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post #751 of 1103
For what it's worth, Sound & Vision just posted a review of the BD55:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blu...sc-player.html
post #752 of 1103
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Originally Posted by dml1333 View Post

Since your test with the Onkyo/NEC didn't work, I would be cautious about other options and be sure to either test in the store or buy where you can easily return components. An HDMI splitter might just have similar problems (I'm guessing it was HDCP hand-shake issues) that the Onkyo/NEC had. On the other hand a different brand of receiver might work. One other thought is that the problem could have been a bad or low-quality HDMI cable? BTW, I assume that the BD30 straight to your NEC worked fine.

I tried to check your Marantz 7004, but only see a 7400 receiver, that does indeed have 7.1 analog inputs. So if you still like it, you could go with the Panny BD55 BluRay, use the HDMI directly to your projector, and use the analog out to your Marantz and get all the new codecs..... Just a thought.

You maybe right too about my hdmi cable too. I don't remember now what brand it is but the signal on the screen stated something like move closer which would indicate a poor signal as opposed to handshake problem. It is a 7400, I was just quoting from memory. Oh well, the Onkyo 705 and the HD 30 went back today.

I think for now, the best approach is to stick with the 55 hold off on a new AVR purchase and wait until budget allows for a new projector and AVR.
post #753 of 1103
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

Yeah, I was a bit perplexed by this when I read Matthew's review. I triple-checked my times on the POTC:COPB disc before publishing the review.

I just checked the DB55's loading performance on Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and I'm getting about the same times I got from POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl.

With the player already powered up, placing the disc in the tray and pressing play takes around 49 seconds to get to the Disney logo (the first real screen on the disc after the spinning key which represents loading). With the unit powered OFF, it takes about 58 seconds to power on and get to that Disney logo.

These times are comparable to the PS3 (certainly within 10 seconds).

Not sure where Matthew was getting his loading times but they're definitely different from what I'm seeing.

Regards,

-Chris
post #754 of 1103
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Originally Posted by Fatman513 View Post

For what it's worth, Sound & Vision just posted a review of the BD55:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blu...sc-player.html

Nice to see another very positive review of this player, especially re. decoding of lossless codecs and DVD upconversion. Sounds like a winner...
post #755 of 1103
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

Actually I didn't specifically test 6.1 analog out and I don't know if the BD55 supports it.

FWIW, it looks like the BD55 does not support a 6.1-channel analog output configuration. If you turn off one of the rear speakers in the configuration screen, it turns off both.

Again, this does not apply to the HDMI output which will happily pass along a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1-channel soundtrack to your receiver or processor, only the analog multi-channel output. I doubt this will be an issue to anyone, but it's worth noting.

Regards,

-Chris
post #756 of 1103
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

FWIW, it looks like the BD55 does not support a 6.1-channel analog output configuration. If you turn off one of the rear speakers in the configuration screen, it turns off both.

Again, this does not apply to the HDMI output which will happily pass along a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1-channel soundtrack to your receiver or processor, only the analog multi-channel output. I doubt this will be an issue to anyone, but it's worth noting.

Regards,

-Chris

Well crap... it's an issue with me. As I have 6.1 setup w/ no HDMI on the receiver. Maybe a firmware update will take care of this problem. Any chance a simple cable could mix the two channels together?
post #757 of 1103
the new review seems to imply that the LFE through the 55's analog outputs is bass shy and that HDMI is really the ONLY way to go to customize the bass channel on this unit?
i have a chance to get an amp with 5.1 inputs but this may kill it for me. I will probably go ahead and get a new amp with HDMI in the future.
In my case house trembling bass is a must and a weak LFE won't cut it. Now im thinking about getting the 35 instead.
post #758 of 1103
I can't think of a reason to get a 55 and pay $100 more for it over a 35. I have all HDMI connections. Thoughts?
post #759 of 1103
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Originally Posted by sourbeef View Post

I can't think of a reason to get a 55 and pay $100 more for it over a 35. I have all HDMI connections. Thoughts?

If you don't need the analogs then go with the 35.
post #760 of 1103
i am going to get the bd55 i can use this to watch reg dvd's and stuff with it.
post #761 of 1103
What kind of stuff?
post #762 of 1103
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Originally Posted by chevy01xtreme View Post

i am going to get the bd55 i can use this to watch reg dvd's and stuff with it.

you can do that with the 35 for $100 cheaper.
post #763 of 1103
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

What kind of stuff?


Not sure I want to know
post #764 of 1103
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Not sure I want to know

:lol:

i meant just dvd's from renting from the store .. i cant see having two players..
post #765 of 1103
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Originally Posted by matrixj3 View Post

the new review seems to imply that the LFE through the 55's analog outputs is bass shy and that HDMI is really the ONLY way to go to customize the bass channel on this unit?
i have a chance to get an amp with 5.1 inputs but this may kill it for me. I will probably go ahead and get a new amp with HDMI in the future.
In my case house trembling bass is a must and a weak LFE won't cut it. Now im thinking about getting the 35 instead.

