone!


In both cases, (start up times and DVD upscaling,) I've been thinking about either the Oppo BDP-93EU or the BDP-95EU.

I'm curious as to what anyone would say about the DVD upscaling capabilities with either Oppos, and if it's DVD upscaling is better than what was once considered the best (the Toshiba A35 and/or the Toshiba XA2.)

And as far as the image quality of Blu-ray playback, can it be possible the BDP-93EU the BDP-95EU or even the BDP-103 be better than the BDP-51FD?

You mention the Oppo BDP-93EU or the BDP-95EU. But if my guess is right you are in Arizona and the models you have quoted are the European versions which are not regions A or 1 for the US plus you would lose a lot of internet functions you would surely be looking for Oppo BDP-93 or the BDP-95.

Regarding image quality on Bluray playback the Oppos are acknowledged to be basically bit perfect to the specifications, I posted a comparison a while back between the Pioneer 05 and the Oppo 93 and found provided professional was selected on the 05 and the Oppo 93 left at default they were very close with the Oppo coming out as slightly sharper, with marginally less artifacts and slightly more vibrant colors and the 05 a touch softer but very pleasing picture. The Spears and Munsil test disc defined the differences and the subjective part was done with good quality BD such as Avatar. Some earlier Sony and other models were criticised for being way off spec in reviews done by Home Theatre Secrets, reviewers that IMHO are honest and thorough and have the facilities to properly test players.
post #30641 of 30708

Pioneer BDP 51FD + HK AVR 7200 - getting the "most" audio out of my components!?!?

I want to be sure I'm getting the best audio out of my setup possible - I've been considering an Oppo 103D "upgrade" over my current Pioneer BDP 51FD but am not convinced this is necessary. I realize the Oppo probably has better overall video (and is faster to load - duh) but video is just fine on my Pioneer. It's the audio of my overall system I'm struggling with - if I'm in the wrong thread, scream at me and I'll move elsewhere.

I have a 7.2 speaker setup (the 2 subs are accommodated via a splitter thru my single sub out). I'm running HDMI to my Panny AE-3000U projector for the video with two audio options to my HK AVR-7200 (no HDMI inputs/outs) as follows:
  1. digital coax
  2. analog outs of the DVD player directly into my 6/8 CH analog inputs on the AVR

With the digital coax, the Dolby option via the AVR only plays 5 speakers for a 5.1 audio encoding. I don't ever get audio out to the rears. I do get audio to the rears via Logic 7 or DTS Neo 6 processing but don't feel like I'm getting "surround sound" in that the sound effects don't seem to "move" from front-mid-rears like I hear them do, for example, during a THX demo disk (e.g. "the audience is listening" type of thing). Further, my older HK doesn't do lossless processing and isn't able (I believe) to recognize Dolby True HD or DTS-HD Master Audio.

I'm assuming that the onboard Wolfson DACs inside the Pioneer are decoding for surround sound processing during movie playback. However, when running the THX optimizer on a Blu Ray disc (Star Wars), the distinction of the mids L/R vs. rears L/R speakers are all jumbled together. I get a signal in all of them as the audio portion of the THX optimizer goes around and hits each speaker individually which makes me believe that surround sound processing, handled exclusively thru the analog side of the Pioneer fed to the 6/8 analog CH of my AVR, isn't truly working against these discrete channels.

I specifically picked up the Pioneer ~1 year ago for the Wolfson DACs as I do use our basement theater for audio. David Matthews live via this setup is incredible - many more - just highlighting the fact that the audio is VERY important to me.

Last, when going analog, I did notice slight out-of-synch between lips and sound - I can probably figure that one out.

So......in short, I want to know if I'm missing something here. I'd love to not have to go buy more components to get the full surround sound effects I'm after during movie playback - if what I have and how its configured is correct, wanting to get some confirmation. If what I've got simply won't cut the mustard, what's the necessary features in different component(s) to consider doing differently?

thx al!
post #30642 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

Tend to go along with Bill C, although in my experience only few modern players (excluding speed) can match the 51 and 05 in PQ and AQ, reliability of the drive is however questionable to say the least. With DVD upscaling a lot depends on the original quality of the DVD and the settings on the player and TV which should ideally be done with a Calibration disc (or professionally).

A good example of not to good DVD quality is Top Gun and the bluray transfer is no better whereas IMHO Diehard 4.0 for example is much better or the DVD version of Avatar.

For what it is worth (and of course I am now biassed) I have found the Oppo 93 and 95 excellent at upscaling and it can be difficult to differentiate a good quality DVD from some bluray bearing in mind the quality of the video laid down on bluray can vary quite a bit. However in the sound side of things there is really no comparision.

