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post #31 of 3505
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Yes, it uses part of the hard drive for the buffer. However, only 6hrs of recording is the limit. IF you record in HQ, the highest playback quality, the HDD starts out with 30 hrs, this is for stored titles to the HDD.

HQ - 30hrs
SP - 60hrs
SPP - 75hrs
LP - 90hrs
EP - 120hrs
SLP - 180hrs

I have the same older phillips unit that you do. I have mixed feelings about the automatic buffer. On one hand it is nice to have it available without having to think about it. On the otherhand, I'm always getting on the kids to turn it off when they are not using it because they are wearing out the hard drive.

I do miss the automatic program guide on the older unit. I still use the older unit to search out programming I may want to watch. I'm OTA only and a little sad to see the older unit become minimally functional starting in FEB.
post #32 of 3505
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Originally Posted by dangerdoc1 View Post

I have the same older phillips unit that you do. I have mixed feelings about the automatic buffer. On one hand it is nice to have it available without having to think about it. On the otherhand, I'm always getting on the kids to turn it off when they are not using it because they are wearing out the hard drive.

I do miss the automatic program guide on the older unit. I still use the older unit to search out programming I may want to watch. I'm OTA only and a little sad to see the older unit become minimally functional starting in FEB.

Buy one of the Digital to Analog STB's, let it decode your OTA and run that into your Recorder. Should work just fine for you.
post #33 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Arkyman View Post

Sony SXRD 60a2020 1080p, running HDMI from the HDD to the tv. Run the directv box into the HDD via S-vid, it upconverts to the tv. Does an excellent job.

Have you ever used the ATSC/QAM tuners in the 3576H and the H2160 yet?
post #34 of 3505
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I do miss the automatic program guide on the older unit. I still use the older unit to search out programming I may want to watch. I'm OTA only and a little sad to see the older unit become minimally functional starting in FEB.

What you'd want then is the TR-40cra CECB ATSC tuner. It's free (minus tax) with a $40.00 government coupon.

Or, if you want better picture quality, and really an all-around better box, and your recorder has an IR blaster, you could always go with the CM-7000. But it'll cost you quite a bit more than free w/tax (even minus the coupon).

Check out the CECB sub-forum here for more information.
post #35 of 3505
a quick easy question since I am new to DVD/HDD drive recording. I'm trying to learn as fast as possible. I want to get my wife away from the ol' vcr days. She likes to record her 'soaps' and watch in the evening... and a few shows here and there.

Can you just record right to the HDD, after watching, delete, and set up the timer to record the next time.... easily? Sometimes she is technically challenged, and I just want to get rid the old vcr and tapes. I don't want to her worry about recording to disc and then keeping up with them.
post #36 of 3505
So by turning off the 2160 it will stop the hdd from buffering? If the unit is off will it still time record?
post #37 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Hank_P View Post

Can you just record right to the HDD, after watching, delete, and set up the timer to record the next time.... easily? Sometimes she is technically challenged, and I just want to get rid the old vcr and tapes. I don't want to her worry about recording to disc and then keeping up with them.

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Originally Posted by MJinNC View Post

So by turning off the 2160 it will stop the hdd from buffering? If the unit is off will it still time record?

Timer recording is easy to set up for one time, daily M-F or other intervals, so you just set a timer program once for M-F shows or other intervals like Every Tuesday, etc. The unit can be on or off and it will record at the scheduled time, as described in this help file under "Auto-Recording with a Timer Program."

We record two daily Soaps, and their Title is automatically added to the title list with an index pic with full motion video and audio. Click on that title to watch later, then delete it from the title list, as described in this help file. One person timer recorded 35 shows with six timer programs while he was on a 3-1/2 week trip.
post #38 of 3505
thank you very much for the quick reply, and the links, extremely helpful!!

I know she will love this!!
post #39 of 3505
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My wife loves our units... or should I say "hers" cuz her "Soap Unit" has somehow become one I can't mess around with... but I outfoxed her by buying 2 more Philips 3575s and I can play all I want with those!