It's standard for the LFE to be provided by the decoder at -10 db, and then boosted later in the chain, such as at the amp or the speaker itself, which has its own amplifier. (The -10 db cut in the LFE is done to prevent overloading of the inputs later on.)

This is apparently a situation where the reviewer had previously made the +10 db adjustment in his amp for the LFE, and didn't realize that like most surround amps, his amp doesn't put the analog inputs through the delay processing, LFE boost and bass management (by specifying whether particular speakers are large or small) applied - in the digital domain - to the digital inputs. To apply that processing to the analog inputs would require converting them to digital and then back again for amplification. That's why DVD and Blu-ray players with analog outputs typically provide for speaker balancing, delay programming, and bass management in the player.

It would be nice if the BD55 provided for a +10db LFE boost like some DVD players do, but since it doesn't, the solution is simple - don't apply the +10db LFE boost at the amplifier or any of the other sources: apply it at the subwoofer instead. That way it will be applied equally to all sources, digital and analog.

-Phil
post #766 of 1103
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Originally Posted by matrixj3 View Post

the new review seems to imply that the LFE through the 55's analog outputs is bass shy and that HDMI is really the ONLY way to go to customize the bass channel on this unit?

Hi,

This portion of the review was weak in not fully explaining a situation which is common to many devices connected via analog audio. The reviewer should have explicitly stated that it is probably not due to a problem with the player, and may be addressed by receivers or preamps with LFE Level adjustment features.

Please read the first posting in this thread:

LFE, subwoofers and interconnects explained

Please pay particular attention to the section entitled "SW analogue output from players".

Larry
post #767 of 1103
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Originally Posted by matrixj3 View Post

the new review seems to imply that the LFE through the 55's analog outputs is bass shy and that HDMI is really the ONLY way to go to customize the bass channel on this unit?

While it's hard to believe from a professional reviewer, I get the impression that he doesn't know about the need to boost LFE in his receiver when using analog. LFE is recorded 10db lower than the other channels to provide headroom for big bangs without the audio clipping. With digital transmission, LFE is boosted automatically by the receiver. With analog, it is not, and it's up to the user to add the boost. The reviewer talks about being unable to adjust subwoofer output in the player. But, that's not the proper place to bring up the sub. It's supposed to be boosted in the AVR right before amplification. I strongly suspect that wasn't done.

Bottom line: I'd ignore that part of the review unless others report a similar problem. The reviews in cnet and Big Picture Big Sound didn't mention a problem with bass.
post #768 of 1103
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

It would be nice if the BD55 provided for a +10db LFE boost like some DVD players do, but since it doesn't, the solution is simple - don't apply the +10db LFE boost at the amplifier or any of the other sources: apply it at the subwoofer instead. That way it will be applied equally to all sources, digital and analog.

Sorry, Phil. But, that's not good advice here. The whole point of recording LFE -10db is to prevent clipping the audio. If you boost it too early, then you've defeated the purpose of recording it low in the first place.

The software in AVRs takes are care of the boost for digital transmission. LFE in a PCM track is -10db and the AVR boosts it. That doesn't happen with analog. Many receivers have an option for boosting the SW output when using analog. Do the boost there and it doesn't affect your properly calibrated digital outputs. If you raise the volume on the sub, you'll get good performance from the analog material. But, your digital sources will be overdriven.
post #769 of 1103
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Sorry, Phil. But, that's not good advice here. The whole point of recording LFE -10db is to prevent clipping the audio. If you boost it too early, then you've defeated the purpose of recording it low in the first place.

The software in AVRs takes are care of the boost for digital transmission. LFE in a PCM track is -10db and the AVR boosts it. That doesn't happen with analog. Many receivers have an option for boosting the SW output when using analog. Do the boost there and it doesn't affect your properly calibrated digital outputs. If you raise the volume on the sub, you'll get good performance from the analog material. But, your digital sources will be overdriven.

True. However, some receivers, like my Arcam, allow you to drop the sub on stereo inputs (say for 2 channel music with a sub) to compensate.
post #770 of 1103
If you are like me and depend upon a Logitech Remote to control the HT process, then this reply email I got from them today matters to you.

When I went to their database and attempted to add the BD55, the final step was a confirmation that a similar device the BD50 was substituted. So my email to them was questioning when the actual BD55 would be there. Surprising, I got this reply.

The Harmony database is a client run database, which means that we will not get any new codes/commands in the database, unless one of our clients, like your self, is adding the codes to the database. Eventualy, we will get the codes, but because the database is client run, we have no way of giving you a timeline for the new codes.