You might find a 93 or 95 difficult to get hold of, I had a 103 for a short while but had problems with compatibility with the TV for some strange reason and Oppo UK were less than helpful on this issue mad.gif it almost seemed if they ignored it, it might go away. That said it is a really decent player with a possibly slightly more detailed sound than the 93 but nowhere near as good as the 95 analogue. Some 'say' who have both the 95 and 105, the analogue on the 95 is better than the 105 eek.gif something to do with the way Oppo has used the DAC's in the 105 for the headphone amp. But after the Pio 05, for me the Oppos were the only way to go with the 93 for analogue sound being being as good as if not a tad better than the 05 and the 95 clearly superior to both. A few have complained about the fan on the 95 being noisy, personally I can't hear mine even up close and can just about hear it with a listening tube poked right up against the fan

I cannot comment on the 105 not having seen one let alone heard it but it does not have a fan


added comments

Rick and Bill, thank you very much for your comments. Rick, you are correct that I'm in Arizona and did not know the models I talked about were for the European market.

In any case, I've now started looking at the Oppo BDP-103. I may have not mentioned I'm also looking for a player that will also play DVD-Audio and SACD.

I think the most interesting comment was about how the Oppos are "acknowledged to be basically bit perfect to the specifications" with the Oppo 93 coming out slightly sharper (less artifacts and slightly more vibrant colors) with the 05 coming out a touch softer but very pleasing picture.

I was wondering if that is also true with the Oppo 103? (basically bit perfect to the specifications?)




I guess there's something to be said about a smoother picture. I think as long as an image has all the detail though smoother, it may be more correct true to life reproduction of the look of film. So I wonder if the slightly sharper images of the Oppo is a better signal reaching the display? Or if there's some processing going on to give the Oppo a slightly sharper image?
post #30643 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Rick and Bill, thank you very much for your comments. Rick, you are correct that I'm in Arizona and did not know the models I talked about were for the European market.

In any case, I've now started looking at the Oppo BDP-103. I may have not mentioned I'm also looking for a player that will also play DVD-Audio and SACD.

I think the most interesting comment was about how the Oppos are "acknowledged to be basically bit perfect to the specifications" with the Oppo 93 coming out slightly sharper (less artifacts and slightly more vibrant colors) with the 05 coming out a touch softer but very pleasing picture.

I was wondering if that is also true with the Oppo 103? (basically bit perfect to the specifications?)




I guess there's something to be said about a smoother picture. I think as long as an image has all the detail though smoother, it may be more correct true to life reproduction of the look of film. So I wonder if the slightly sharper images of the Oppo is a better signal reaching the display? Or if there's some processing going on to give the Oppo a slightly sharper image?

I think that the 103 personally is a good choice I can't think of a better alternative to the 05 in a comparible price point. You are basically right on all counts, the 103 inherits all the good qualities of the 93 and of course yes plays SACD (and FLAC, MP3 and a list too long to mention) you will need to check but I think it still does DVDA (just checked according to the site specs it still does DVDA) there is one restriction recently been placed on the 103 (and 5) which is not yet on the 93 which I can't remember but the 103 thread is a good place to look for that (as good as this one) I can confirm I did like the sound of the 103.

Edit :- The one restriction I could not remember applied to the 103/105 is as follows
"The new decoder firmware supplied by the Oppo chip vendor tightens the validation check for AVCHD file format. If the files in the BDMV folder do not fully comply with the AVCHD specification, the folder will not play. (For example, if the files are from a disc backup instead of an original AVCHD recording, the player will reject it.)"

Regards video I would not say they are over sharp just cleaner than the 05, and yes I believe there is a very minor amount of QDEO processing carried out on HDMI 1 with the player set to default to improve picture quality however if you prefer HDMI 2 does not have this and the video is as is off the disc. You have course also got HDMI inputs and twin processors not available on the 05 or the 93. One thing I noted though and not often mentioned HDMI 1 on the 103 will not process DSD for SACD said by Oppo to be a hardware limitation DSD will only be output by HDMI 2 this was a problem for me with the incompatibility problem I had with the Tosh TV (was OK on my Samsung) bear in mind the Tosh TV is now getting a little long in the tooth but still HDMI 1.3 and so good I am not yet prepared to consign it to the bin. You will of course inherit Cinavia but mostly only a problem with Sony discs and at that only if you are into backing up to hard drives. One other major advantage is the improved streaming from the likes of Netflix and Vudu (which we don't get on the European models smile.gif )

Hope all the above helps, if you can get to demo one I would but even if not taking all the above into account I don't think you will be disappointed. One other point to note the 93 and 95 only had 1 year warranty in the US (2 in Europe) the 103 and 105 now have 2 years in the US

Long live the 51 and 05 despite all its quirks I still miss its good looks and occasional sheer pigheadedness but its red laser died and it has gone to another good home where that is not so important.
Edited by Rick R - 11/11/13 at 10:25am
post #30644 of 30708
Hi all - I have been using the BDP-05FD for several years and love it (except the slow loading time). I have no reason to replace it but I need another Blu-ray player for another room.
Looking for a quality player that delivers great picture quality as I don't need a player that also does DVD-Audio and SACD. Are there any players out there that would fit my needs?
post #30645 of 30708
You should ask in the Help Me Choose a Player Thread.