My wife was most impressed with the ability to Chase Play and to play something on the HDD or a DVD while it's recording something else... she still doesn't understand how that works, but she really likes it anyway.
post #40 of 3505
I understand that brother. I have purchased a many equipment, to later find out it's "hers" because she uses it more? Not sure how I 'lost' ownership of it. I do feel like this is something she will fully enjoy. I have mentioned this to her a few weeks ago, and it peaked her interest quite a bit. She started asking me all kinds of questions, of which I didn't know.. but would find out.

The QAM tuner in this will be even better, as we have Comcast cable, and I have another LCD tv hooked up where we get a lot of the 'higher' digital cable channels... BONUS.

The website says this is online only??? They don't have these in the store??? or in the store "yet"??
post #41 of 3505
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You apparently found the Walmart website (link here), but don't appear anywhere else yet... they're pretty new.

The Philips 3576 is virtually identical except for the remote, 6-hour buffer recording, digital CC recording, and a Seagate HDD instead of the Hitachi in the H2160. Click #1 in my signature for links to sellers of that unit.

On the QAM channels and Comcast, these units only have QAM channels 1-135 and it depends on the service provider which, if any, of their "higher-numbered" channels will be mirrored at lower channel numbers "in the clear" (not scrambled). If you have a digital-tunered TV, these units will tune the same channels as the TV w/o the Comcast box... hook TV directly to the incoming cable and scan for channels to see which ones these units will also be able to tune, i.e., same as TV w/o the box.
post #42 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Arkyman View Post

Buy one of the Digital to Analog STB's, let it decode your OTA and run that into your Recorder. Should work just fine for you.

Its the program guide I'm going to miss, that dies with the last NTSC broadcast for me.
post #43 of 3505
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Its the program guide I'm going to miss, that dies with the last NTSC broadcast for me.

Then go with the DTVpal. Program guide included, built in timer. Around $60 (before coupon).
Actually, as I understand it, the DTVpal is identical to the TR-40cra. I couldn't get a TR-40cra however, since it is sold by Dish Network and we have their satellite service.
post #44 of 3505
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I just got my new 2160 today.

Congratulations on the purchase. And thank you for the information on your experiences with it.

If you get a chance could you check on the playback of a recorded program closed captioning through HDMI and if possible also through Component connections in progressive mode.

Like to know if the TV can decode the CC itself with its own decoder when playing back a program (by turning on the CC option in the TV menus/remote or if the 2160 has it own decoder for CC which you have to turn on in the 2160 menus and it then transmits or overlays the CC onto the program sending them this way to the TV through HDMI/component in progressive mode connections. Or if it cannot do either, just records the CC but cannot send them through the progressive connections!

If possible try it with a program recorded on a digital channel and one from a analog channel to see if there is any difference there.

This would help a lot of people that rely on CC to know how the 2160 works or don't work in this regards since so far there has not been a lot of equipment out there that can record the CC and send it or display it through HDMI/Progressive connections.

Thanks
post #45 of 3505
There are a good amount of us out here that really want to know about the PQ and performance of the ATSC/QAM tuner, because that's where the main issues were with the last Maggie and the two Philips models, and that's how we'd be using these units.

Everything else pretty much performed OK, so I doubt if they'll be any problems there. So to anyone not planning on using the tuner, go ahead and buy it, because it should be fine.

But pretty much any HDD/DVD recorder available right now can be used that way, including the international models.

We're especially interested in knowing if they've improved what we consider the somewhat dark, noisy/blurry PQ from the digital tuner in general, and the problem with the dropping of QAM channels (and sometimes not being able to pick any or all of them up in the first place, even where other QAM tuners do).
post #46 of 3505
I have used the ATSC/Qam tuners in both the 2160 and 3576 They are identical tuners. Standard def only. However, thru the HDMI it will upscale an HD broadcast and fit it to Wide Screen without any stretching. I use mine for OTA only. I do not have access to digital cable. In my area, I get 4.1, 7.1, 11.1 & .2, 16.1, 21.3 & .4 , 38.1 &.2 and finally 42.1, .2 & .3. The tuner found and locked all of them. 42.1 and its subs is a very weak channel. The tuner has to be pretty strong, otherwise I'd never sniff 42.1 and possibly 38.1 which is erratic in my area. I'm sure the Qam would work well with a good digital cable connection. Any more questions or more detailed questions, pleas ask away. These units are new to me also, but I will do my best to scout out some things on them for you guys, may take me a little time to do it but I will
post #47 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Falco63 View Post

Congratulations on the purchase. And thank you for the information on your experiences with it.