I already added the substituted device to my database and plan on doing that several more times until I finally get the real deal. Then I can delete the pretenders.
post #771 of 1103
I likely won't bother... I'll bet a big bucket of popcorn that the codes are identical to the BD30 (which I have) and BD50.

I'm guessing you've just updated the profile with all you need.
post #772 of 1103
Is there really no way to adjust the subwoofer level in the player, though? Time to dig up that manual PDF.
post #773 of 1103
Thread Starter 
The DMP-BD50 also has no test tone to the sub. The manual states, "No signal is output for the subwoofer. To adjust its volume, play
something, then return to this screen to adjust to suit your taste."
I see no reason why the BD55 will not work the same. Just put in a test disc and set the sub volume that way. It may even be more accurate.

Perhaps the reviewer did not do this and the sub volume was set too low by default. Just a guess.
post #774 of 1103
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Originally Posted by Charlie Tango View Post

The DMP-BD50 also has no test tone to the sub. The manual states, "No signal is output for the subwoofer. To adjust its volume, play
something, then return to this screen to adjust to suit your taste."
I see no reason why the BD55 will not work the same. Just put in a test disc and set the sub volume that way. It may even be more accurate.

Perhaps the reviewer did not do this and the sub volume was set too low by default. Just a guess.

It's just kind of a pain. It means I have to set it up via AVIA and adjust the actual subwoofer volume. If I change it, then I have to readjust the digital level so that my other equipment will be correct again. And hope it's not so radical an adjustment that the digital adjustment on the receiver can't get it back where it should be.

Maybe I'll hear from some people to see what kind of adjustment they had to make. The Sony 550 DOES have the SW test tone and adustment available.

Also does speaker adjustment by distance instead of time, making you not have to look at a chart. Why must Panasonic make it more difficult?

Comments have surprised me that the Sony supposedly has a better power supply and analog section, on paper anyway, but I still want to see a video showdown. My gut feeling is the Panasonic will have the edge there, but it's sounding like the Sony might be a bit more user-friendly.

And I'm sure you're right about the reviewer.
post #775 of 1103
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Originally Posted by TekWorm View Post

I likely won't bother... I'll bet a big bucket of popcorn that the codes are identical to the BD30 (which I have) and BD50.

Not just the codes. The remote itself for the BD55 is identical to the one shipped with the BD50.

-CB
post #776 of 1103
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Originally Posted by solo88 View Post

Comments have surprised me that the Sony supposedly has a better power supply and analog section, on paper anyway, but I still want to see a video showdown. My gut feeling is the Panasonic will have the edge there, but it's sounding like the Sony might be a bit more user-friendly.

This is why I have both the 550 and 55 on preorder. Whichever one loses gets cancelled. The Sony was $80 cheaper than the Panny ($319 vs. $399), so I hope the Sony wins.
post #777 of 1103
Please allow me to interrupt the intelligent conversation with a couple of basic questions. I have a BD-55 on order with Amazon & want to make sure I have necessary wiring ready to go.

I will be using a non-HDMI receiver so I realize that I need a set of 6 component audio cables from the BD player to my receiver (5.1 set-up). The display is a Pioneer Elite 1130 plasma (720p) with an HDMI media box (1.1 HDMI, I believe if that matters). Should I use a bundled set of 3 component video cables from the BD player to the media box or an HDMI cable?
post #778 of 1103
Is an HDMI 1.3 receiver necessary to receive DTS-HDMA decoded signals or will a HDMI 1.1 receiver work as well? Is 1.3 even an issue with the audio part of BD? I know it's required for Deep Color and things like that.
post #779 of 1103
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

Not just the codes. The remote itself for the BD55 is identical to the one shipped with the BD50.

-CB

There ya' go... same remote as my BD30, as well.
No sense, in these days of rising expenses, for them to tool-up & change something that works, for the sake of change.

Likewise, My 2nd & 3rd Gen. Tosh's used the same codes & remotes... so all things considered, I thought it a fair assumption.

Thanks, Chris..
post #780 of 1103
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

Please allow me to interrupt the intelligent conversation with a couple of basic questions. I have a BD-55 on order with Amazon & want to make sure I have necessary wiring ready to go.

I will be using a non-HDMI receiver so I realize that I need a set of 6 component audio cables from the BD player to my receiver (5.1 set-up). The display is a Pioneer Elite 1130 plasma (720p) with an HDMI media box (1.1 HDMI, I believe if that matters). Should I use a bundled set of 3 component video cables from the BD player to the media box or an HDMI cable?

Either would work, but you should use an HDMI. One cable instead of 3, and only HDMI will allow upsampling of DVD content.
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