S~
post #30646 of 30708
Will do.
post #30647 of 30708
Since updating to the new firmware 1.74 I have issues playing blu-ray and DVD discs. They would play but after half and hour or so, it stops reading. This has happened on all discs. Mine was a region free player for DVDs.

Maybe the lens have become dirty? If so how do I clean it. Also can I revert back to the previous firmware?

Thanks
post #30648 of 30708
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Originally Posted by danieljoseph View Post

Since updating to the new firmware 1.74 I have issues playing blu-ray and DVD discs. They would play but after half and hour or so, it stops reading. This has happened on all discs. Mine was a region free player for DVDs.

Maybe the lens have become dirty? If so how do I clean it. Also can I revert back to the previous firmware? You might try reloading the current version and/or doing a reset.

Thanks

Unfortunately you can't go back on the Pioneer players.
post #30649 of 30708
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Originally Posted by danieljoseph View Post

Since updating to the new firmware 1.74 I have issues playing blu-ray and DVD discs. They would play but after half and hour or so, it stops reading. This has happened on all discs. Mine was a region free player for DVDs.

Maybe the lens have become dirty? If so how do I clean it. Also can I revert back to the previous firmware?

Thanks

As has been said unfortunately you can't revert the firmware but as far as I know there are no problems with this version.

Cleaning the lens, quite easy if you are careful I have posted the procedure several times before but if you check my post here and read it through the first link will take you to a procedure for the lens cleaning. The other links are useful information.

Before you start remember to 'Open the tray and take the bezel off, the drive will not come out with it in place' the bezel will pop off with a little upward pressure and a wriggle. There are also some tywraps to be removed and two connectors. You may find it easier to remove the screws that hold the brackets to the base first and take the brackets off the drive when you have it out of the player. In my experience all the screws were very tight including the case screws, so use a decent screwdriver.

link to post http://www.avsforum.com/t/1054927/official-pioneer-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-owners-thread-vs-1-32-dts-hd-ma/30570#post_23709913
post #30650 of 30708
Thanks for the replies. Will try cleaning the lens
post #30651 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

I think that the 103 personally is a good choice I can't think of a better alternative to the 05 in a comparible price point. You are basically right on all counts, the 103 inherits all the good qualities of the 93 and of course yes plays SACD (and FLAC, MP3 and a list too long to mention) you will need to check but I think it still does DVDA (just checked according to the site specs it still does DVDA) there is one restriction recently been placed on the 103 (and 5) which is not yet on the 93 which I can't remember but the 103 thread is a good place to look for that (as good as this one) I can confirm I did like the sound of the 103.

Edit :- The one restriction I could not remember applied to the 103/105 is as follows
"The new decoder firmware supplied by the Oppo chip vendor tightens the validation check for AVCHD file format. If the files in the BDMV folder do not fully comply with the AVCHD specification, the folder will not play. (For example, if the files are from a disc backup instead of an original AVCHD recording, the player will reject it.)"

Regards video I would not say they are over sharp just cleaner than the 05, and yes I believe there is a very minor amount of QDEO processing carried out on HDMI 1 with the player set to default to improve picture quality however if you prefer HDMI 2 does not have this and the video is as is off the disc. You have course also got HDMI inputs and twin processors not available on the 05 or the 93. One thing I noted though and not often mentioned HDMI 1 on the 103 will not process DSD for SACD said by Oppo to be a hardware limitation DSD will only be output by HDMI 2 this was a problem for me with the incompatibility problem I had with the Tosh TV (was OK on my Samsung) bear in mind the Tosh TV is now getting a little long in the tooth but still HDMI 1.3 and so good I am not yet prepared to consign it to the bin. You will of course inherit Cinavia but mostly only a problem with Sony discs and at that only if you are into backing up to hard drives. One other major advantage is the improved streaming from the likes of Netflix and Vudu (which we don't get on the European models smile.gif )

Hope all the above helps, if you can get to demo one I would but even if not taking all the above into account I don't think you will be disappointed. One other point to note the 93 and 95 only had 1 year warranty in the US (2 in Europe) the 103 and 105 now have 2 years in the US

Long live the 51 and 05 despite all its quirks I still miss its good looks and occasional sheer pigheadedness but its red laser died and it has gone to another good home where that is not so important.


Thanks!