If you get a chance could you check on the playback of a recorded program closed captioning through HDMI and if possible also through Component connections in progressive mode.

Like to know if the TV can decode the CC itself with its own decoder when playing back a program (by turning on the CC option in the TV menus/remote or if the 2160 has it own decoder for CC which you have to turn on in the 2160 menus and it then transmits or overlays the CC onto the program sending them this way to the TV through HDMI/component in progressive mode connections. Or if it cannot do either, just records the CC but cannot send them through the progressive connections!

If possible try it with a program recorded on a digital channel and one from a analog channel to see if there is any difference there.

This would help a lot of people that rely on CC to know how the 2160 works or don't work in this regards since so far there has not been a lot of equipment out there that can record the CC and send it or display it through HDMI/Progressive connections.

Thanks

Ok, I'll try to do this, it may take me some time, I never use CC myself so using it and setting it will all be new to me.
post #48 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Arkyman View Post

I have used the ATSC/Qam tuners in both the 2160 and 3576.

Several people have or want multiple units, so you've got the perfect setup to see if the 3576 and 2160 remotes are unit-specific. That is, people don't want one remote to operate both units in close proximity. You might have already checked this out?
post #49 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

There are a good amount of us out here that really want to know about the PQ and performance of the ATSC/QAM tuner, because that's where the main issues were with the last Maggie and the two Philips models, and that's how we'd be using these units.

Everything else pretty much performed OK, so I doubt if they'll be any problems there. So to anyone not planning on using the tuner, go ahead and buy it, because it should be fine.

But pretty much any HDD/DVD recorder available right now can be used that way, including the international models.

We're especially interested in knowing if they've improved what we consider the somewhat dark, noisy/blurry PQ from the digital tuner in general, and the problem with the dropping of QAM channels (and sometimes not being able to pick any or all of them up in the first place, even where other QAM tuners do).

I can answer part of this. On both the 2160 and the 3576, I personally thought the ATSC picture was too dark. I'm running mine HDMI to the TV. In HDMI, you can set the RGB range to "Normal" or "Enhanced". I use Enhanced. It actually makes the OTA channels via the ATSC look even darker, but on E1 where I have my directv hooked, "Enhanced" actually gives a lot better black levels in the picture of HD programs being fed to the recorder.

Both the 3576H and the 2160 do an amazing job of upscaling thru the HDMI, IMHO. I always thought my old HDRW720p looked nice thru the 480p component outputs to the TV. These two newer recorders are a level above my old 720p in PQ.
post #50 of 3505
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I can answer part of this. On both the 2160 and the 3576, I personally thought the ATSC picture was too dark. I'm running mine HDMI to the TV. In HDMI, you can set the RGB range to "Normal" or "Enhanced". I use Enhanced. It actually makes the OTA channels via the ATSC look even darker, but on E1 where I have my directv hooked, "Enhanced" actually gives a lot better black levels in the picture of HD programs being fed to the recorder.

Have you tried YCbCr yet... it's digital Component? RGB Range has no effect on that and it has helped others brighten their pics... depends on your system.

Do the remotes operate each unit w/o affecting the other?
post #51 of 3505
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Several people have or want multiple units, so you've got the perfect setup to see if the 3576 and 2160 remotes are unit-specific. That is, people don't want one remote to operate both units in close proximity. You might have already checked this out?

Great news! These units are in different rooms, I took both remotes to each room. Only that units remote will control it. I tried Numerous buttons, Power On, Setup, Display, Channel Up/Down and only the specific units remote will control it. As far as I can see, you could have both units sitting side by side and neither remote would interfere with the opposite unit.
post #52 of 3505
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Have you tried YCbCr yet? RGB Range has no effect on that and it has helped others brighten their pics... depends on your system.