Well it seems the solution for me is to use output HDMI 2. That way it will pass through DSD and also avoids the QDEO processing.

I just remembered, the feature I will miss (and I forget the name of it) is the locking (timing) feature of the CD digital signal between my current Pioneer Blu-ray player and the Pioneer receiver. It allows for a much more detailed high end.
post #30652 of 30708
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Thanks!

Well it seems the solution for me is to use output HDMI 2. That way it will pass through DSD and also avoids the QDEO processing.

I just remembered, the feature I will miss (and I forget the name of it) is the locking (timing) feature of the CD digital signal between my current Pioneer Blu-ray player and the Pioneer receiver. It allows for a much more detailed high end.

I would not write off HDMI 1 without trying it, I think you might be pleasantly surprised. As for audio high end couple of years back I went to a Pioneer seminar where all the top European engineers and others were there and we tried the with and without PQLS on a top end Pio AVR, I was not surprised to find on blind listening no one could tell the difference including the Pio reps and engineers. The 103 is very detailed and again I don't think you will be disappointed. From your comments though I think you should try and get a demo. I will be very interested to know how you get on, bear in mind I personally and others have found (some others claim it to be hype) that over approximately the first month of use the Oppos seem to improve particularly on the audio side. That is why I am suggesting, if you can, to get a demo with a machine that has already had some use then you will know what to expect for the future if you go that way.

I think you should have a read of this, one of the few reviewing bodies I have learned to trust
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-ray-players/blu-ray-players-reviews/oppo-bdp-103-blu-ray-player/all-pages.html
Edited by Rick R - 11/21/13 at 8:43am
post #30653 of 30708
Listening to Derek and the Dominoes audio blu-ray through the analogs of the 51 and it is amazing. Definitely worth the $30 as the sound is comparable to the record (which I also own) minus the hiss and pop
post #30654 of 30708
Question: When my 05 hooked up via HDMI to my receiver, which device is actually doing the decoding?
post #30655 of 30708
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Originally Posted by bricot View Post

Question: When my 05 hooked up via HDMI to my receiver, which device is actually doing the decoding?
Depends on how you have the player set up. If you are set to bitstream, the receiver is doing the decoding. If you have the player set to PCM, the player is doing the decoding.

S~
post #30656 of 30708
Looks like it says ACC>PCM - doesn't look like it can be changed (greyed out). Only option with HDMI? Had an issue with the audio on Monsters University - did the update to 1.74, which didn't fix. Redbox rental. Took the disk to my Panasonic player and it played fine. Got me thinking of replacing it if I am going to start having issues, unknown how long Pioneer will support this player. Was thinking that I might consider the Xbox One but if I am stuck with having the player doing the decoding then it sounds like I may be better off with something like the Oppo. Even if I can change to have the reciever decode, not sure how good the DAC's are in the Pioneer Elite VSX-92THX are...
post #30657 of 30708
DACs are excellent in the Pioneer. Using HDMI, the Digital to Analog conversion will always be done in the receiver. If you are using analog outs, then the digital to analog conversion will be done in the player. There are several audio settings in the 05 (p. 40-41 in the owner's manual). They should be set to DD2, DTS2, and AAC for bitstreaming, with HDMI audio to Auto. In theory, it should not make a difference whether the player or AVR are doing the decoding.

S~
post #30658 of 30708
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Looks like it says ACC>PCM - doesn't look like it can be changed (greyed out). Only option with HDMI? Had an issue with the audio on Monsters University - did the update to 1.74, which didn't fix. Redbox rental. Took the disk to my Panasonic player and it played fine. Got me thinking of replacing it if I am going to start having issues, unknown how long Pioneer will support this player. Was thinking that I might consider the Xbox One but if I am stuck with having the player doing the decoding then it sounds like I may be better off with something like the Oppo. Even if I can change to have the reciever decode, not sure how good the DAC's are in the Pioneer Elite VSX-92THX are...

Confirm everything teachsac says, the DACS in the Pio AVR model you have are excellent IMHO as good as any in the Pio 51/05 or the Oppo 93/103 series only surpassed by the Sabres in the 95.

PS I believe I have seen reports of problems with the Monsters University discs on other players some where in the forums
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Just realized I said 05, should have said 51. So if I am going to use HDMI is there any benefit to having a dedicated player like the 51 or oppo? Or would using an Xbox One through the Pio AVR produce the same results. Thanks
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Just realized I said 05, should have said 51. So if I am going to use HDMI is there any benefit to having a dedicated player like the 51 or oppo? Or would using an Xbox One through the Pio AVR produce the same results. Thanks
I'm waiting on that myself. There are a few features I need before it could be my dedicated system for the family room (i.e. 3D support). Also realize that the Xbox does not bitstream audio. It decodes internally and outputs 5.1/7.1 LPCM.

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