Do the remotes operate each unit w/o affecting the other?

Yes, I honestly could not see any difference in mine
post #53 of 3505
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Great news! These units are in different rooms, I took both remotes to each room. Only that units remote will control it. I tried Numerous buttons, Power On, Setup, Display, Channel Up/Down and only the specific units remote will control it. As far as I can see, you could have both units sitting side by side and neither remote would interfere with the opposite unit.

That is GREAT news. Thanks for the report!
post #54 of 3505
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Yes, I honestly could not see any difference in mine

Too bad... some TV's are not YCbCr compatible so maybe that's what you've got?

Samsung has a YCbCr setting, but it also auto-converts to YCbCr if fed that signal... one user found he got a worse pic when turning his Samsung's YCbCr on, so strange and diff. things in all systems, I guess.
post #55 of 3505
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Too bad... some TV's are not YCbCr compatible so maybe that's what you've got?

Samsung has a YCbCr setting, but it also auto-converts to YCbCr if fed that signal... one user found he got a worse pic when turning his Samsung's YCbCr on, so strange and diff. things in all systems, I guess.

My tv is the Sony 60a2020, It should be YCbCr compatible. It does have 3 component inputs and 2 HDMI's. Maybe I need to try it again and pay closer attention this time. When I was setting them up, I kind of flew thru everything. I did hook these units up HDMI and Component at the same time on different inputs of my TV. The HDMI outperformed the Component pretty noticeably.
post #56 of 3505
Ok, on the 2160, it will record CC via OTA and display it again on playback thru the HDMI. However, I could not get Directv(on E1) nor my Sony 1080p HDTV to display CC with a HDMI connect. I tried the Directv on input 7 directly. The receiver runs HDMI to the TV, no CC. Cant record what isnt there. I have not tried component yet. I also tried turning on my sonys Tv's CC and it only work my Local OTA/ATSC tuner input. So, if you are recording OTA via the ATSC tuner on the 2160, it will record the CC and play it back. However, it appears that all other sources linked with HDMI that I currently have "will not pass CC digital nor analog" Sorry I couldnt report more favorable results. Maybe its just my equipment, might work for someone else.
post #57 of 3505
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My tv is the Sony 60a2020, It should be YCbCr compatible. It does have 3 component inputs and 2 HDMI's. Maybe I need to try it again and pay closer attention this time. When I was setting them up, I kind of flew thru everything. I did hook these units up HDMI and Component at the same time on different inputs of my TV. The HDMI outperformed the Component pretty noticeably.

Since your TV is YCbCr compatible, try a commercial DVD/movie cuz they're produced with digital Component video (YCbCr), so theoretically, you'll be sending a pure digital source to a digital TV over a digital cable (HDMI)... brilliant idea... wonder who thought of that!

I'm not sure of your TV but my 1080p LCD shows a brief display on selecting the HDMI input that shows what type of signal it's receiving, so I can see "YCbCr" briefly to prove I'm getting it accepted by the TV.
post #58 of 3505
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As far as I can see, you could have both units sitting side by side and neither remote would interfere with the opposite unit.

When you get a chance, could you dub something in one machine and see if the other will finalize it (Disc Edit menu)?

MAKE SURE the unit you use to Finalize doesn't have a timer rec program due to start within the next hour... "Finalize" option won't be available (it'll be greyed out) if within 1-hour of a timer start.
post #59 of 3505
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When you get a chance, could you dub something in one machine and see if the other will finalize it (Disc Edit menu)?

MAKE SURE the unit you use to Finalize doesn't have a timer rec program due to start within the next hour... "Finalize" option won't be available (it'll be greyed out) if within 1-hour of a timer start.

Yeah, it may be a couple of days before I get around to it but when I get a chance, I'll dub something on both recorders then try to finalize each disk in the opposite machine
post #60 of 3505
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I can answer part of this. On both the 2160 and the 3576, I personally thought the ATSC picture was too dark.

So are you saying then that the PQ of both units is basically the same? Even other than the darkness?
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